Jesus & the Torah

[Murad]

I have studied the bible for over 40 years. ....Jesus fulfilled all the law and all prophecies about Him in the Spirit.

Question for debate:
1. Did Jesus fulfill all the prophesy in the Torah like many Christians claim?

[Cathar1950]

Then the question remains why use son, when you mean son-in-law?

I agree that it would have been much clearer if he said son-in-law, but since, by process of elimination, Eli must be his father-in-law, I'm not really that bent out of shape as to why he did or did not choose to use a certain word.

Other than the fact that it otherwise would contradict Matthew, what is the evidence that Luke didn't say exactly what he meant. What is the evidence it is Mary rather than Joseph? Can you show me something that isn't out of context and vague?

And, show me how Mary's genealogy would be relevant to begin with? According to Jewish law, someone of the 'Seed of David' would go specifically from the male line. The house someone is in does not follow the female line, or the line of the adopted father, but rather the house of the biological father.

The author of Mark seems to make an apology for Jesus not being of the line of David and saw Jewish ideas of the Messiah being from the line of David unnecessary. After all God can pick anyone he wants to pick as he picks younger brother over older, of course maybe the older brother was sacrificed and it is a rationalization.
Some saw themselves of the line of David.


http://www.csun.edu/~hcfll004/euseb_ch.html

III.11: After the martyrdom of JAMES and the capture of Jerusalem which instantly followed, there is a firm tradition that those of the apostles and disciples of the Lord who were still alive assembled from all parts together with those who, humanly speaking, were kinsmen of the Lord--for most of them were still living. Then they all discussed together whom they should choose as a fit person to succeed James, and voted unanimously that SIMEON, son of the Cleophas mentioned in the gospel narrative (John 19:25) was a fit person to occupy the throne of the Jerusalem church. He was, so it is said, a cousin of the Saviour, for Hegesippus tells us that Cleophas was Joseph's brother.


III.19: The [Emperor Domitian] ordered the execution of all who were of David's line, and there is an old and firm tradition that a group of heretics accused the descendants of Jude--the brother, humanly speaking, of the Saviour--on the ground that they were of David's line and related to Christ himself. HEGESIPPUS states:

And there still survived of the Lord's family the grandsons of JUDE, who was said to be his brother, humanly speaking. These were informed against as being of David's line, and brought by the evocatus before Domitian Caesar, who was as afraid of the advent of Christ as Herod had been. Domitian asked them if they were descended from David, and they admitted it. Then he asked them what property they owned and what funds they had at their disposal. They replied that they had only 9,000 denarii between them, half belonging to each. This they said was not available in cash, but was the estimated value of only 25 acres of land, from which they raised the money to pay their taxes and the funds to support themselves by their own toil...

On hearing this, Domitian found no fault with them, but despising them as beneath his notice let them go free and issued orders terminating the persecution of the church. On their release they became leaders of the churches, both because they had borne testimony and because they were of the Lord's family. And thanks to the establishment of peace they lived on into Trajan's time (98-117).