Doctrine of God

B Bob · Post by **B Bob** » Mon Sep 12, 2016 12:58 pm

Is God only an invisible Spirit or is He also flesh (human)?

marco · Post by **marco** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:03 pm

B Bob wrote:

To be saved, we only need to believe what the word of God says and obey it with Faith.

We are told in parable about the foolish virgins who didn't think ahead. When someone comes to our door and declares they are from some authority, we prudently ask for proof. Similarly when people say they are reporting God's words, we ask for proof. There is none. It would be silly of God to punish people for being prudent, else why present us with a brain?

B Bob · Post by **B Bob** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:05 pm

[Replying to post 81 by marco]

Have you read my posts. I have offered tons of proof through the support of the scriptures.

B Bob · Post by **B Bob** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:31 pm

[Replying to post 81 by marco]

Meanwhile, Here is the very first and very basic proof provided in the scriptures:

Gen 2:16 - Comment: If Adam and Eve believed and obeyed God they would have lived forever (be saved). However, the did not believe God because they disobeyed Him.

The LORD God commanded the man, saying, â€œFrom any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.â€�

Gen 1:6-7 - When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. 7Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.

marco · Post by **marco** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:35 pm

B Bob wrote: [Replying to post 81 by marco]

Have you read my posts. I have offered tons of proof through the support of the scriptures.

I didn't for a moment take you as being God. Your interpretations, with the greatest respect, may be ingenious. They are simply readings. There is nothing wrong with presenting bits from Scripture and giving your rough idea of how they can be understood. One can do exactly the same with the Koran - and billions have done so - with the conclusion that God himself has dictated the book.

When one reads in the OT instructions, purportedly from God, that people should slaughter and kill, or - as with Abraham - a father should murder his son to show his devotion and servility to God, we have a duty, as rational beings, to ask identification, for such instructions run counter to civilised standards.

If we start with the view that our naked faith is correct and we are prepared to do ANYTHING our God asks, we should completely understand why some young men decapitate other human beings today. And as the French say: "Tout comprendre c'est tout pardonner."

marco · Post by **marco** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:41 pm

B Bob wrote: [Replying to post 81 by marco]

Meanwhile, Here is the very first and very basic proof provided in the scriptures:

Gen 2:16 - Comment: If Adam and Eve believed and obeyed God they would have lived forever (be saved). However, the did not believe God because they disobeyed Him.

The LORD God commanded the man, saying, â€œFrom any tree of the garden you may eat freely; 17but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it you will surely die.â€�

Gen 1:6-7 - When the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was desirable to make one wise, she took from its fruit and ate; and she gave also to her husband with her, and he ate. 7Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves loin coverings.

You do understand that fruit and tree and garden, perhaps, are figurative. The clue is that after eating fruit they "realised they were naked." Were this a literal realisation then God produced idiots. The actual meaning of the metaphor is open to debate, so it provides no evidence of anything. The consequence of a metaphor is another metaphor, not a practicality.

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 7:57 pm

B Bob wrote: [Replying to Checkpoint]

Be specific otherwise how can we debate.

We can debate if we keep to what we are debating.

Your question about specifics moved to another aspect.

Hebrews 4 is specific on that aspect. Some of your application is not stated there.

What Hebrews 4 says I say, what it does not say I do not say.

B Bob · Post by **B Bob** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:22 pm

[Replying to post 86 by Checkpoint]

ridiculous and not serious

Checkpoint · Post by **Checkpoint** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 8:56 pm

B Bob wrote: [Replying to post 86 by Checkpoint]

ridiculous and not serious

My post was neither of those.

It was considered and to the point that was raised by you, God's rest.

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:26 pm

B Bob wrote: [Replying to post 28 by onewithhim]

I am new at posting and I might be confused to who said it, but it was not me

It was. This is what you said in your post #16:

"Strawman arguments are useless to consider: such as God did not make man exactly like him."

YOU posted it.

onewithhim · Post by **onewithhim** » Tue Sep 13, 2016 10:35 pm

B Bob wrote: [Replying to post 33 by 2timothy316]

Again, You are arguing your belief on everything except the scriptures. Also, I am not deleting the word image, I am only stating the obvious. God must also be spirt and flesh because we are spirt and flesh (see Gen 1:26-27. The word "image" doesn't change Gen 1:26-27 into something other than we must be made like God in His image and according to His likeness. No analogy can take place of the the scriptures and no analogy can argue against the scriptures. Scriptures must interpret scriptures. I believe you shouls know this - see 2 Tim 3:16.

Now, I have argue my views strictly by what the word of God says. I am open to other views if they can support them with scripture. Anything else is just empty noise in the air.

No, B Bob, YOU are skirting around the scriptures. 2timothy316 has explained to you what the scriptures are saying. So have tigger and myself. You won't even answer questions directed to you. I've asked several times for you to respond to my posts and you haven't yet. I explained to you HOW we are flesh and "spirit," and it's not that we have some separate, conscious ethereal mini-me inside that goes out of us when we die. "Spirit" is simply THE BREATH OF LIFE. (Genesis 2:7) No consciousness. And God cannot be flesh because flesh cannot survive in the spirit realm (I Corinthians 15:50); also, a man of flesh could not create the entire universe. Conversely, God is so magnificent that the earth can't contain him! (I Kings 8:27)

All backed up by scripture, yet you won't bother to pay any attention.

Everything HAS been supported by scriptures. It's a shame you don't bother to read the posts.

Arguing with someone who does not give any thought to the other side's viewpoint, and doesn't even read their posts, is futile. I'm out.

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