faroukfarouk wrote:
Peaceful greetings to all.
Charles
First.
Your refusal in accepting an error on your part, which is proven without any reasonable doubt, suggest who you really are and your agenda so far as the truth is concerned.You can twist and mince words but the truth will eventually prevail.
This is nonsense, of course. If it pleases you, then
I shall admit that I erred when I first responded by not SPECIFYING that I “had no argument� with ONLY the material that you posted FROM OTHER SOURCES. That seems rather silly, since I was very quick to point out, repeatedly and unequivocally, that I DID have an argument with your CONCLUSIONS -- and I DID specify those, and argued against them directly. You keep harping on this, as if you’re going to somehow prove that I said things that I did not say and in fact have argued against, without bothering to address my actual arguments -- as if you can make them all magically disappear that way.
Please explicate “who I really am� and what “my agenda� is. You make a lot of accusations in this post; please explain what you mean and give your evidence for them.
Second
Your statement.
“Sorry, but that’s no better. “Most blacks are criminals� is no better than “all blacks are criminals.��
This is a racist remark on blacks.Stop being a racist we are discussing Jews And not blacks.(shame on you).
That was what is called an “analogy.� Do you know what an “analogy� is?
You said, quote, “...all Jews have the same concern when it comes to questioning their beliefs are concerned.� I called you on that since it was an obvious appeal to stereotype; and you APOLOGIZED and corrected it to “MOST Jews.�
I am pointing out that that is no better. That’s all. Pretending that I was seriously making either of those statements about blacks is fatuous and obviously false.
Third
Your statement
“Perhaps you should get used to your claims and pronouncements being ignored as being of no importance. To give an obvious analogy, why would a Muslim accept the opinion of a non-Muslim about the nature of Islam and what “Muslim� means as definitive and correct over the teachings and traditions of his own religion? If I were to begin making pronouncements about Islam and the character and teachings of Muslims, would you bow down to me and accept them?�
This thread has nothing to discuss on Muslims,non-muslims,Islam or any other religion.The discussion is on ARE JEWS A RACE?Stick to the topic and stop those deviatiting tactics.If you wish to discuss other religions then you most welcome to discuss it in the apporiate thread.Who knows you will meet your match.
Again, you are apparently unfamiliar with the concept of “analogy.� Why would Jews accept the pronouncement of a non-Jew about the Jewish religion? Do Muslims accept the pronouncements of non-Muslims about Islam? It’s a perfectly proper, sensible and on-point question.
If you want to discuss the question, “ARE JEWS A RACE?� then do so. I have posted at least half a dozen arguments showing, FROM YOUR OWN POSTS, that we are NOT a “race.� You have not yet answered any of them.
Fourth
Your statement
“Rather confidently spoken from one who admits that he is unfamiliar with the English language�.
That is a lie.I never said I am unfamiliar with the English language.You made an assumption that English was not my first language.My reply was its not my language and weather you like it or not thats a true fact.You don’t have to speak or write a particular language for it to become your first language.
My apologies. But the fact is, besides apparently not knowing what an "analogy" is, you have made several statements showing that you do not understand, or else deny, the commonly accepted meanings of the words “Jew� and “Jewish� in English. Either you don’t really understand the language, or you are trying to “twist and mince words� and give that word a different meaning than the one it clearly has now. I thought it more civil to attribute that to unfamiliarity with the language rather than to deliberate deception.
Fifth
Your statement
“Mindreading again. Let me warn YOU: I have very little patience for that sort of thing�.
What is the problem?Sounds like a threat or more like the heat is getting intense.
You are claiming to know the motivations for what I am posting here: “...you want to evade the question of weather Jews are a Race,� and similar claims. How else would you know what is in my mind, if you are not claiming to be able to read it?
Further, how is that a “threat�? When I say, “I have very little patience for that sort of thing,� what is it exactly that you think I am “threatening�? My only meaning is that I shall call out those ludicrous claims where they occur, and I will not take them seriously. What ELSE have you magically read in my mind and think I am “threatening� to do?
There is no “heat.� You haven’t answered a single one of my arguments yet; you’ve only posted accusations and phony claims about my “agenda� and tried to prove that I’ve said things which I clearly had no intention of saying.
Six
Your statement
“I’d be very interested to see YOUR explanation of the Talmud�
I accept that challenge but not in this thread.Will open a new topic by next month.(God Willing)
I can’t wait. Truly. I’m sure it will be VERY illuminating for all of us.
Finally
I am shocked and surprised that the moderators of this forum have not taken you to task.
The moderators rarely take action until a post is reported. Feel free. You’ll find a small exclamation point in the upper right corner of all my posts. Click on that, specify a reason for reporting my post, then explain why you think my post is against the rules.
Your uncivil, disrespectful and provoking behavior is hampering me from posting on the subject matter.If you continue with such behavior then I will have no alternative but to put you on my ignore list.
Please stop those childish mudslinging so that I can concentrate with the subject Are Jews a Race?
Please post any quotes of my words which you find to be “uncivil, disrespectful and provoking� or “childish mudslinging.� You have made an accusation; let's see your evidence for it.
I have politely answered all your questions, and in the process showed how and why Jews are NOT a race from the material that you yourself have posted. I am not “hampering� you from posting anything you like -- like, for instance, some actual arguments to counter my own -- which we have not yet seen -- as opposed to picking and choosing a few lines in my posts which you then try to use to attack me and thus avoid doing so.
Back to the subject.
Are the words Jewish Religion be interrelated?
Your answer to this question lies in the Hebrew Bible.
Judaism is a religion and not a nationality.
Jew or Jewish is a nationality and can never be a religion.
Then why is “Judaism� universally defined as “the Jewish religion� or “the religion of Jews�?
How can “Jew� be a “nationality� when there are Jews who are citizens of virtually every nation on Earth?
And, yet AGAIN --
Is it possible to change one’s “race�? If so, how? If not, how can Jews be a “race� when converts are accepted as being as fully Jewish as any born Jew, and have been since the very beginning? I have asked this question several times now, and you have not yet even acknowledged that it has been asked, let alone answered it.
Will continue this subject later.
If you can ever stop attacking me and trying to prove that I’ve said things that I clearly have never said, perhaps we can. I look forward to it -- if you ever get around to actually answering my arguments.