The Gay Denomination?

[99percentatheism]

The Gay Denomination.

For those people that desire same gender sexual behavior or thoughts, AND that claim to be a Christian and claim that their beliefs and theology can fit the New Testament witness, instead of waging an endless, fruitless and vicious war on other Christians - that will NEVER accept their gay doctrines and dogmas . . ., - why won't they just declare a new and alternative denomination, just like Watch Tower theological adherants and Mormons?

Why the need to join forces with anti-Christian and secularist movements to attack "Bible believing" Christians?

Afterall, in referencing the New Testament, there is no justifiable comparison of sex acts to being a slave (slavery), or the charge of bigotry and hatefulness in holding that marriage is a man and a woman.

Why not just start an "Out and Proud" Gay Denomination?

[Allahakbar]

KCKID
99percent, I'm looking forward to your response regarding Allahakbar's nicely constructed post (above) and my previous question that asked: Is one's sexuality (i.e. homosexuality) a salvation issue?

KID, I'm glad you found another friend.

But his use of the lower case is a common and ubiquitous insult technique used by his kind.

Who is being insulted 99? The god of english grammar? Oh well I guess she'll have to get over it.

[Allahakbar]

More theology and sensible teachings on Christian life:

I left you in Crete, so that you could put in order the things that still needed doing and appoint church elders in every town. Remember my instructions: an elder must be without fault; he must have only one wife, and his children must be believers and not have the reputation of being wild or disobedient.

For since a church leader is in charge of God's work, he should be without fault. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered, or a drunkard or violent or greedy for money. He must be hospitable and love what is good. He must be self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the message which can be trusted and which agrees with the doctrine. In this way he will be able to encourage others with the true teaching and also to show the error of those who are opposed to it.

- Paul to a young Christian named Titus

Crete has an interesting history of being the place where pederasty (pederasty is homosexual) may have been invented. Not homosexuality in general, just a part of its history.

And Paul sent a Christian missionary to Crete.

Human homosexuality has existed for at least 100,000yrs. You need to get out a bit more, maybe

[99percentatheism]

KCKID
99percent, I'm looking forward to your response regarding Allahakbar's nicely constructed post (above) and my previous question that asked: Is one's sexuality (i.e. homosexuality) a salvation issue?

KID, I'm glad you found another friend.

But his use of the lower case is a common and ubiquitous insult technique used by his kind.

Who is being insulted 99? The god of english grammar? Oh well I guess she'll have to get over it.

Interesting that you admit that it is a tactic of insult.

It is so common in you guys.

Now, if you could show why homosexuals shouldn't invent their own religion, or at least if they want to purport to identify as Christians, should have the decency to do it in their own shops.

[99percentatheism]

More theology and sensible teachings on Christian life:

I left you in Crete, so that you could put in order the things that still needed doing and appoint church elders in every town. Remember my instructions: an elder must be without fault; he must have only one wife, and his children must be believers and not have the reputation of being wild or disobedient.

For since a church leader is in charge of God's work, he should be without fault. He must not be arrogant or quick-tempered, or a drunkard or violent or greedy for money. He must be hospitable and love what is good. He must be self-controlled, upright, holy, and disciplined. He must hold firmly to the message which can be trusted and which agrees with the doctrine. In this way he will be able to encourage others with the true teaching and also to show the error of those who are opposed to it.

- Paul to a young Christian named Titus

Crete has an interesting history of being the place where pederasty (pederasty is homosexual) may have been invented. Not homosexuality in general, just a part of its history.

And Paul sent a Christian missionary to Crete.

Human homosexuality has existed for at least 100,000yrs.

Have any proof of that?

You need to get out a bit more, maybe

You need to study this thread before taking that position.

And, depravity and debauchery have been around for a very, very, very, long time as well.

Sin is still sin no matter its tenure.

[99percentatheism]

allahakbar

Have you ever read the New Testament?

This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.

If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.

1 John

Now in liberal and progressive theology and their religions and denominations, it is demanded that homosexual behavior is not a sin.

And maybe Paul wrote something that may come to pass all too soon. As we become more and more threatened and harrassed by the LGBT goals for their dominance of society, including plying their wares and ways into and onto The Church:

Would it not be better for you to be wronged? Would it not be better for you to be robbed? Instead, you yourselves wrong one another and rob one another, even other believers! Surely you know that the wicked will not possess God's Kingdom. Do not fool yourselves; people who are immoral or who worship idols or are adulterers or homosexual perverts or who steal or are greedy or are drunkards or who slander others or are thieves"none of these will possess God's Kingdom. Some of you were like that. But you have been purified from sin;

- Paul to Christians in Corinth

But Jesus may indeed have been speaking to the 21st century Church when this was quoted of Him 20 centuries ago:

A man sowed good seed in his field. One night, when everyone was asleep, an enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat and went away.

When the plants grew and the heads of grain began to form, then the weeds showed up.

The man's servants came to him and said, Sir, it was good seed you sowed in your field; where did the weeds come from?

It was some enemy who did this, he answered. Do you want us to go and pull up the weeds? they asked him.

No, he answered, because as you gather the weeds you might pull up some of the wheat along with them. Let the wheat and the weeds both grow together until harvest. Then I will tell the harvest workers to pull up the weeds first, tie them in bundles and burn them, and then to gather in the wheat and put it in my barn.

How very accurate a parable can be.

[99percentatheism]

Why the need for a specifically 'Gay Church'? Below is a list of the most recently compiled "Gay Friendly" Churches in Australia.

WELCOMING GAY FRIENDLY CHURCHES IN AUSTRALIA

Integrity Adelaide. Adelaide. Anglican
Ashfield Parish Mission. Ashfield. Uniting Church
Burdekin Uniting Church. Ayr QLD. Uniting Church
Balmain Uniting Church. Balmain. Uniting Church
Blackwood Uniting Church. Blackwood, Adelaide. Uniting Church
Bondi Beach, Chapel By The Sea. Bondi Beach. Uniting Church
St. Johns Anglican Cathedral. Brisbane, QLD. Anglican
MCC Brisbane. Brisbane, QLD. MCC
New Way Community Chapel. Brisbane, QLD. Non-denominational
Brunswick Baptist Church. Brunswick. Baptist
Canberra Baptist Church. Canberra City. Baptist
Canberra City Uniting Church. Canberra City. Uniting Church
Church of the Trinity. Clarence Park. Uniting Church
Community Church of Saint Mark. Clifton Hill. Baptist
St. James Congregation. Curtin, Canberra. Uniting Church
Christ Church Anglican Cathedral. Darwin. Anglican
United Ecumenical Catholic Church. Dundas Valley. Ecumenical Catholic Church
Yilki Uniting Church. Encounter bay. Uniting Church
St. Chads Anglican Church. Fullarton. Anglican
Glebe Caf Church. Glebe. Uniting Church
Gordon Uniting Church. Gordon. Uniting Church
MCC Good Shepherd. Granville. MCC
Homebush Uniting Church. Homebush. Uniting Church
Wayside Chapel Parish Mission. Kings Cross. Uniting Church
St. Ninians Congregation. Lyneham. Uniting Church
Integrity Melbourne. Melbourne. Anglican
Ashburton Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Box Hill Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Collins Street Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
East Doncaster Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Footscray Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
St. Kilda Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
MCC Melbourne. Melbourne. MCC
Acts2Faith Fellowship. Melbourne. Non-denominational
Nambucca Heads Uniting Church. Nambucca Heads. Uniting Church
Hamilton Uniting Church. Newcastle. Uniting Church
North Adelaide Baptist Church. North Adelaide. Baptist
Paddington Uniting Church. Paddington. Uniting Church
The Open Door. Penrith. Community of Christ
Randwick Uniting Church. Randwick. Uniting Church
Strathfield Uniting Church. Strathfield. Uniting Church
St. Andrews Anglican Church. Subiaco. Anglican
St. James King Street. Sydney. Anglican
Community of Christ Our Hope. Sydney. Ecumenical Catholic Church of Australia
Crave MCC. Sydney, Paddington. MCC
MCC Sydney. Sydney. MCC
Pitt Street Congregation. Sydney. Uniting Church
South Sydney Uniting Church. Sydney. Uniting Church
Waverley Lugar Brae Uniting Church. Waverley. Uniting Church
Footscray Baptist Church. Victoria, Footscray. Baptist
South Yarra Community Baptist Church. Victoria. South Yarra. Baptist
St. Francis & St. Clare Liberal catholic Mission. Victoria. Liberal Catholic Church
Westgate Baptist Community. Yarraville. Baptist

KID,

You decry and disparage Christianity and Christians, yet you support Christians and Christianity when it suits your agenda.

Why would you want your fellow LGBT's to join Christian Churches? Especially since your version can change at anytime for any whim of any of the members.

[connermt]

Why the need for a specifically 'Gay Church'? Below is a list of the most recently compiled "Gay Friendly" Churches in Australia.

WELCOMING GAY FRIENDLY CHURCHES IN AUSTRALIA

Integrity Adelaide. Adelaide. Anglican
Ashfield Parish Mission. Ashfield. Uniting Church
Burdekin Uniting Church. Ayr QLD. Uniting Church
Balmain Uniting Church. Balmain. Uniting Church
Blackwood Uniting Church. Blackwood, Adelaide. Uniting Church
Bondi Beach, Chapel By The Sea. Bondi Beach. Uniting Church
St. Johns Anglican Cathedral. Brisbane, QLD. Anglican
MCC Brisbane. Brisbane, QLD. MCC
New Way Community Chapel. Brisbane, QLD. Non-denominational
Brunswick Baptist Church. Brunswick. Baptist
Canberra Baptist Church. Canberra City. Baptist
Canberra City Uniting Church. Canberra City. Uniting Church
Church of the Trinity. Clarence Park. Uniting Church
Community Church of Saint Mark. Clifton Hill. Baptist
St. James Congregation. Curtin, Canberra. Uniting Church
Christ Church Anglican Cathedral. Darwin. Anglican
United Ecumenical Catholic Church. Dundas Valley. Ecumenical Catholic Church
Yilki Uniting Church. Encounter bay. Uniting Church
St. Chads Anglican Church. Fullarton. Anglican
Glebe Caf Church. Glebe. Uniting Church
Gordon Uniting Church. Gordon. Uniting Church
MCC Good Shepherd. Granville. MCC
Homebush Uniting Church. Homebush. Uniting Church
Wayside Chapel Parish Mission. Kings Cross. Uniting Church
St. Ninians Congregation. Lyneham. Uniting Church
Integrity Melbourne. Melbourne. Anglican
Ashburton Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Box Hill Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Collins Street Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
East Doncaster Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Footscray Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
St. Kilda Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
MCC Melbourne. Melbourne. MCC
Acts2Faith Fellowship. Melbourne. Non-denominational
Nambucca Heads Uniting Church. Nambucca Heads. Uniting Church
Hamilton Uniting Church. Newcastle. Uniting Church
North Adelaide Baptist Church. North Adelaide. Baptist
Paddington Uniting Church. Paddington. Uniting Church
The Open Door. Penrith. Community of Christ
Randwick Uniting Church. Randwick. Uniting Church
Strathfield Uniting Church. Strathfield. Uniting Church
St. Andrews Anglican Church. Subiaco. Anglican
St. James King Street. Sydney. Anglican
Community of Christ Our Hope. Sydney. Ecumenical Catholic Church of Australia
Crave MCC. Sydney, Paddington. MCC
MCC Sydney. Sydney. MCC
Pitt Street Congregation. Sydney. Uniting Church
South Sydney Uniting Church. Sydney. Uniting Church
Waverley Lugar Brae Uniting Church. Waverley. Uniting Church
Footscray Baptist Church. Victoria, Footscray. Baptist
South Yarra Community Baptist Church. Victoria. South Yarra. Baptist
St. Francis & St. Clare Liberal catholic Mission. Victoria. Liberal Catholic Church
Westgate Baptist Community. Yarraville. Baptist

KID,

You decry and disparage Christianity and Christians, yet you support Christians and Christianity when it suits your agenda.

Why would you want your fellow LGBT's to join Christian Churches? Especially since your version can change at anytime for any whim of any of the members.

To be fair, this is little different than what christians have done through the centuries: following what fits their agenda, ignoring &/or admending &/or making excuses for things that don't.
You see, it's easy to do such a thing with a belief system when there's no tactile boundaries.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 1855:

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Now, if you could show why homosexuals shouldn't invent their own religion, or at least if they want to purport to identify as Christians, should have the decency to do it in their own shops.

Exactly!

Y'all all create you all a religion that hates on others, and loves those within, just as bad as the Christian religion has done for itself.

[KCKID]

Why the need for a specifically 'Gay Church'? Below is a list of the most recently compiled "Gay Friendly" Churches in Australia.

WELCOMING GAY FRIENDLY CHURCHES IN AUSTRALIA

Integrity Adelaide. Adelaide. Anglican
Ashfield Parish Mission. Ashfield. Uniting Church
Burdekin Uniting Church. Ayr QLD. Uniting Church
Balmain Uniting Church. Balmain. Uniting Church
Blackwood Uniting Church. Blackwood, Adelaide. Uniting Church
Bondi Beach, Chapel By The Sea. Bondi Beach. Uniting Church
St. Johns Anglican Cathedral. Brisbane, QLD. Anglican
MCC Brisbane. Brisbane, QLD. MCC
New Way Community Chapel. Brisbane, QLD. Non-denominational
Brunswick Baptist Church. Brunswick. Baptist
Canberra Baptist Church. Canberra City. Baptist
Canberra City Uniting Church. Canberra City. Uniting Church
Church of the Trinity. Clarence Park. Uniting Church
Community Church of Saint Mark. Clifton Hill. Baptist
St. James Congregation. Curtin, Canberra. Uniting Church
Christ Church Anglican Cathedral. Darwin. Anglican
United Ecumenical Catholic Church. Dundas Valley. Ecumenical Catholic Church
Yilki Uniting Church. Encounter bay. Uniting Church
St. Chads Anglican Church. Fullarton. Anglican
Glebe Caf Church. Glebe. Uniting Church
Gordon Uniting Church. Gordon. Uniting Church
MCC Good Shepherd. Granville. MCC
Homebush Uniting Church. Homebush. Uniting Church
Wayside Chapel Parish Mission. Kings Cross. Uniting Church
St. Ninians Congregation. Lyneham. Uniting Church
Integrity Melbourne. Melbourne. Anglican
Ashburton Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Box Hill Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Collins Street Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
East Doncaster Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
Footscray Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
St. Kilda Baptist Church. Melbourne. Baptist
MCC Melbourne. Melbourne. MCC
Acts2Faith Fellowship. Melbourne. Non-denominational
Nambucca Heads Uniting Church. Nambucca Heads. Uniting Church
Hamilton Uniting Church. Newcastle. Uniting Church
North Adelaide Baptist Church. North Adelaide. Baptist
Paddington Uniting Church. Paddington. Uniting Church
The Open Door. Penrith. Community of Christ
Randwick Uniting Church. Randwick. Uniting Church
Strathfield Uniting Church. Strathfield. Uniting Church
St. Andrews Anglican Church. Subiaco. Anglican
St. James King Street. Sydney. Anglican
Community of Christ Our Hope. Sydney. Ecumenical Catholic Church of Australia
Crave MCC. Sydney, Paddington. MCC
MCC Sydney. Sydney. MCC
Pitt Street Congregation. Sydney. Uniting Church
South Sydney Uniting Church. Sydney. Uniting Church
Waverley Lugar Brae Uniting Church. Waverley. Uniting Church
Footscray Baptist Church. Victoria, Footscray. Baptist
South Yarra Community Baptist Church. Victoria. South Yarra. Baptist
St. Francis & St. Clare Liberal catholic Mission. Victoria. Liberal Catholic Church
Westgate Baptist Community. Yarraville. Baptist

KID,

You decry and disparage Christianity and Christians, yet you support Christians and Christianity when it suits your agenda.

The only Christianity and Christians that I decry and disparage are those that preach a hate message like that of yourself. Hate messages have no place within Christianity and I applaud the above churches for welcoming those whose only 'sin' is that they are gay.

Why would you want your fellow LGBT's to join Christian Churches?

Because such 'fellow' (?) LGBT's evidently feel the need to join a church and there ARE gay welcoming churches available for them. What is it about that that you don't understand?

Especially since your version can change at anytime for any whim of any of the members.

For me the Christian experience has been an ever changing one as I receive new light. Some - no mention of any names - remain stagnant in their Christianity thus making it non-effective for either themselves or for others.

[99percentatheism]

KCKID:

KID,

You decry and disparage Christianity and Christians, yet you support Christians and Christianity when it suits your agenda.

The only Christianity and Christians that I decry and disparage are those that preach a hate message like that of yourself. Hate messages have no place within Christianity and I applaud the above churches for welcoming those whose only 'sin' is that they are gay.

"Gay" as a label for same gender sex acts and those that engage in it is a neologism of the 20th century. Homosexuality from the 19th. Same gender sex acts are inappropriate for Christians to engage in. Calling the Gospel and repentance "hate" as it is presented in the New Testament is propaganda of the "gay agenda."

It's not surprinsing that you use the technique and tactic. It is very effective. As all propaganda of group-think and mob rule usually is.

Why would you want your fellow LGBT's to join Christian Churches?

Because such 'fellow' (?) LGBT's evidently feel the need to join a church and there ARE gay welcoming churches available for them. What is it about that that you don't understand?

Seducing and predatory behavior is easy to understand. As you know so well, Jude and Peter and the others wrote to us about these kinds of people even being in The Church.

Especially since your version can change at anytime for any whim of any of the members.

For me the Christian experience has been an ever changing one as I receive new light. Some - no mention of any names - remain stagnant in their Christianity thus making it non-effective for either themselves or for others.

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I have come to know your style of belief system all to well. It is the spirit of this age. From the rise of humanism to the power of the homosexual community. I've never said that this power isn't derived from very cunning and intelligent entities.

It boils down to anything goes. Of course it does. This is the story of mankind and the Bible details it and how it looks. If anyone really believes that this LGBT thing is about the purity of "marriage" is far beyond lost.

KID, do you really believe that the throngs of celebrants partying and reveling in the gaity about the Supreme Court decision here in America about overturning the vote of the majority of Californians in the Prop 8 case, OR the destruction of the Defense Of Marriage Act, rejoiced that they now should keep themselves virgins until they meet Mr or Mr, or Mrs or Mrs Right? Do you really believe this is about sexual purity and holy matrimony? I can't believe that even you believe that. And please, please, don't compare the wrongs commited by straight people to say that LGBT's are no different in their cause. Comparing depraved straights to the "rights" sought by LGBT's is rather a dubious Christian morality don't you think? The promiscuity of that night was more than likely legion in scope. I didn't see a rush for the alter and a Preacher did you?

There is no compatibility of gay activism to Christian life. LGBT's bring in rainbow pride and I have never heard a sermon by any homosedxual or pro-gay person, preach a Christian maessage of purity of righteousness that didn't come through a gay pride paradigm. Not once. Go to any gay religious site and see for yourself. The rainbow flag is an idiol in every sense of the word. And as you know, I have been falsely accused of being gay, because I read many a gay product here on the web and in those gay affirming denoms you mention. The Gospel must be filtered through LGBT beliefs and worldviews each and every time. That is very telling as to what gay activists, with their gay theology seek "in The Church." It is the preaching of a decidely "different gospel."