ttruscott wrote:
jgh7 wrote: My excuse is that I was acting out of love for my fellow man. Is that a good enough excuse?
From my PCE pov:
There is only one sin that cannot be forgiven - blasphemy of the holy Spirit. No one who can be forgiven will not be forgiven. Period. Therefore to not be forgiven means that one has blasphemed the holy Spirit.
This blasphemy is to deny YHWH is GOD by putting your faith in the idea that HE is a false god and liar and that all HIS promises of salvation for an imaginary hell are lies which belief puts them outside of HIS loving grace and makes them to be eternally evil.
Since the sins of those who can be saved are just as evil as the sins of those who cannot be saved, that is, both groups sin
sins of ultimate disvalue against GOD. ULTIMATE DISVALUE.
Therefore it is not the sins you do on earth but the acceptance or rejection of YHWH that brought us into election or into being condemned already.
Now why are some of the elect as sinful as the demons? Because when GOD called all the elect to come out from among the demons so they could be judged, some of the elect rebelled against GOD, insisting that the judgment was too harsh, too final and not worthy of a GOD of love which in fact made them as evil as the demons. When they were accused of being evil by this decision their protest was, "I did it out of love for my friend who was doomed and how can love be bad?"...precisely why Adam and Eve were not ashamed of being naked, that is, uncovered by righteousness and with their sinfulness all exposed.
This choice to put their friends above the plan of their GOD (idolatry) caused the postponement of the judgement in case the sinful elect were rooted up also until the last sinful elect repents and becomes holy and stands with their GOD's decision that the judgment is an absolute necessity.
The loving acts of one doomed already cannot save him anymore than the evil acts the sinful elect may do can condemn one who is under the promise of salvation.
It is your relationship with YHWH (accepting or rejecting HIS Deity) that matters, not what you do after that decision.
I might have responded to this already, if that's the case I apologize. I'm not very adept at navigating through here yet. I haven't been online in quite a while and have only a vague recollection of the ideas that you are presenting. I remember they were quite interesting so I thought that I would return the favor and present to you another quite fascinating perspective:
Him God beholding from his prospect high,
Wherein past, present, future, he beholds,
Thus to His only Son foreseeing spake:—
"Only-begotten Son, seest thou what rage
Transports our Adversary? whom no bounds
Prescribed, no bars of Hell, nor all the chains
Heaped on him there, nor yet the main Abyss
Wide interrupt, can hold; so bent he seems
On desperate revenge, that shall redound
Upon his own rebellious head. And now,
Through all restraint broke loose, he wings his way
Not far off Heaven, in the precincts of light,
Directly towards the new-created World,
And Man there placed, with purpose to assay
If him by force he can destroy, or, worse,
By some false guile pervert: and shall pervert;
For Man will hearken to his glozing lies,
And easily transgress the sole command,
Sole pledge of his obedience: so will fall
He and his faithless progeny. Whose fault?
Whose but his own? Ingrate, he had of me
All he could have; I made him just and right,
Sufficient to have stood, though free to fall.
Such I created all the Ethereal Powers
And Spirits, both them who stood and them who failed;
Freely they stood who stood, and fell who fell.
Not free, what proof could they have given sincere
Of true allegiance, constant faith, or love,
Where only what they needs must do appeared,
Not what they would? What praise could they receive,
What pleasure I, from such obedience paid.
When Will and Reason (Reason also is Choice),
Useless and vain, of freedom both despoiled,
Made passive both, had served Necessity,
Not Me? They, therefore, as to right belonged
So were created, nor can justly accuse
Their Maker, or their making, or their fate,
As if Predestination overruled
Their will, disposed by absolute decree
Or high foreknowledge. They themselves decreed
Their own revolt, not I. If I foreknew,
Foreknowledge had no influence on their fault,
Which had no less proved certain unforeknown.
So without least impulse or shadow of fate,
Or aught by me immutably foreseen,
They trespass, authors to themselves in all,
Both what they judge and what they choose; for so
I formed them free, and free they must remain
Till they enthrall themselves: I else must change
Their nature, and revoke the high decree
Unchangeable, eternal, which ordained
Their freedom; they themselves ordained their fall.
The first sort by their own suggestion fell,
Self-tempted, self-depraved; Man falls, deceived
By the other first: Man, therefore, shall find grace;
The other, none. In mercy and justice both,
Through Heaven and Earth, so shall my glory excel;
But mercy, first and last, shall brightest shine."
-Book III from Paradise Lost by John Milton