Time is finite and uncreated. - McCulloch

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Time is finite and uncreated. - McCulloch

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this is an awesome explination of why time is finite and uncreated that i think everyone should read. thanks McCulloch :]...

the argument i want to make, is that:
if time is uncreated (and therefore space), god therefore COULD not create the universe.
this is not necessarily what McCulloch argued for (maybe he does?), but thats what i am... enjoy!

McCulloch's work starts here VVV
[first, lets get some definitions out of the way:]

"Let's start with an easy one. Destroyed. To have been destroyed means that at one time the entity in question existed and at a subsequent time, the entity in question did not exist. This can apply to real physical things, my car was destroyed in the collision. Not that the matter that made up the car no longer exists, but that it is now not in a form that could be called a car. It can also be applied to more abstract entities. My feeling of confidence in other drivers was destroyed by the destruction of the car.
Now the flip side: Created. To have been created means that at one time the entity in question did not exist and at a subsequent time, the entity did exist.

Now, can we ask if time could be created or destroyed. No, we cannot. It is absurd. For time itself to have been created, there would have to be a time when there was no time. This is a contradiction. Time itself is uncreated. And, according to general relativity time and space are equivalent. So if space is finite then time is finite. Space is expanding. Therefore, space is finite in that something that is infinite cannot be simultaneously be getting bigger. Therefore, time is finite.

Time is finite and uncreated.
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JehovahsWitness wrote:Seems like someone it twisting themselves into all kinds of loops to avoid the inevitable: there is no avoiding the existence of "first cause": Time* is a concept that only exist (or is relevant) within the confines of a physical universe, thus both time and the universe is by necessity finite (the word "finite" means 'had a beginning'). And...

1. Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
2. The Universe (and time) began to exist.
3. Therefore, the Universe (and time) had a cause.

That "cause" must by definition exist outside of time (since time is finite) thus we have a "first cause" that had no beginning (irrelevant) and no end (equally irrelevent), ie an infinite "first cause" of the universe/time.

One man's "FC" is another man's "god".

*space is not "nothing" space (and time) apparenly are affected by the bodys it contains.
What I always found interesting, and perhaps you can answer this question from god's perspective, is that god must have come to a decision about creating the universe outside of time constraints, because time didn't begin until the universe went poof(sorry for getting too technical). How did god know to go poof? He didn't have a timetable, timetables didn't exist until the universe began,.............oh no, not the old................... what came first the timetable or the universe? In all seriousness, how did god know the point at which to create the universe, if there weren't any points to choose from? What happened during the time period when there were no time periods that made god feel lonely or made god decide to do something interesting...........................for a change?

So I guess, I'm also asking, since we're talking about feelings, when and why did god decide to be human?
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