Proof Christianity is fake

[Tareh]

This is my proof of the fraudulent, and manipulation of the bible, Don’t get me wrong.. I am not against God, Or Jesus. But, I do believe that these stories were manipulated for the purpose of control, which has succeeded greatly, First of all History back’s me up, for my evidence in my cause.. People will see what I write as an attack.. But I see my report as truth, Enlightenment to the lie’s spreaded around the world, I am not attacking you, I only wish to help, First of all, I am an eclectic wiccan, A form of paganism, Eclectic mean’s that I am open to learn as I will.. I do not follow one’s path.. I follow my own, in what I feel is truth. Pagan’s/Wiccan’s have been attacked and prosecuted by Christian’s/Catholic’s for many years. Yet, Little do they know, that their whole religion is a plagiarized version of the pagan religion itself, Many don’t see this.. The holiday’s, Like Christmas, Easter, Halloween, thanksgiving. They were pagan religion’s long before Christianity was in the thought’s of men.. Samhain, Is today’s Halloween, The pagan’s Yule holiday, is Christianity’s Christmas, Which both coincidentally is the same day.. As is Samhain.. Notice the word Yule used.. A very common pagan word, used for Christmas.. It is The Holiday is a celebration for Rebirth and Life.. The Holiday Imbolic, Is today’s groundhog day.. Still..
The Pagan Holiday Eostara is Christian’s easter.. The holiday is a celebration of rebirth.. Which is a coincidence considering it is considered the day that Jesus Rose again.. Our Religion Mabon.. Is Christian’s thanks’ giving.. Which is also a day for giving thanks’..

Now off to another point.. Christian symbol’s.. Christian Symbol’s you see today are also Pagan Symbol’s.. Like the Cross that Jesus died on.. The cross is considered to a pagan, as the Cross of the Zodiac, The circle around the center point of the cross represents the sun.. Which is where the idea, of the son of god. The Fish.. The fish that Jesus drew on the ground, Is also the same symbol used to represent Pagan astrology’s symbol of the ages.. Which in this case, is the age of Pisces, Which we are still in today.

Now, This is where the real proof come’s in. The story of Jesus, Believe it or not, The story of Jesus has been told Thousand’s of year’s before Christian’s Jesus was born, The list of how many people share the same story and same trait’s is seemingly endless.. Which make’s me believe, that there was a man somewhere that has done the same thing has him.. One example of many.. Horus was also born of the virgin Isis , He is the Only Begotten son of Osiris, His Foster father was Seb, Also meaning Jo-seph,
Him and Jesus are of Royal Descent, Both born in a cave, An Angel came to both, and Warned Isis of her virgin birth, 3 king’s came to Jesus following a star to the east, 3 solar deities, Followed a star to the east, to find Horus, Mother Isis was told at the birth of Horus "Come, thou goddess Isis, hide thyself with thy child.". As Joseph, Father of Jesus was told "Arise and take the young child and his mother and flee into Egypt.". Both were teacher’s at the age of 12, They were both Baptized at the age of 30, Horus Baptized by Anup, as Jesus baptized by John the Baptist, Both Anup, and John were Beheaded. Horus and Jesus both performed many miracles, such as Raising the dead, Water to wine, Walking on water, and many more.. Later He was Betrayed by A close friend and Disciple, To then be crucified and then cast into a tomb.. Both resurrected 3 day’s later, to then later descend into the heaven’s.. Keep in mind, This is only one story that is similar to the story of Jesus.. And also.. Much Much older.. There are so many, it would take entirely too long to go through it all, Although, if you wish to research yourself.. I will list a few name’s… Odin of the Norse, Mithra, Krishna, Gautama a.k.a.Buddha, Attis , Zoroaster, Dionysus, Quetzaloatl, Tammuz, Alestis, Esus, Bel, Bali, Orpheus, Iao and Wittoba.. Keep in mind. .There are many many more..

Now off to God, In the bible, There are mention’s of other God’s which Christianity say’s they are fake, But if you actually listen without a stubborn mind.. it speak’s of other’s.. as if they are real..

“Now I know that the Lord is greater than all other gods, for he did this to those who had treated Israel arrogantly.� Exodus 18:11

"You shall have no other gods before me."

Exodus 20:3

"Be careful to do everything I have said to you. Do not invoke the names of other gods; do not let them be heard on your lips."

Exodus 23:13

"What other nation is so great as to have their gods near them the way the Lord our God is near us whenever we pray to him?"

Deuteronomy 4:7

"Do not follow other gods, the gods of the peoples around you;"

Deuteronomy 6:14

"for they will turn your sons away from following me to serve other gods, and the Lord's anger will burn against you and will quickly destroy you."

Deuteronomy 7:4



"If you ever forget the Lord your God and follow other gods and worship and bow down to them, I testify against you today that you will surely be destroyed."

Deuteronomy 8:19

"Be careful, or you will be enticed to turn away and worship other gods and bow down to them."

Deuteronomy 11:16

"the curse if you disobey the commands of the Lord your God and turn from the way that I command you today by following other gods, which you have not known." Deuteronomy 11:28

Anyway.. You get the point.. This list can go on a long time..

Off to God and Zues.. The similarities, Both were very vengeful god’s Loving.. and Destructive and angry..
Both at one point were very angry, Angered at man for their sin’s , Gave up on man.. And chose a select few to build an Ark, Collect animal’s.. and then… Flooded the earth. As for a different story, but yet the same.. God Sent Noah to build his ark, and Gilgamesh sent Untapishtim, Both Flood’s were global, both were for the punishment of man’s sin’s, Both were Sent by God/God’s, both build a boat, and both complained, both had at least one window, both held animals, It rained heavily for both of them..
They both released bird’s to find land.

On to Corruption, Control.. And Lie's.. Used for control nation's.. Also used as conversion..
Do you remember Constantine of Rome? He was once a Pagan, Turned to a Christian..
He pulled a stunt very clever.. A tactic of Conversion.. Considering that Constantine had turned to Christian, He knew that most of his follower's were Pagan, To help his follower's and other's become christian, He made up christian holiday's on the same date's as Pagan Holiday's, Which would eventually turn everyone into a Christian. Also Back then.. A pope declared Pagan's as servant's to the devil.. Because of his Status and power, Claiming that God claimed so.. It would be easy for him kill and convert.. He killed Innocent people because of their religion, And still today, it Is still taught in church.. They claim everything about Us is evil.. We serve the devil.. And practice black magic.. Yet.. Many do not know a single thing of my religion, but that it is the devil.. The pentagram, Or Pentacle, Is a sacred symbol of a pagan, It stand's for many thing's.. Nothing to do with evil, not one bit.. The star is a representation of the element's, and also a portrayal of the human body.. The circle is a representation of the shape of the earth, and also a wall of protection around the human body.., It is a holy symbol used by pagan's as protection from evil.. Some ask.. Why does it look like the satanist pentagram? Well.. That is because they stole it from us Wiccan's.. They stole our symbol and stuck it upside down.. Their's represent's a bull with horn's..
We have nothing to do with them and their practice's.. Anyway's on with what I was saying,
The bible is a great weapon, A scare tactic to control, An example is Jonestown.. The man who used this scare tactic to lead so many into a trap.. Then eventually led to a mass suicide.. Thousand's of year's war's fought to claim that their God is the true God, Between Muslim, The Hare Krishna's, Christian's and Catholic's.. Still to this day.. this war is still going.. So much bloodshed, over who's book is right.. It's nonsense.. And after thousand's of year's nothing is changing.. Ever thought that nobody will give up? That you are fighting a war that cant be won? Maybe thought... Wow.. Think of all the live's... For nothing.. They use this tactic to get you to fight war's, for a cause they make up.. For example.. The Taliban, So many go on suicide missions in believe of great reward to do so.. And yet, What is this battle really for? To kill all Infidel's? Why Should I kill all Infidel's? Well.. Because god will give you lot's of women.. You see my point? The man who wrote this is now your master.. You are his slave, and you dont know it.. The book's of the bible.. There are so many book's of the bible, and yet so many did not make it.. They were burned by pope's, to Simply make Jesus and God look more pure... They were Edited, to gain control over Man.. Think about it.. What make's a book found by the pope.. and chosen by the pope, to be any more correct than any other book's found in Ancient time's.. So.. The pope say's they are fake.. and You dont take any consideration that maybe.. This is real? The book's back then were in consideration at one point.. For example... The Dead Sea Scroll's.. Older than the actual bible, These were carried by Men who were fleeing from people trying to kill them off.. These were the book's the Islam's considered the Bible back in those time's.. But Christian's today see them as blasphemy.. As a Lie... Ever wonder why they are so Defensive to this? Because it break's off their control.. Anyone who believe's these thing's are free from their hand's.. They dont like that..
Another Scare tactic I will address.. Hell.. That word is so powerful, Probably the most powerful word in the world.. It is easy to convert someone who is afraid of eternal burning and torture, But then the Bible Addresses free will.. But really how much free will is in, Burn in hell, Or Live in paradise in the heaven's.. Only a fool would choose hell.. So... if you want to go to heaven, Believe in god, Accept Jesus into your heart, Serve his wishes, Become like him, and you will go to heaven.. Not a bad deal, Not a bad deal at all.. Cant see much wrong with that. That is a statement most cant turn down. Then, That give's your pastor power.. Dont get me wrong, I am NOT saying that all Christian's are evil.. Majority of Christian's are the nicest people on earth, Also some of the meanest! I know many great Pastor's with a great and pure cause.. These people do great thing's for the world.. Then you Have the guy who know's what kind of control he can get.. Money, Church Offering's.. Offer your money to god, then you see your pastor with some fancy Jewelry, Some fancy clothe's, and He is telling you, this money is going to Africa, and show's a picture of a white man and some Happy African's... I am a Man that believe's believe's that the greatest of all evil, Will present itself holy and pure.. And That Evil will bring the greatest of people with it, and use their good heart for it's will..

I do not believe in the word perfect, Because it is impossible, no god, man, or being can be perfect..
A good example is God himself, and all of us.. Even the best of us.. He does thing's that are strangely... Human... Murder, Lie's Desciet.. But he also has his loving side.. As all of us do.. We are all capable of Evil.. and Good... We are not to be judged on our past, but what we are now.. and the future of ourselves to come.. Though, I know most will see what I write, and Claim me evil, They will acuse me of assault, Lie's, Desceit.. But know, This is some information I have kept to myself for so long, because I was afraid of what those would say of me.. Thing's that may happen.. But the truth is.. This may be a School assignment, But this is also for the world, I could keep this to myself and let those be blind and controlled, But that would be selfish, This is something I give as a Gift, To help free you, Not hurt you, Those who have read this with an open mind, can not deny what I am saying, But those with a closed mind, likely stopped reading this a while back, Or are thinking of way's to prove me wrong.. and By all means! Do So! I seek the truth! Again, this does not prove god, or Jesus fake, But show's that the bible is fake, Their Story is real, why else would their be so many different versions? Somewhere in all these story's and myth's has to have truth somewhere..

[Adstar]

I am a bible believing Christian so you can add Christmas and Easter also in your not Christian list of events.

I read your post in full. Does not prove anything in relation to Biblical Christianity nor the existance or otherwise of the God of Abraham.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[Kuan]

I am a bible believing Christian so you can add Christmas and Easter also in your not Christian list of events.

I read your post in full. Does not prove anything in relation to Biblical Christianity nor the existance or otherwise of the God of Abraham.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Well, it might not be from the bible, but they are still christian holidays.

1. Christ-mas
2. Easter is usually celebrated by Christians for the resurrection.

But your right, just because a new culture formed with parts of other cultures is not proof that Christianity is fake.

[Adstar]

I am a bible believing Christian so you can add Christmas and Easter also in your not Christian list of events.

I read your post in full. Does not prove anything in relation to Biblical Christianity nor the existence or otherwise of the God of Abraham.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Well, it might not be from the bible, but they are still christian holidays.

1. Christ-mas
2. Easter is usually celebrated by Christians for the resurrection.

But your right, just because a new culture formed with parts of other cultures is not proof that Christianity is fake.

Well i disagree with you. I am a bible believing Christian and i do not recognise or accept christmans or easter as having anything to do with Biblical Christianity.

Does not matter a jot to me if 99% of people who identify themselves as Christian take part in and consider them to be Christian events.

Jesus was not born on the 25th of December and both christmas and easter are pagan observances gazumped by the catholic church. Who's traditions are played along with by supposed breakaway churches who only feign rebellion against catholicism, while still giving honour to it's traditions.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[Lux]

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It take's 2 to converse you idiot, this is not spamming, It's a debate.. And I made a starting point.. Why dont you go do other stupid thing's.. Instead of leaving stupid comment's...

I know you're new here, but in this forum we take respect and civility seriously. Don't insult another member again, and I suggest you familiarize yourself with our rules.

Also, the next time you start a topic in a debate subforum, please make sure that the questions you wish to debate are clearly stated and easily distinguishable.

[gegraptai]

I am a bible believing Christian so you can add Christmas and Easter also in your not Christian list of events.

I read your post in full. Does not prove anything in relation to Biblical Christianity nor the existence or otherwise of the God of Abraham.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Well, it might not be from the bible, but they are still christian holidays.

1. Christ-mas
2. Easter is usually celebrated by Christians for the resurrection.

But your right, just because a new culture formed with parts of other cultures is not proof that Christianity is fake.

Well i disagree with you. I am a bible believing Christian and i do not recognise or accept christmans or easter as having anything to do with Biblical Christianity.

Does not matter a jot to me if 99% of people who identify themselves as Christian take part in and consider them to be Christian events.

Jesus was not born on the 25th of December and both christmas and easter are pagan observances gazumped by the catholic church. Who's traditions are played along with by supposed breakaway churches who only feign rebellion against catholicism, while still giving honour to it's traditions.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

I agree. Christmas and Easter are holidays with pagan origins, contrivances of the Catholic Church, and are nowhere commanded to be kept in the Bible. To observe them is to bow the knee to the self-proclaimed authority of the Catholic Church.

No thanks.

P.S. The KJV mistranslated the Greek word pascha as Easter, but it really means Passover, as nearly every other translation properly renders it. Of course, the Douay-Rheimes calls it "pasch," obscuring it even more.

[Kuan]

I agree that all of those holidays have pagan origins. But they became christian holidays to many. You might not observe it but they are based upon christian events even though they are pagan. The fact that its based upon christian events makes it a christian holiday.

[gegraptai]

I agree that all of those holidays have pagan origins. But they became christian holidays to many. You might not observe it but they are based upon christian events even though they are pagan. The fact that its based upon christian events makes it a christian holiday.

To some, perhaps, but to others, the Bible trumps tradition. Also, to adhere to the true spirit of Protestantism, how can one "protest" the unbiblical practices of Catholicism while simultaneously submitting to their decrees?

[Kuan]

I agree that all of those holidays have pagan origins. But they became christian holidays to many. You might not observe it but they are based upon christian events even though they are pagan. The fact that its based upon christian events makes it a christian holiday.

To some, perhaps, but to others, the Bible trumps tradition. Also, to adhere to the true spirit of Protestantism, how can one "protest" the unbiblical practices of Catholicism while simultaneously submitting to their decrees?

Well, I dont protest Catholicism. Neither do I practice it...

[bernee51]

It take's 2 to converse you idiot, this is not spamming, It's a debate.. And I made a starting point.. Why dont you go do other stupid thing's.. Instead of leaving stupid comment's...

Starting a conversation by calling someone an idiot will not get you too far on this forum.

From what I read of your post...and i must admit I tired quickly trying to make sense of your take on rather old and well aired arguments...it was more of a speech (diatribe?) than an invitation to discuss.

Please note that, for there to be a debate there has to be a debate question....what is yours?

may you be happy, kind, loving and peaceful.

[Murad]

Im a muslim, and i disagree with almost everything in the OP.

First of all, you didn't "prove" Christianity wrong, and i would like to see objective evidence regarding the horus story. (Hieroglyphic interpretations would be appreciated).

Secondly, i agree, the Christian Cross did originate from pagan tradition, no argument here.

Now off to God, In the bible, There are mention’s of other God’s which Christianity say’s they are fake, But if you actually listen without a stubborn mind.. it speak’s of other’s.. as if they are real..

Incorrect.
If you read the bible in context, instead of cherry picking Exodus 18:11, you would see GOD(of Israel) ridiculing other "Gods" because of their "non-existence". Even the prophets in the Bible mock & ridicule false pagan gods:

At noon Elijah began to taunt them. "Shout louder!" he said. "Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened."
(1 Kings 18:27)

The Shema, one of the main Jewish prayers, states: "Hear, Israel: The Lord is God, The Lord is one."

The idea, assertion, concept, thought, perception etc...etc... that there are any other Gods are heretical for all the Abrahamic Religions.
Such a claim is not only ludicrous, but ridiculous considering the "evidence" you provided to justify the assertion.

it is impossible, no god, man, or being can be perfect..

Oxymoron = "God" & "Imperfect".
I suggest you google the general definition of the Abrahamic God.
You can't assert your opinion as a universal statement, such reasoning is dishonest & wrong.

This is something I give as a Gift, To help free you, Not hurt you,

On behalf of all the Abrahamic Theists, i accept your generosity.
Im sure you've unlocked all our cages.

Those who have read this with an open mind, can not deny what I am saying,

I deny almost everything because mostly, what you have presented is SUBJECTIVE OPINION.
Here is the million dollar question:
What makes your "opinion" 'undeniable'?

But those with a closed mind, likely stopped reading this a while back, Or are thinking of way's to prove me wrong.. and By all means! Do So! I seek the truth!

The burden of proof lies with you.
You are the one claiming the Bible is false, you have done a horrible job at justifying the thesis of the thread title.

For example... The Dead Sea Scroll's.. Older than the actual bible, These were carried by Men who were fleeing from people trying to kill them off.. These were the book's the Islam's considered the Bible back in those time's.. But Christian's today see them as blasphemy.. As a Lie...

What on earth?
Sorry this made absolutely no sense, could you rephrase please?



The difference between the Abrahamic Religions and Wicca/Wizardry/Sorcery etc...etc.. is that the Abrahamic Religions are based upon actual people in history who performed many miraculous deeds in front of eyewitnesses, which in effect had a tremendous effect on the population.

While Wicca, i believe is dangerous because its underlying theological premises cannot be verified, (even historically).

In all honesty, i think Christians would prefer to trust Jesus, who was a real person, rather than magic spells & sorcery that summons the forces of the godesses.