Help: How do I know that your God is the one, true God?

[Kir Komrik]

Hi all,
I'm new here and have just read up on the policies and finished my signature, etc. I hope I've done everything correctly so far.
I would like to believe in an almighty power but the problem is that in my research I've found so many gods out there. Coming from a family that has been explicitly atheist for generations, I'm starting from scratch and am looking at all religions.
I am sincerely curious to know how would I know, for instance, that your god is the one, true God?
Thank you.

[Kir Komrik]

beacuse only Allah has sent books, not other false god has ever done it.

imo, this logic is circular. I'm asking you to tell me how I would know that Allah is the one true God and your answer is because Allah said so. So, it still doesn't answer the question. And I'm sure there are any number of religions that have "books", so I'm not sure what you mean by this anyway.

The importance of this question couldn't be higher. For if it is my soul that is in question of salvation here this question must be answered defniitively. I certainly would not want to make a horrible mistake and worship the wrong, false god, and suffer the consequences for it, would I?

[ciko]

... judge for yourself wich is more logical your pantheism or islamic belief system

Well, I can't because I don't know which god is the one true, God. How would I know this? And looking at animal remains and a toilet doesn't help.

if you dont research of course you will never know, if you are expecting that knowledge will fall into your brain from the sky then you live in a delusion


here, try this

Quran in english, decide for yourself if this comes from God/Allah or not

The Holy Qur'an
http://www.islam101.com/quran/yusufAli/index.htm

this is from second chapter, introduction

Allah says:
Chapter
Surah 2. The Cow

1. A.L.M.

2. This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.

3. Who believe in the Unseen, are steadfast in prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them;

4. And who believe in the Revelation sent to thee, and sent before thy time, and (in their hearts) have the assurance of the Hereafter.

5. They are on (true) guidance, from their Lord, and it is these who will prosper.

6. As to those who reject Faith, it is the same to them whether thou warn them or do not warn them; they will not believe.

7. Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

8. Of the people there are some who say: "We believe in Allah and the Last Day;" but they do not (really) believe.

9. Fain would they deceive Allah and those who believe, but they only deceive themselves, and realise (it) not!

10. In their hearts is a disease; and Allah has increased their disease: And grievous is the penalty they (incur), because they are false (to themselves).

11. When it is said to them: "Make not mischief on the earth," they say: "Why, we only Want to make peace!"

12. Of a surety, they are the ones who make mischief, but they realise (it) not.

13. When it is said to them: "Believe as the others believe:" They say: "Shall we believe as the fools believe?" Nay, of a surety they are the fools, but they do not know.

14. When they meet those who believe, they say: "We believe;" but when they are alone with their evil ones, they say: "We are really with you: We (were) only jesting."

15. Allah will throw back their mockery on them, and give them rope in their trespasses; so they will wander like blind ones (To and fro).

16. These are they who have bartered Guidance for error: But their traffic is profitless, and they have lost true direction,

17. Their similitude is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see.

18. Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).

19. Or (another similitude) is that of a rain-laden cloud from the sky: In it are zones of darkness, and thunder and lightning: They press their fingers in their ears to keep out the stunning thunder-clap, the while they are in terror of death. But Allah is ever round the rejecters of Faith!

20. The lightning all but snatches away their sight; every time the light (Helps) them, they walk therein, and when the darkness grows on them, they stand still. And if Allah willed, He could take away their faculty of hearing and seeing; for Allah hath power over all things.

21. O ye people! Adore your Guardian-Lord, who created you and those who came before you, that ye may have the chance to learn righteousness;

22. Who has made the earth your couch, and the heavens your canopy; and sent down rain from the heavens; and brought forth therewith Fruits for your sustenance; then set not up rivals unto Allah when ye know (the truth).

23. And if ye are in doubt as to what We have revealed from time to time to Our servant, then produce a Sura like thereunto; and call your witnesses or helpers (If there are any) besides Allah, if your (doubts) are true.

24. But if ye cannot- and of a surety ye cannot- then fear the Fire whose fuel is men and stones,- which is prepared for those who reject Faith.

25. But give glad tidings to those who believe and work righteousness, that their portion is Gardens, beneath which rivers flow. Every time they are fed with fruits therefrom, they say: "Why, this is what we were fed with before," for they are given things in similitude; and they have therein companions pure (and holy); and they abide therein (for ever).

26. Allah disdains not to use the similitude of things, lowest as well as highest. Those who believe know that it is truth from their Lord; but those who reject Faith say: "What means Allah by this similitude?" By it He causes many to stray, and many He leads into the right path; but He causes not to stray, except those who forsake (the path),-

27. Those who break Allah.s Covenant after it is ratified, and who sunder what Allah Has ordered to be joined, and do mischief on earth: These cause loss (only) to themselves.

28. How can ye reject the faith in Allah.- seeing that ye were without life, and He gave you life; then will He cause you to die, and will again bring you to life; and again to Him will ye return.

29. It is He Who hath created for you all things that are on earth; Moreover His design comprehended the heavens, for He gave order and perfection to the seven firmaments; and of all things He hath perfect knowledge.

30. Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."

31. And He taught Adam the nature of all things; then He placed them before the angels, and said: "Tell me the nature of these if ye are right."

32. They said: "Glory to Thee, of knowledge We have none, save what Thou Hast taught us: In truth it is Thou Who art perfect in knowledge and wisdom."

33. He said: "O Adam! Tell them their natures." When he had told them, Allah said: "Did I not tell you that I know the secrets of heaven and earth, and I know what ye reveal and what ye conceal?"

34. And behold, We said to the angels: "Bow down to Adam" and they bowed down. Not so Iblis: he refused and was haughty: He was of those who reject Faith.

35. We said: "O Adam! dwell thou and thy wife in the Garden; and eat of the bountiful things therein as (where and when) ye will; but approach not this tree, or ye run into harm and transgression."

36. Then did Satan make them slip from the (garden), and get them out of the state (of felicity) in which they had been. We said: "Get ye down, all (ye people), with enmity between yourselves. On earth will be your dwelling-place and your means of livelihood - for a time."

37. Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration, and his Lord Turned towards him; for He is Oft-Returning, Most Merciful.

38. We said: "Get ye down all from here; and if, as is sure, there comes to you Guidance from me, whosoever follows My guidance, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.

39. "But those who reject Faith and belie Our Signs, they shall be companions of the Fire; they shall abide therein."

40. O Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and fulfil your covenant with Me as I fulfil My Covenant with you, and fear none but Me.

41. And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone.

42. And cover not Truth with falsehood, nor conceal the Truth when ye know (what it is).

43. And be steadfast in prayer; practise regular charity; and bow down your heads with those who bow down (in worship).

44. Do ye enjoin right conduct on the people, and forget (To practise it) yourselves, and yet ye study the Scripture? Will ye not understand?

45. Nay, seek ((Allah)'s) help with patient perseverance and prayer: It is indeed hard, except to those who bring a lowly spirit,-

46. Who bear in mind the certainty that they are to meet their Lord, and that they are to return to Him.

47. Children of Israel! call to mind the (special) favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all other (for My Message).

48. Then guard yourselves against a day when one soul shall not avail another nor shall intercession be accepted for her, nor shall compensation be taken from her, nor shall anyone be helped (from outside).

49. And remember, We delivered you from the people of Pharaoh: They set you hard tasks and punishments, slaughtered your sons and let your women-folk live; therein was a tremendous trial from your Lord.

50. And remember We divided the sea for you and saved you and drowned Pharaoh's people within your very sight.

51. And remember We appointed forty nights for Moses, and in his absence ye took the calf (for worship), and ye did grievous wrong.

52. Even then We did forgive you; there was a chance for you to be grateful.

53. And remember We gave Moses the Scripture and the Criterion (Between right and wrong): There was a chance for you to be guided aright.

54. And remember Moses said to his people: "O my people! Ye have indeed wronged yourselves by your worship of the calf: So turn (in repentance) to your Maker, and slay yourselves (the wrong-doers); that will be better for you in the sight of your Maker." Then He turned towards you (in forgiveness): For He is Oft- Returning, Most Merciful.

55. And remember ye said: "O Moses! We shall never believe in thee until we see Allah manifestly," but ye were dazed with thunder and lighting even as ye looked on.

56. Then We raised you up after your death: Ye had the chance to be grateful.

57. And We gave you the shade of clouds and sent down to you Manna and quails, saying: "Eat of the good things We have provided for you:" (But they rebelled); to us they did no harm, but they harmed their own souls.

58. And remember We said: "Enter this town, and eat of the plenty therein as ye wish; but enter the gate with humility, in posture and in words, and We shall forgive you your faults and increase (the portion of) those who do good."

59. But the transgressors changed the word from that which had been given them; so We sent on the transgressors a plague from heaven, for that they infringed (Our command) repeatedly.

[ciko]

beacuse only Allah has sent books, not other false god has ever done it.

imo, this logic is circular. I'm asking you to tell me how I would know that Allah is the one true God and your answer is because Allah said so. So, it still doesn't answer the question. And I'm sure there are any number of religions that have "books", so I'm not sure what you mean by this anyway.

The importance of this question couldn't be higher. For if it is my soul that is in question of salvation here this question must be answered defniitively. I certainly would not want to make a horrible mistake and worship the wrong, false god, and suffer the consequences for it, would I?

jews call him Allah

christians call him Allah

muslims call him Allah

Jesus called God Allah

Muhammed called God Allah

Allah calls himself in quran.

then we have to assume that his name is Allah after all these evidences.

[Kir Komrik]

if you dont research of course you will never know, if you are expecting that knowledge will fall into your brain from the sky then you live in a delusion

I'm not sure I understand your response, which appears to be off-topic. I certainly don't expect knowledge to "fall into my brain" but I would surely think any adherent would be able to answer this most basic question; which is, how can I know that your god is the one, true god?

[Kir Komrik]

then we have to assume that his name is Allah after all these evidences.

Then what of Helios ... or any passel of other religions?

[Divine Insight]

And the same question can be likewise posed for Helios. How do I know that Helios is the one, true God?

You could try interviewing his four horses.

[Kir Komrik]

You could try interviewing his four horses

That wouldn't have any bearing on my question, which is, how would I know that your Pantheist god is the one, true god?

[ciko]

if you dont research of course you will never know, if you are expecting that knowledge will fall into your brain from the sky then you live in a delusion

I'm not sure I understand your response, which appears to be off-topic. I certainly don't expect knowledge to "fall into my brain" but I would surely think any adherent would be able to answer this most basic question; which is, how can I know that your god is the one, true god?

which is, how can I know that your god is the one, true god?

by studing his book, you just read if it is logical and fits your intelect , accept it, if dont, leave it and move on....

in quran there is information wich no human could write in 6t hcentury so we assume that this information comes from supernatural being, God/Creator/Allah.

[EduChris]

...how would I know, for instance, that your god is the one, true God?...

All of today's major world theisms hold God to be the not-less-than-personal source and fount of all possibility and all reality and all existence. Jews, Christians, Muslims, and Hindus all hold this same understanding--and even Buddhists aren't too far removed from this concept. So your question is not, "Which God is the one true God?" but rather, "Where can I find the best pathway to God?" This question is very personal; you are not likely to find an answer through clinical "reasoning" or dispassionate analysis of information.

If you are not from a Muslim country, you will probably find Mohammad (as portrayed in Islamic historical records) to be a rather nasty character, and you will find the Qur'an to be hopelessly banal and boring. Judaism doesn't really want you to join their religion. So this leaves Christianity, Hinduism, and Buddhism as your best bets. While I like the few Hindu sacred stories that I've read, I really abhor their caste system. And Buddhism, with all its emphasis on eliminating suffering, hasn't been very successful in that regard. This leaves Christianity, the world's largest and most diverse faith tradition (numerically, geographically, culturally).

That said, most casual bystanders seem to have a bastardized understanding of Christianity (and that is particularly true on this forum). Your best source for information is The New Interpreter's Bible Commentary (which you can find at the library). However, unless you're a scholar, you're not likely to want to read much about something for which you care so little. So check out a few churches in your area. If you find one you like, where there are people you can relate to, stick with it. Otherwise, just try to be a blessing to people in need, and wait for God to come to you.

[ciko]

then we have to assume that his name is Allah after all these evidences.

Then what of Helios ... or any passel of other religions?

Allah said in quran that these names are just made up by people, these gods are no real gods, only creaton from humans , while Allah is true God.