This is a big spoiler for the Atheists and science.

[TheTruth101]

This is Prophetess Lady Vanga who predicted the 9/11 terrorist attack as well as others that came true.
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PD4x5toZMPY/T ... /vanga.jpg


Now, This is one of her predictions of the 9/11.

September 11
In 1989 she predicted the World Trade Center disaster in the following statement:

"Horror, horror! The American brethren will fall after being attacked by the steel birds. The wolves will be howling in a bush, and innocent blood will be gushing."


"Brethren" is believed to refer to the "Twin" Towers or the "Brothers". "Steel Birds" are obviously the jets. The part about the bush is believed to refer to President Bush.

Prophetess Lady Vanga was blind all her life. Some of the debates that I have held with other Atheists in the past was of how EYES (meaning memory recollection) was the only source to dreams. Now, this prophetess here clearly can SEE (through her prohecy stating "objects" wolves and towers etc.) when she was blind ALL OF HER LIFE.


How do you explain this one science? If you cant define it by definbition in accordance to science, then it is done by God. (like what I've been sayiing from day 1 on this forum that dreams come from God)

[TheTruth101]

"Believed" to refer is not the same as, "and that, folks, is exactly what is meant".

Make a prophecy vague enough, and any act fit.

(Edited out a quote of the OP 'cause I don't know how to tablet)

The prophecy is not vague at all. It gives direct numbers as to the prophecy being met. Even a name (bush) as well as "two" jets and etc.

In all, the point of this post is about again, for the most part, how a single human being can have "visions" or "pictures" when that very human being have not seen a single object visually her entire life. (she was blind from birth).

Within science and Atheists on this forum, "dreams" as an example are said to be caused by memory recollection or muscle memory. In all, its speaking of "memory" being the very foundation of dreams that we have and etc.

But, as clearly seen here, the prophetess takes in accounts of defining shapes and names of the shapes when she has never seen anything her entire life. In this case, science falls flat here for the "conclusion" saying that dreams are done by our "brains".

I quoted a verse saying that Jesus comes as a lightning (electrons) and when we dream (have pictures when we dream) our electrons are doing the work.

The biblical scriptures state that dreams are being brought on by God, and in this case, this is the logical sense all viewers of this thread should take into account of being "logic", since science itself and it conclusion as to dreams have been exploited 100% here by a prophetess of God.

So this raises the question, and in accordance to science putting "dreams" as to memory and soley the brain, If one does NOT have memory of the visual, where is she getting the pictires from? The logical conclusion would be of another being, or God, hence she was identified as a prophetess.

From what I remember Joey, you were the one that put up a source of electrons being the factor or grounder of dreams long time ago. (Good going there, lol).

I would be more impressed if she had just told us what was going to happen. Something like, "The twin towers in New York will be knocked down by 2 jets in a terrorist attack on Sept 11 2001." But yeah, I guess she was close, what with the wolves and the bush and all.

Yep. God exists.

[Divine Insight]

Yep. God exists.

Don't forget the fellows who flew planes into those buildings did it precisely in the name of this very God.

Seems to me that this is proof positive that the God does not exist. All that exists are man-made religions and religious fanatics who use them to commit truly horrific acts in the name of their man-made Gods.

If any real God existed surely he would straighten up the absolute mess that his very own religion has become.

[TheTruth101]

Yep. God exists.

Don't forget the fellows who flew planes into those buildings did it precisely in the name of this very God.

Seems to me that this is proof positive that the God does not exist. All that exists are man-made religions and religious fanatics who use them to commit truly horrific acts in the name of their man-made Gods.

If any real God existed surely he would straighten up the absolute mess that his very own religion has become.

When the real issues here at hand are of "dreams" being brought on by God (Since it's proven here that MEMORY or BRAIN is NOT needed to have visual dreams), your post here indeed falls under Logical Fallacy.

Or, are you just trying to troll? (and btw, you deconverted to Athecism now?)

[Star]

Truth, this is another thread that doesn't make any sense.

What's the "big spoiler"? We've known about 9/11 for more than a decade.

[TheTruth101]

Truth, this is another thread that doesn't make any sense.

What's the "big spoiler"? We've known about 9/11 for more than a decade.

The spoiler is not about "prophecy" being made, but rather of the concluded statement of science saying "visual dreams" that we have comes from our memory and brain.

The prophetess here prophecised and and in which doing so, gave shapes and sizes of "objects"that we see. (wolves and bush and twin jets etc) When she was blind her whole entire life. She prophecised after she dreamt of recieving such visual revelations when she has NEVER SEEN ANYTHING her entire life.

So, the logical argument from science stating visual dreams equals memory and brains falls flat here, and if the visual dreams that we have are NOT from our memory or brain, (as in case with her) then it must come from another source or a being, which is God, again. Hence she was known and identified as a prophetess of God.

[TheTruth101]

Truth, this is another thread that doesn't make any sense.

What's the "big spoiler"? We've known about 9/11 for more than a decade.

She prophecised of the 9/11 events in 1989.

[Star]

I think I'm going to need my Truth101-to-English translator again.

I'm guessing that what you're saying is that because she's blind, she can't have dreams, which means God is real, you're right, and atheism and science are wrong again.

I'm thankful for your spoiler alert in the thread title because I'm floored by this revelation.

[TheTruth101]

I think I'm going to need my Truth101-to-English translator again.

I'm guessing that what you're saying is that because she's blind, she can't have dreams, which means God is real, you're right, and atheism and science are wrong again.

I'm thankful for your spoiler alert in the thread title because I'm floored by this revelation.

Science = claims visualisations (or pictures) that are involved when we dream comes from our "memory recollection"or, brain remembering past events which were captured by the EYES.

However,

Prophetess Vanga = Saw pictures and visualisations in dreams although she was blind (without eyes) from BIRTH and prophecised of such thing she SAW (although shes blind,again therefore "memory" having nothing to do with dreams as claimed by science). Therefore, dreams that we dream comes from another source, God.


Conclusion:

God is exists.

[Star]

Did she predict her husband would become an alcoholic and die at a relatively young age? Did she predict she would get breast cancer? No. She predicts wolves howling in the bush.

Something's howling alright and it isn't the wolves!

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 9:

The prophecy is not vague at all. It gives direct numbers as to the prophecy being met. Even a name (bush) as well as "two" jets and etc.

I propose that here in a spell folks are gonna do some stuff.

Have I now shown I know the future?

In all, the point of this post is about again, for the most part, how a single human being can have "visions" or "pictures" when that very human being have not seen a single object visually her entire life. (she was blind from birth).

As one who suffers from auditory hallucinations, I can attest to the idea that those hallucinations can be 'believed' to have something to do with the reality in which I find myself, or, they're just hallucinations, and any coincidence involved is just that.

Mine are somewhat particular, where this'n or that'n is "a-plottin' ag'in me". And don't it beat all, it becomes 'true' when I set into 'em for it, and there they are, they hafta do their plottin', 'cause here I sit, I'm a-doin' mine!

My situation is such that folks I meet, and they don't mean me the least harm, but I happen to "hear" that they do. I can meet an individual who is absolutely friendly, absolutely not seeking to cause me harm. But I "hear their voices". I hear them putting me down. I hear them, as they shake my hand in a warm welcome, declaring they set to do me harm.

I see 'em say, "How nice to meet you". But I hear 'em say, "I'm here to kill you".

I propose that these "seers of visions", these "hearers of sounds", may well suffer from the very conditions I know I do. That ain't to say they ain't good folks, but only to say that they, like me, ain't quite set to the best of it all.

That's a lesson I hope to really convince folks of. With mental disease, we don't always get to "see" what's going on. Those who are sound of mind, who have no 'demons', find it just unfathomable as all get out that such conditions occur. But they do. They do, and they're as 'real' as any reality those who maintain sanity may ever experience.

I propose that your 'prophetess' has encountered such a condition, where in her vagueness, she herself may look back and think all those 'voices' had it right. But such a condition, considering the vagueness (read multiple definitions thereof) of the language, indicates at best a coincidence, and at worst, a "true believer" (no slur, as I'm a 'true believer' in whatever it is I believe), thinking she's got it right.

Within science and Atheists on this forum, "dreams" as an example are said to be caused by memory recollection or muscle memory. In all, its speaking of "memory" being the very foundation of dreams that we have and etc.

I do agree that if presented as a statement of fact, even I may object here. I propose that we can only make reasonable conclusions and inferences in this, and the OP's regard.

With that in mind, I propose the conclusions presented in the OP are faulty, while agreeing that dreams are a certain reflection of memory, but that they may include the "unremembered" (garbled memories?) or "never did occur, but danged it I didn't just sit here and dream it".

I'm not of the belief that dreams are entirely a product of memory, though see nothing 'supernatural' about 'em.

I once dreamt I had sex with Letitia Casta. But dangitall, I can't convince her I did, and that that means she's my girl now, and what in heck is she doing with that loser.

But, as clearly seen here, the prophetess takes in accounts of defining shapes and names of the shapes when she has never seen anything her entire life. In this case, science falls flat here for the "conclusion" saying that dreams are done by our "brains".

It can't possibly be that this 'prophetess' ever touched her a bush, and then heard of man named after it, only he mighta not been as bright as one? Ever heard of aircraft? Ever heard of religious zealots doing their best to be all religiously zealotonous and all?

I quoted a verse saying that Jesus comes as a lightning (electrons) and when we dream (have pictures when we dream) our electrons are doing the work.

I can quote a verse about a cow jumping over the moon. That should not lead us to conclude the moon got all flummoxed when it did.

The biblical scriptures state that dreams are being brought on by God, and in this case, this is the logical sense all viewers of this thread should take into account of being "logic", since science itself and it conclusion as to dreams have been exploited 100% here by a prophetess of God.

I think your position here is perfectly fair, and I'll even go so far as to say it's logical as all get out (given a reasoned assessment of the data, but maybe the interpretation there got all fouled up). My issue here would be with the interpretation of this 'prophecy'. I notice that in every 'prophecy' I'm aware of, there's no really direct, incontrovertible statement.

So this raises the question, and in accordance to science putting "dreams" as to memory and soley the brain, If one does NOT have memory of the visual, where is she getting the pictires from? The logical conclusion would be of another being, or God, hence she was identified as a prophetess.

I find it highly unlikely that a blind person ain't had them some stuff described to 'em.

From what I remember Joey, you were the one that put up a source of electrons being the factor or grounder of dreams long time ago. (Good going there, lol).

I happen to think that electro-chemical reactions occur within the brain, and I'm willing to support that as a reasoned and logical notion.

I don't think it unfair at all that folks may consider that as me introducing 'electrons' into the mix. Honesty compels me to state I've never seen an electron that I know of, but find 'electrical theory' (if only my term) a compelling argument.

As Mr.Badham, in his Post 10, so to the point states, or states so to the point, in case I've created a condition of the dangling predicate...

I would be more impressed if she had just told us what was going to happen. Something like, "The twin towers in New York will be knocked down by 2 jets in a terrorist attack on Sept 11 2001." But yeah, I guess she was close, what with the wolves and the bush and all.

I note that we have in this 'prophecy' language that includes words with multiple meanings. And how proud are we, that we declare we know what a woman thinks? (no slur, as I contend they're complex entities, and all that entails, and a good bunch of 'em are just fun as all heck to be around)