Since Jesus could read and write in any language why didn't he write his own scriptures? He could have written a version in English on a indestructible material for people to find in say 1950.
Would have prevented a lot od difference in Christians beliefs.
Since Jesus could read and write in any language
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And the free will argument relating to his interaction with is us rubbish as well.
He spoke to Adam and Eve, Abraham, Noah, Moses, out of clouds and even arguably in the form of another human in Yeshua.
If violating our free will is the reason cited for not keeping his creation in the loop and making sure we understand what he wants, he's trespassed on it many, many times already.
He just seemed to stop some 2000 years ago for reasons known only to him and has left us to fend for ourselves.
And the free will argument relating to his interaction with is us rubbish as well.
He spoke to Adam and Eve, Abraham, Noah, Moses, out of clouds and even arguably in the form of another human in Yeshua.
If violating our free will is the reason cited for not keeping his creation in the loop and making sure we understand what he wants, he's trespassed on it many, many times already.
He just seemed to stop some 2000 years ago for reasons known only to him and has left us to fend for ourselves.
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Re: Since Jesus could read and write in any language
Post #12[quote="Donray"]
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What does what you wrote have to do with the question of Jesus being able to read and write in any language since he is God?
I tried to answer the theologically necessary implications of this reality, not inconsequentials of what language is important to HIM...
You haven't proven that the man Jesus acting as Divine, knew any particular language let alone all of them. You don't seem to be able to separated the man Jesus from the divine Christ...
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Peace, Ted
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What does what you wrote have to do with the question of Jesus being able to read and write in any language since he is God?
I tried to answer the theologically necessary implications of this reality, not inconsequentials of what language is important to HIM...
You haven't proven that the man Jesus acting as Divine, knew any particular language let alone all of them. You don't seem to be able to separated the man Jesus from the divine Christ...
[personal pejorative deleted and ignored]
Peace, Ted
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
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Yes and don't forget God's existence is just so obvious that we unbelievers are without excuse.Inigo Montoya wrote: [Replying to post 10 by OnceConvinced]
And the free will argument relating to his interaction with is us rubbish as well.
He spoke to Adam and Eve, Abraham, Noah, Moses, out of clouds and even arguably in the form of another human in Yeshua.
The whole freewill argument seems ludicrous to me too. So God's existence is obvious? That doesn't mean we're forced to listen to him or do whatever he wants. We still get to have our freewill. We still have to exhibit faith when it comes to actually believing he's a benevolent deity and what he says is actually true.
Reality trumps freewill, that's just the way it is. When something is obviously real you have to believe it. But we don't really call it a violation of our freewill. I don't say that because I know oxygen is real that my freewill is violated by having that knowledge. Nor is my freewill really violated by having to breath it as I could block off my supply if I really wanted to.
I figure the real reason for this was that people started getting fed with the lies. They wanted their record keepers to write what was real into their history books, not what was obvious fantasy.He just seemed to stop some 2000 years ago for reasons known only to him and has left us to fend for ourselves.
Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.
Prayer is like rubbing an old bottle and hoping that a genie will pop out and grant you three wishes.
There is much about this world that is mind boggling and impressive, but I see no need whatsoever to put it down to magical super powered beings.
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Re: Since Jesus could read and write in any language
Post #14How do you know what the point was? Can you provide evidence there IS a war by Satan? Can you provide evidence Satan exists? Can you make predictions regarding renderings and their interpretations that never occurred?ttruscott"]
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Preventing differences in Christian sects was never the point because with the war by Satan upon us and the truth, even one verse written exactly the same in every rendering of it would be interpreted a multitude of ways...
Unfounded speculation, and baseless. This is a uniquely spun interpretation which, as far as I can tell, is only held by you. As an aside, what need do the elect have to seek this god, if they're...already...elect...?There fore by allowing this situation to exist we can see that HE has a reason for doing it this way and that is to force HIS elect to seek HIM, not their own understanding of the Bible...especially since HE calls us to live by faith, not proof.
Again, entirely meaningless to anyone but yourself. You write as though you are not only an authority on the existence of one particular deity, but also have a direct line to its intentions and ultimate purpose.Just like HE allowed Satan to follow his heart in his treatment of the most perfect man on earth, Job, to prove he will always treat such people in a monstrous fashion, so to HE allows Satan and his disciples to mangle the gospel message to prove to the elect that his evil has no bounds agains the truth and will never cease.
If you like, I can just write. I can just say things. If I don't preface them with ''This is what I think is true, but I can't show it to be true,'' then maybe you can just accept it as informative in the same way you expect members here to accept the things you say.
Re: Since Jesus could read and write in any language
Post #15ttruscott wrote:OK, first off most Christians believe in the trinity that states Jesus is God and is the sprit god. Do you believe that Jesus is a separate deity, a common man, or what?Donray wrote:
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What does what you wrote have to do with the question of Jesus being able to read and write in any language since he is God?
I tried to answer the theologically necessary implications of this reality, not inconsequentials of what language is important to HIM...
You haven't proven that the man Jesus acting as Divine, knew any particular language let alone all of them. You don't seem to be able to separated the man Jesus from the divine Christ...
[personal pejorative deleted and ignored]
Peace, Ted
If like all Catholics and most other Christian religions that Jesus is God then Jesus knows everything that God knows. If you believe the God does not know everything then I guess Jesus/God could be illiterate.
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Re: Since Jesus could read and write in any language
Post #16I'm a Trinitarian but I accept the consensus of Christianity that while He was Jesus, GOD the Son never broke with his human nature to do or to know cultural impossibilities for Jesus. All His superior spiritual knowledge and HIS miracles came from His Father, not from His own divine being.Donray wrote:
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OK, first off most Christians believe in the trinity that states Jesus is God and is the sprit god. Do you believe that Jesus is a separate deity, a common man, or what?
If like all Catholics and most other Christian religions that Jesus is God then Jesus knows everything that God knows. If you believe the God does not know everything then I guess Jesus/God could be illiterate.
Peace, Ted
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
Re: Since Jesus could read and write in any language
Post #17So, you do not believe in the trinity and therefore do not worship Jesus since that would mean you worship other then the one god.ttruscott wrote:I'm a Trinitarian but I accept the consensus of Christianity that while He was Jesus, GOD the Son never broke with his human nature to do or to know cultural impossibilities for Jesus. All His superior spiritual knowledge and HIS miracles came from His Father, not from His own divine being.Donray wrote:
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OK, first off most Christians believe in the trinity that states Jesus is God and is the sprit god. Do you believe that Jesus is a separate deity, a common man, or what?
If like all Catholics and most other Christian religions that Jesus is God then Jesus knows everything that God knows. If you believe the God does not know everything then I guess Jesus/God could be illiterate.
Peace, Ted
The trinity was established by the Catholic religion to explain how there is only one god and that Jesus is a complete part of the one god. that is, there is no difference between God, Jesus and the holly sprit. They are all the one god.
So, you do not accept the main tenant of the Christian religion.
See http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm
Where Jesus is God and therefore knows everything that God knows. Hence you are wrong and Jesus could read and write every language and future language.
If you disagree with the definition of trinity in the web site then could you please define your idea of the trinity.
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Re: Since Jesus could read and write in any language
Post #18I think I'll quit this conversation - I find it too, ahhhhh, confusing...
PCE Theology as I see it...
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
We had an existence with a free will in Sheol before the creation of the physical universe. Here we chose to be able to become holy or to be eternally evil in YHWH's sight. Then the physical universe was created and all sinners were sent to earth.
This theology debunks the need to base Christianity upon the blasphemy of creating us in Adam's sin.
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Post #19So do I find you confusing. You said that Jesus is not God. Yet if you believe the trinity you must believe Jesus is God. God is fully Jesus and Jesus is fully God and the same for a Holly Sprit.
So, I will ask again is the trinity true? If so then Jesus knew/knows everything which includes the ability to write and read and language and would also know all future languages.
I like how a Christian quits when they cannot explain themselves.
When did Jesus become God? Jesus could not separate himself from being God according to the trinity.
I guess you cannot explain the trinity.
