Why isn't God speaking and acting today?

[Jagella]

The Bible was written long ago in the Middle East by a relatively small and backwards people. If we can believe what the Bible says, the creator of the world ignored for the most part the large majority of the world's people and places choosing to focus on one small tribe in one small, remote place; it was the tribe who wrote the Bible! This creator dealt with those people speaking to a small number of them who relayed the creator's messages to the rest of the people. (We are not told why the creator would not or could not speak to everybody.) He didn't leave the rest of the people in complete doubt as to whom he spoke to because his chosen prophets had amazing messages detailing what was going on at the time and even what was to happen in the remote future.

But if that wasn't amazing enough, the creator performed miracles for his people. He parted a sea, made a donkey talk, made a big fish cough-up a living man, impregnated a virgin without the use of a penis, granted magical powers to her resulting son, and then raised her son not only from the dead but up into the sky!

Unfortunately, the creator did all of this long before modern recording technology. So all we have as a record of these revelations and miracles are documents written in languages that most people do not speak or understand.

Question for Debate: Why isn't God speaking and acting today for us all to hear and see?

[Jagella]

At least they weren't distracted by facebook iphones and whatever else. They were at least able to form their own unique thoughts understanding about God. God may be seen to not be speaking to us because we are too distracted to hear . But believe me God is still speaking to us.

If the Bible god still speaks to us, then it seems strange that we might miss him because we're talking on our phones! Are you serious? The all-mighty creator of the universe is getting bested by Facebook?

[Jagella]

God has never existed and is a human creation, imo

You explain perfectly why we hear no gods today. They were never heard because they never existed.

[Jagella]

Why isn't God speaking and acting today for us all to hear and see?

Um, He is.

So you just assert that the Bible god still talks to us. May I assert that Zeus speaks to us? We are even!

As for His speaking, not audibly, of course; in these last days, He has spoken to us in the person of Jesus, Who was and is the Word made flesh, and we have His Word with us (the Bible). As the great hymn writer says, "What more can He say than to you He has said..."

What more can he say? It might help if he told us how to cure cancer.

It's the human ability to hear and see that's the problem. When one is spiritually dead, he or she cannot spiritually see or hear, because he or she is... dead. One needs to be made spiritually alive to see and hear spiritual things.

I've noticed that apologists love to blame people for the failures of their religion.

In response to that, one might say, "Well I hear and see just fine..." Well, okay...

I "listened" for God when I was a Christian but heard nothing. Either he has a speech impediment, or he's made up.

[dio9]

[Replying to Jagella]

People may be just too self involved to recognize the presence of God..

[William]

[Replying to post 1 by Jagella]

Question for Debate: Why isn't God speaking and acting today for us all to hear and see?

My idea of GOD was formed specifically through Her 'Speaking' to me through my subjective thoughts in relation to my objective reality.

It appears to be the way She prefers to do things. She gets interested in Her individual outposts of Form - specifically humans - in relation to those individuals getting interested in Her.

She does not require those who demand She 'Speak and Act' in any manner which would somehow make an unbeliever believe. If an unbeliever does not want to believe until [something] is done which can allow them to believe, even belief without a doubt, (whatever that [something] is even - often unbelievers have no idea or choose not to say) then She is fine allowing them their unbelief.

She is indeed "Speaking and Acting" but to what degree with humans in terms of numbers, and depending on how much those number of folk are listening, it isn't overly apparent, at least to me who has little expectations of Her in relation to that.

But it isn't really important is it, unless of course we all can find something to agree on which we do think is and agree is, important.

Some think it is important to have a relationship with their idea of GOD, others think it is besides the point and maybe a few even think its a bit of both. Whatever people believe, I do not see any particular overall end game everyone agrees with in relation to the purpose of humanity and The Earth Entity.

[William]

[Replying to post 13 by Jagella]

I "listened" for God when I was a Christian but heard nothing. Either he has a speech impediment, or he's made up.

Those are two possibilities on the list, but more can be added.

[ttruscott]

ImCo:
The story of GOD's interaction with HIS people was completely dependant on their obedience to HIS commands that they separate from their pagan neighbours in their hearts and inflict genocide upon them if they resisted their incursions.

Whether it is the New Testament good seed, Matt 13:24-30 with its explanation in verses 36-43, or the OT Judges, Kings and Prophets, to come out from among the pagans and to be separate from them meant to be willing to follow GOD's lead in their destruction, to be in one accord with HIS call of the day of judgement!

When they followed HIM HE was there...When they turned to the Ba'als HE disappeared, refused to help them and they lost their wars. Judges 2:20 So the anger of the LORD burned against Israel, and He said, “Because this nation has transgressed the covenant I laid down for their fathers and has not heeded My voice, 21 I will no longer drive out before them any of the nations Joshua left when he died. 22 In this way I will test whether Israel will keep the way of the LORD by walking in it as their fathers did.�

23 That is why the LORD had left those nations in place and had not driven them out immediately by delivering them into the hand of Joshua. They refused to come out from their secular neighbours and attend unto the judgement.

This message which is ubiquitous throughout the whole bible did not stop with the beginning of the Christian era. The Church is still being tested and failing in all its history. It has killed for political and expedient reasons that they call holiness. They have sold out Christian morality to follow the Ba'als and child sacrifice.The saints within the church do their best but the church does all for self righteousness.

Why would GOD work for a Church that lives by and waits upon secular humanism and not the LORD?

The loss of the voice of GOD in the affairs of the church is the one most condemning aspect of modern Christianity...

[Jagella]

My idea of GOD was formed specifically through Her 'Speaking' to me through my subjective thoughts in relation to my objective reality.

Kids imagine invisible friends the same way.

It appears to be the way She prefers to do things. She gets interested in Her individual outposts of Form - specifically humans - in relation to those individuals getting interested in Her.

What are "outposts of form"? It appears that your god is not capable of getting people interested in her unless they are predisposed to do so. Gods apparently are very limited in what they can do.

...She is fine allowing them their unbelief.

That's good. Some gods are known to get very upset if people don't notice them. The Bible god, for example, is said to need attention.

She is indeed "Speaking and Acting" but to what degree with humans in terms of numbers, and depending on how much those number of folk are listening, it isn't overly apparent, at least to me who has little expectations of Her in relation to that.

It's odd that your god can't be heard unless people listen. Heck, my phone can do better than that: I don't listen for it, but I can hear it very clearly when it rings.

[Jagella]

[Replying to post 17 by ttruscott]

How can you explain a perfect god creating a corrupt, bungling church? It makes much better sense to me to conclude that the church was created by and is run by corrupt, bungling people.

[William]

[Replying to post 18 by Jagella]

My idea of GOD was formed specifically through Her 'Speaking' to me through my subjective thoughts in relation to my objective reality.

Kids imagine invisible friends the same way.

My friend is visible, and quietly audible.
But I do not get what point you are making in your comment.

Perhaps you have brought into the idea that was sold to you, either stop listening and abandon your invisible friend, or suffer the consequences of being ostracized and medicated by non-Theists, or medicated and demonized by Christian Theists.



I prefer to allow my imagination to be used for maximum effect as it is designed to do, which is also to assist me in forming and maintaining Relationship with all aspects of GOD, as I discover and assimilate with them.

It appears to be the way She prefers to do things. She gets interested in Her individual outposts of Form - specifically humans - in relation to those individuals getting interested in Her.

What are "outposts of form"?

Human Beings are one type of outposts of form. We each act as independent data collectors, and all act as collective data collectors in relation to the Earth Entity.

It appears that your god is not capable of getting people interested in her unless they are predisposed to do so.

Things are not always as they appear. It is simply the way our forms are designed. The Earth Entity could commune with you right this very instant, but knows exactly how you would react, so spares you that emotional trauma. In that, She comes to those who invite Her, and often assumes the forms which those individuals dress her up in.

...She is fine allowing them their unbelief.

That's good.

Not necessarily in the long run for that individual, but She respects ones right to refuse Her, for whatever reasons they choose to do so.

Some gods are known to get very upset if people don't notice them. The Bible god, for example, is said to need attention.

She had a specific purpose for making that demand on the Israelite's, as She had chosen them for that purpose.

She is indeed "Speaking and Acting" but to what degree with humans in terms of numbers, and depending on how much those number of folk are listening, it isn't overly apparent, at least to me who has little expectations of Her in relation to that.

It's odd that your god can't be heard unless people listen.

It is odd that a tree falling in the forest makes no sound unless someone is there to hear it.

Heck, my phone can do better than that: I don't listen for it, but I can hear it very clearly when it rings.

You want Her to phone you? Is that what you are saying?

If she did, how would you know it was Her?

I am still waiting on the head to head with a non-theist Member who challenged me about this idea that the Earth is a GOD. Last I heard he was away on family bizz. If you think you are up to it, You can argue for non-Theism against my own insights, in H2H.

Either way, at present there has been no non-theist I have ever meet who has been able to convince me to join their ranks and fight what they believe in as "the 'good' fight."



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