It's Beginning to Feel a Lot Like Mithras

[SallyF]

The Christian-Jewish propaganda does NOT say anything about celebrating the Divine Leader's birthday. We were only instructed to pretend to eat his flesh and drink his blood, for example.

I propose that Christianity has been a fraud from the very start.

Is stealing the birthdays of other supposed god-men part of the fraudulence ?

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 1 by SallyF]

Zoroaster was not a God. He was a prophet. His God was known to him by the name Ahura Mazda. Bjs has alluded to some, I wonder what other inaccuracies are in the list you cite?

[bjs]

[Replying to Zzyzx]

I was using short-hand to simplify things. The formal Mass came later, but associating Jesus birth with December 25 was much earlier. The association with that date is clearly the more important aspect of this argument. Dwelling on the distention seems like pointless pedantry.

[SallyF]

[Replying to post 1 by SallyF]

Zoroaster was not a God. He was a prophet. His God was known to him by the name Ahura Mazda. Bjs has alluded to some, I wonder what other inaccuracies are in the list you cite?

Is stealing the birthdays of other supposed god-men part of the fraudulence ?

[SallyF]

[Replying to Zzyzx]

I was using short-hand to simplify things. The formal Mass came later, but associating Jesus birth with December 25 was much earlier. The association with that date is clearly the more important aspect of this argument. Dwelling on the distention seems like pointless pedantry.

Is stealing the birthdays of other supposed god-men part of the fraudulence ?

[bjs]

[Replying to Zzyzx]

I was using short-hand to simplify things. The formal Mass came later, but associating Jesus birth with December 25 was much earlier. The association with that date is clearly the more important aspect of this argument. Dwelling on the distention seems like pointless pedantry.

Is stealing the birthdays of other supposed god-men part of the fraudulence ?

See post five.

[SallyF]

[Replying to Zzyzx]

I was using short-hand to simplify things. The formal Mass came later, but associating Jesus birth with December 25 was much earlier. The association with that date is clearly the more important aspect of this argument. Dwelling on the distention seems like pointless pedantry.

Is stealing the birthdays of other supposed god-men part of the fraudulence ?

See post five.

I suppose that we could accuse the worshipers of Mithra of stealing the birthday of Jesus. Personally, I would want to see some clear evidence that this was intentional fraudulence before making the accusation.

I always find a delightful irony in Christians asking for evidence for things other than evidence for biblical fantasy.

Nonetheless, I posed a question here.

I did not make a direct accusation.

You could have demonstrated that Christianity is in no way fraudulent.

But you didn't.

You could have demonstrated that the Jesus character was a real god-man and all the others were just make-believe.

But you didn't.

You could have demonstrated that the Jesus character had primacy when it came to birthday celebrations around the Winter Solstice.

But you didn't.

You could have acknowledged that the Catholic Church itself acknowledges "pagan" (I prefer "traditional indigenous") origins for the un-birthday of their Divine Leader.

But you didn't.

And our very good friends in the Watchtower acknowledge the same.

It sure looks to me like the Christian elves have stolen the Mithras presents.

Happy Holidays ...!

[bjs]

Nonetheless, I posed a question here.

I did not make a direct accusation.

Your direct accusation, stated in your opening post, was:
I propose that Christianity has been a fraud from the very start.

The only evidence that you provided for this proposal was a list of other gods supposedly born on December 25. The entire list was false.

You could have demonstrated that the Jesus character had primacy when it came to birthday celebrations around the Winter Solstice.

But you didn't.

It has been demonstrated, repeatedly. You have no attempted to respond yet.
See my response in post 2 and post 7. Also see Mithraes response in post 6.

[SallyF]

Nonetheless, I posed a question here.

I did not make a direct accusation.

Your direct accusation, stated in your opening post, was:
I propose that Christianity has been a fraud from the very start.

The only evidence that you provided for this proposal was a list of other gods supposedly born on December 25. The entire list was false.

You could have demonstrated that the Jesus character had primacy when it came to birthday celebrations around the Winter Solstice.

But you didn't.

It has been demonstrated, repeatedly. You have no attempted to respond yet.
See my response in post 2 and post 7. Also see Mithraes response in post 6.

My every thread demonstrates the fraudulence of Christianity.

In this specific thread

Both the Roman Catholic Church and the Jehovah's Witness Church acknowledge that their Jesus character does NOT have primacy on the Holiday season.

Gods and god-men and solstice celebrations were around LONG before the Christian creator of the universe burst out through the hymen of the Blessed Virgin Mary.

[SallyF]

The Pyramid Texts (c. 2400"2300 BC) describe the nature of the pharaoh in different characters as both Horus and Osiris. Macrobius' Chronicon noted the annual ancient Egyptian celebration of Horus, specifying the time as the winter solstice. An analysis of the works of Epiphanius of Salamis noted the Egyptian winter solstice celebration of Horus in Panarion.[34] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus#Inf ... ristianity

Given that the biblical "Flood" can be dated to exactly 2348 BCE, we have a number of problems for the non-fraudulence of Christianity.

Specifically for this topic

The propagandists for the Jesus character say NOTHING of celebrating his birthday.

Gods and god-men and solstice celebrations were around LONG before the Star of Bethlehem scurried around the Middle East.

Christianity is full of fraudulence and themes stolen from traditional cultures

In my view .

A whiff of the evidence I keep asking for would demonstrate otherwise.



This guy was celebrated at the Winter Solstice WAY before the magical Jesus character's propagandists didn't mention celebrating their supposedly Divine Leader at that season.

Obvious explanation ...

Later Christians stole the celebration.

Which is what Jehovah's Witnesses and the Roman Catholic Church and numerous others tell us ... without using the word "stole".

[bjs]

The Pyramid Texts (c. 2400"2300 BC) describe the nature of the pharaoh in different characters as both Horus and Osiris. Macrobius' Chronicon noted the annual ancient Egyptian celebration of Horus, specifying the time as the winter solstice. An analysis of the works of Epiphanius of Salamis noted the Egyptian winter solstice celebration of Horus in Panarion.[34] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horus#Inf ... ristianity

Given that the biblical "Flood" can be dated to exactly 2348 BCE, we have a number of problems for the non-fraudulence of Christianity.

The Pyramid Texts do not mention the birth date of Horus or Osiris.

The article which you site states Some have suggested that there are many similarities between the story of Horus and the much posterior story of Jesus. However, this has been refuted by both Christian and non-Christian scholars.

Your own source refutes your claim.

A whiff of the evidence I keep asking for would demonstrate otherwise.

The evidence has been provided, repeatedly. Your proposal has been demonstrated to be false, and you have not yet attempted to address the evidence directly.

Which is what Jehovah's Witnesses and the Roman Catholic Church and numerous others tell us ... without using the word "stole".

I was unaware that the Roman Catholic Church had an official stance on this. Which council or papal edict established this, and what exactly did it say?