Should Christ have done more?

[marco]

In many ways Christ is an embarrassment. I was thinking that if he were around in the present pandemic he would have done absolutely nothing about it. Instead of thundering on the earthly scene with challenges for Rome and large-scale improvements in man's way of living, he helped John smith with his sore ear and Mary Jane with her eye trouble. He had a kind of pop festival where he sang to the crowds and gave them free food for listening. Given the chance to show the world his divine passport he said, presumably to a grin from Pilate, "I have some private soldiers waiting in the sky, so watch out."

He's muddle- headed - "I'll die and come back with a knife, sitting on a cloud." What for? Had he said - "maybe in 2000 years time" his listeners would have laughed.

So - what is Christ's great legacy? The stuff we have is the Christmas wrapping paper of the Church - nothing inside it.

Is Christ a small man magnified by the Church?

If he really was divine, why did he not perform on a bigger stage instead of, say, catching lots of fish and saying they came from God?

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 1 by marco]

"Should Christ have done more"?

If Jesus was God, then yes he should have. But since it is likely he was not, it seems he did what he could to alleviate human suffering, with the healings (that is if they did indeed actually happen in some way). And also with his ministry to the outcast and downtrodden, making them realize they were beloved of God. And also helping them to believe in the Father's mercy.

[SallyF]

In many ways Christ is an embarrassment.

So - what is Christ's great legacy? The stuff we have is the Christmas wrapping paper of the Church - nothing inside it.

Is Christ a small man magnified by the Church?

If he really was divine, why did he not perform on a bigger stage instead of, say, catching lots of fish and saying they came from God?

If the Jesus character from Christian-Jewish propaganda really HAD been sired by the Holy Ghost …

And had THIS happen to announce the happy event …






Then he SHOULD have left an angel or two on this planet to obviate all the doubt and derision …

While he went and assembled the rest of his private army of angels to come back down to the floor of the Genesis One Dome of Heaven to exterminate non-Christians.

But because there is ZERO evidence down here of a real Jesus character …

Folks like me are left with no alternative than to propose we are dealing with make-believe that turns into apparent reality through Sunday school brainwashing.

So YES …

He should have done more.

He didn't.

He looks like a fraud.

Which - as is regularly pointed out - is why he was thrown out of his home town and eventually strung up.

But brainwashing and propaganda seem to convince certain minds otherwise.

[neverknewyou]

In many ways Christ is an embarrassment. I was thinking that if he were around in the present pandemic he would have done absolutely nothing about it. Instead of thundering on the earthly scene with challenges for Rome and large-scale improvements in man's way of living, he helped John smith with his sore ear and Mary Jane with her eye trouble. He had a kind of pop festival where he sang to the crowds and gave them free food for listening. Given the chance to show the world his divine passport he said, presumably to a grin from Pilate, "I have some private soldiers waiting in the sky, so watch out."

He's muddle- headed - "I'll die and come back with a knife, sitting on a cloud." What for? Had he said - "maybe in 2000 years time" his listeners would have laughed.

So - what is Christ's great legacy? The stuff we have is the Christmas wrapping paper of the Church - nothing inside it.

Is Christ a small man magnified by the Church?

If he really was divine, why did he not perform on a bigger stage instead of, say, catching lots of fish and saying they came from God?

Christ's great legacy is the major religion that followed, however, all the credit might belong to the authors of the NT and the religious leaders that made use of them.

[Willum]

Nice topic, it gets some thinking, and others retreating.

But yes, just think of what he could have done.
"Yea verily, but by placing the blood of a calf afflicted with their own pox, on the cut of your own child you may save them from the small."

"When you sicken with the flux, go out and grow mold of the sort on your bread, kill that mold with wine and drink the mixture, and your health shall return."

Two very prosaic ways Jesus could have saved humanity instead of waiting for Flemming and Jenner to arrive on the scene, had he actually possessed divine omknowledge.

So, yes, it is trivial how a Christ, were he real, could have done more and more good.
I say this, and I am not even divine.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by marco]

"Should Christ have done more"?

If Jesus was God, then yes he should have.

So you believe God should have done more? If so how do you reconcile that with worship of Him? Would it be fair to say you worship God despite being dispappointed at Almighty Gods ineptitude and misjudgements?

[1213]

…Stories as evidence aren’t particularly compelling. And opinions of stories - even less so.

Can you explain why atheist then write opinion about the stories here?

[Clownboat]

…Stories as evidence aren’t particularly compelling. And opinions of stories - even less so.

Can you explain why atheist then write opinion about the stories here?

Is it not rude to quote a statement posed of you, but to then ignore it and ask a totally different questions as a distraction and expect to be answered?

I for one am curious about the statements.
"Stories as evidence aren't particularly compelling". I would assume you agree with this. If not, I'll point to a story about Paul Bunyan.

Some persons opinion about the story of Paul Bunyan is even less compelling, do you not agree?

Answer these questions and you will better understand those who do not share your particular religious beliefs. If having your beliefs is all that matters, then carry on as you are.

[Red Wolf]

The Hebrew Scriptures told a lot about the Messiah.

According to OT prophecies the Messiah’s arrival would usher in the end of sin, the end of suffering, peace and tranquility, one creed and one religion, one kingdom and one king, the resurrection of the dead, the abolishment of idolatry and false prophets, the gathering of the ten tribes of Israel, the building of the future temple, etc. etc. etc.

But Jesus didn’t bring about any of these world changes.
So is Jesus a false Messiah? A false Christ?

Christians say that Jesus will perform all the Messianic world changes when he comes a second time.

But how can we have confidence that Jesus will perform with the second coming? What’s his performance record so far?

Has Jesus fulfilled any of the Messianic promises with his First Coming?
Did Jesus provide us with any prophecies for the benefit of mankind that he has fulfilled?

If you can’t positively answer these questions with substantial accomplishments that we can all see for ourselves, then perhaps you have faith in a delusion.

[Willum]

[Replying to 1213]

Because they are criticizing the “I thinks� and the “I believe�s and the ignorance-exposing questions associated with theists.

How else can one address opinions, but with opinions?
Now if you (pl) had anything other than “I think�s or “I believe�s or succeeded in addressing a topic, far less of these would occur.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 1 by marco]

"Should Christ have done more"?

If Jesus was God, then yes he should have.

So you believe God should have done more? If so how do you reconcile that with worship of Him? Would it be fair to say you worship God despite being dispappointed at Almighty Gods ineptitude and misjudgements?

No that is not fair the way you characterize my devotion to God. The "ineptitude" comment is your characterization, not my position.

I'm questioning the notion that Jesus is God, not God Himself. If Jesus was indeed God and went around performing miracles of healings, etc, it is fair game to wonder why he didn't do more, as the OP suggests.

On the other hand, considering that Jesus is not God, it is remarkable (miraculous?) what he did achieve.