What Is The Apologetic For Cognitive Dissonance?

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What Is The Apologetic For Cognitive Dissonance?

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In the field of psychology, cognitive dissonance occurs when a person holds two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values, or participates in an action that goes against one of these three, and experiences psychological stress because of that. According to this theory, when two actions or ideas are not psychologically consistent with each other, people do all in their power to change them until they become consistent. The discomfort is triggered by the person's belief clashing with new information perceived, wherein they try to find a way to resolve the contradiction to reduce their discomfort.

In A Theory of Cognitive Dissonance (1957), Leon Festinger proposed that human beings strive for internal psychological consistency to function mentally in the real world. A person who experiences internal inconsistency tends to become psychologically uncomfortable and is motivated to reduce the cognitive dissonance. They tend to make changes to justify the stressful behavior, either by adding new parts to the cognition causing the psychological dissonance or by avoiding circumstances and contradictory information likely to increase the magnitude of the cognitive dissonance.

Coping with the nuances of contradictory ideas or experiences is mentally stressful. It requires energy and effort to sit with those seemingly opposite things that all seem true. Festinger argued that some people would inevitably resolve dissonance by blindly believing whatever they wanted to believe.
According to Christian theology, God desires for people to make the freewill decision to believe he exists and be in a loving relationship with him. Once people freely choose to accept Christ as their one true Lord and savior, the Holy Spirit is claimed to descend upon them to reveal the truth of Christianity in such a way that it is undeniable. Consequently, we would expect cognitive dissonance to never occur in Christians if their sincere belief is true. Nevertheless, one of the primary functions of apologetics is help Christians suppress the cognitive dissonance they routinely experience.

Once the truth of Christianity is divinely revealed to people by the Holy Spirit, it should be impossible for these Christians to hold two or more contradictory beliefs, ideas, or values. After all, their freewill choice to trust the word of God and acknowledge Jesus's sacrifice for their sins will have satisfied God's criteria for granting them the gift of salvation. As such, we expect there should be no theological purpose for God not to insulate his true Christian followers from experiencing cognitive dissonance now that he has assured their place in his kingdom.

At the very least, if Christianity is true, any secular beliefs that would seem to contradict Biblical beliefs should not be more compelling to a true Christian. However, the fact that Christians routinely experience cognitive dissonance demonstrates that the secular beliefs are often more persuasive than the Biblical beliefs they seem to contradict. Otherwise, we would expect an inability for those secular beliefs to routinely elicit experiences of cognitive dissonance in true Christians.

So, what are the apologetic arguments for why apologetics is needed to help true Christians suppress the cognitive dissonance they routinely experience given the aforementioned considerations? Why does apologetics not become obsolete after people become true Christians, but instead, it remains an essential tool for suppressing the cognitive dissonance they routinely experience?

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Re: What Is The Apologetic For Cognitive Dissonance?

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bluegreenearth wrote: ...However, the fact that Christians routinely experience cognitive dissonance ...
Please tell what cognitive dissonance I have?
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Thomas Mc Donald wrote: The most obvious example of cognitive dissonance is the modern human rejection of the God concept. To maintain this psychological position despite our expanding cosmic knowledge requires a subjective obtuseness that must necessitate constant reinforcement and maintenance. Imho.
Considering the direction opinions have been moving, I'd think it would be the other way around; the more we know about the cosmos, the harder it is to simultaneously maintain a conventional Christian belief. If the situation were as you suggest, then more people would be becoming Christian as that would be a pretty straightforward way of resolving the dissonance. What we see instead is that more people are moving away from theistic positions in general and Christianity in particular.

To look at it another way, if what you suggest is true, but people are moving away from Christianity anyway, then there must be something creating even more of a dissonance opposite to the one you suggest.

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Hello Difflugia,

Thomas Mc Donald wrote:
The most obvious example of cognitive dissonance is the modern human rejection of the God concept. To maintain this psychological position despite our expanding cosmic knowledge requires a subjective obtuseness that must necessitate constant reinforcement and maintenance. Imho.

Not specifically Christianity, unless it becomes relevant by definition of the highlighted part. I mean theism, or the acceptance and embracing of God's presence, regardless of the various subjective presentations of God worship that exist.
I associate cognitive dissonance with a rejection of this concept's underlying reality..the presence of God.

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Thomas Mc Donald wrote:Not specifically Christianity, unless it becomes relevant by definition of the highlighted part. I mean theism, or the acceptance and embracing of God's presence, regardless of the various subjective presentations of God worship that exist.

I associate cognitive dissonance with a rejection of this concept's underlying reality..the presence of God.
Maybe I'm just missing what you're saying. Why do you think rejecting God is dissonant with what we know about the Cosmos? I've never found that to be true, so I'm having a hard time projecting that onto others.

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Difflugia wrote: I've never found that to be true, so I'm having a hard time projecting that onto others.
Projecting that onto others seems to be the right phrase for this thread.

I see no merit in Thomass suggestion that non-theists experience cognitive dissonance when they reject the concept of God. Most non-theists genuinely believe that God most likely does not exist.

Bluegreenearths central premise in this thread " that Christians regularly experience cognitive dissonance and that apologists primary function is to suppress that cognitive dissonance " is equally without merit. Most Christians, and most theists in general, genuinely believe that God most likely exists and created this world.

The accusation from both sides that the other is, or must be, experiencing cognitive dissonance is little more than projection and wishful thinking. On both accounts it is entirely divorced from reality.
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Difflugia wrote:
Thomas Mc Donald wrote:Not specifically Christianity, unless it becomes relevant by definition of the highlighted part. I mean theism, or the acceptance and embracing of God's presence, regardless of the various subjective presentations of God worship that exist.

I associate cognitive dissonance with a rejection of this concept's underlying reality..the presence of God.
Maybe I'm just missing what you're saying. Why do you think rejecting God is dissonant with what we know about the Cosmos? I've never found that to be true, so I'm having a hard time projecting that onto others.
bjs: I see no merit in Thomass suggestion that non-theists experience cognitive dissonance when they reject the concept of God

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I have abbreviated my username and apologize for any confusion. I will make a submission today to support my declaration. I disagree with the hypothesis that apologetics act as a method of cognitive dissonancing for theists except in a naturally occurring enquiry role. They do believe in the God concept .

What I will argue is that this is the obvious default position to begin from in light of the latest Cosmic discoveries and that the modern mind rejecting this concept must by necessity undergo a continuous regime of reconditioning to repair the cognitive dissonancing requirements needed to maintain this , abnormal , cognitive response to the facts!

Many atheists seek atheistic conviction, through constant considerations of the minutia of the specific representations of the God concept, and the 'perceived' flaws that they self-discover within same. Isn't this a natural necessity of an atypical position, and an easy method to boot. This dissonancing often takes the form of single combat versions of " Your God does not exist because......."

I wish to structure my upcoming argument to allow it be dissected with as little ambiguity as is possible for this perhaps contentious personal assertion.

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I submit these preliminary considerations as a prelude to my upcoming post in an effort to reduce the length of same.

The reason I'm making Star Wars is that I want to give young people some sort of faraway exotic environment for their imaginations to run around in, he said in an interview. I have a strong feeling about interesting kids in space exploration. I want them to want it. I want them to get beyond the basic stupidities of the moment and think about colonizing Venus and Mars. And the only way it's going to happen is to have some dumb kid fantasize about it " to get his ray gun, jump in his ship and run off with this wookie into outer space. It's our only hope in a way."
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Isaiah 40:28 - Hast thou not known? hast thou not heard, [that] the everlasting God, the LORD, the Creator of the ends of the earth, fainteth not, neither is weary? [there is] no searching of his understanding

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Our lives are ordinary and real. We require food, shelter, and security to reach any level of basic living. We have what we need to do this successfully.

Generation after generation, we learn more about the nature of the cosmos. In a process from Galileo, through Hubble and on to the James Webb telescope we have, and will have, undisputed photographic footage of the Cosmos containing our planet.

There are galaxies that are so far away from us that their cosmic light presence will never reach us. Is there a Cosmos of Cosmoses? Who can know? Is there a number or a scale to cosmic expansion? No!

There is, however, a sectional scale that obviously and actually refers to us and to life on this planet! We either accept these realities or we apply cognitive distancing techniques in order to massage our understandings towards a subjective sense of cohesion.

Theism has been announcing the magnitude and range of God for many millenia. Theists accept a reality that is beyond the abilities of human comprehension.

"All in all, Hubble reveals an estimated 100 billion galaxies in the universe or so, but this number is likely to increase to about 200 billion as telescope technology in space improves,"

Do you know what a galaxy is?

We cannot even begin to comprehend our own Milky Way.
With our spy glasses, we have found something that we cannot logically ignore. We need to call it God and explore it's direct relevance to us.

We will never ever explore God in anything even remotely resembling an approximation. What theism attempts to do is put cognitive shape on Gods reality with reference to ourselves.
Denial of the actuality of human limits, is to attempt the cognitive construction of a black hole within our cognitive logic. It is like making a hole in the sand with the tide coming in. It requires the constant maintenance that is cognitive dissonance.

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Space is not the final frontier. Space is the great unknown and will remain as this.

We have squandered resources and time to get to this scientific point. Surely we are not contemplating anything resembling space colonization.
Imagine the immediate and local capabilities that a technological crusade with this intent would have on our everyday lives. We are running out of capability and we will obliterate ourselves in folly.

Theists are often rightly accused of sacrificing the immediate for the long game.Isn't this exactly what is happening with this long range nontheistic project.
Is it logical for a people, living comfortably at the edge of a vast and unchartered desert, to embark on a search for a projected oasis. Surely abandon hopeless curiosity and apply your focus on the immediate!

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Friedrich Nietzsche

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Beyond_ ... horism_146

"And when you gaze long into an abyss the abyss also gazes into you."

What an intellect!

Our spy glasses into the Cosmos have given all of us, new insights into God, which we need to internalize and deal with.

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