Why do you care if people believe your god tales?

[Zzyzx]

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Why do you care if people believe your god tales?

From a current thread:

Holding a negative view of atheists seems to be a requirement to bolster up some theologies. Holding a realistic view would cause to many cherished doctrines to crash to the ground.

"It is all a big conspiracy. The five percent (5%) who are Atheists are ganged up against we seventy percent (70%) who are Christians -- and they have a bunch of smart people and scientists on their side."

Of course, the spread of non-belief threatens the livelihood and status of preachers. But, why does it seem to so upset everyday believers? Does disbelief of others affect their own beliefs?

[Divine Insight]

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Why do you care if people believe your god tales?

"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3

I want to see people live and to help those that want the help. That's why I care.

The problem is that this doesn't work. It makes absolutely no sense at all. In fact, this actually implies that you care more about people than God does. After all, if God is going to condemn someone, and you get through to them to save them, then you would have been the cause of someone being saved who God would have otherwise condemned.

This whole approach is nothing more than an exclamation that you don't trust God to do the right thing without your intervention. This is why evangelism in general makes absolutely no sense at all.

It's the same reason we have tornado, hurricane, earthquake, flash flood warning systems. Somebody cared enough about people to put these things in place. Yet, those sounding the warning are there to help others that want it, to inform them on how to survive and yet not to convince them. The warning is in the hope that people will take the necessary precautions to survive what is coming.

And this analogy that you have given only demonstrates the truth of what I just said above.

Now you are comparing a your heartless uncaring God with tornadoes, hurricanes, earthquakes, flash floods, etc.

People need to be warned of those things because those thing will harm people who don't deserve to be harmed.

Is that the correct analogy of your God?

If not, then you better re-think your analogies.

Saving me from a mindless natural disaster is one thing.

Trying to save me from being condemned by a supposedly loving and righteous God would be something entirely different.

In fact, why should a loving righteous God be out to condemn me in the first place?

And if I deserve to be saved couldn't this righteous God save me without YOUR help?

Any God who needs your help to save people is an incompetent God that no one could trust.

And as your analogy reveals, you apparently view your God as being no better than mindless natural disasters.

It's a terrible analogy.

[2timothy316]

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Why do you care if people believe your god tales?

"This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ." John 17:3

I want to see people live and to help those that want the help. That's why I care.

The problem is that this doesn't work. It makes absolutely no sense at all. In fact, this actually implies that you care more about people than God does.

Was the question why does [God] care? No. The question was "Why do you care". It doesn't make sense because you're looking for an answer to a question that was not asked. If you'd like to know how much God cares there is a Biblical answer for that, it was not however asked in the OP.

Also, because it doesn't work for you doesn't mean it doesn't work for another. Some people like knowing others care about them. If you're not like that, cool.

[Overcomer]

Zzyzx wrote:

Why do you care if people believe your god tales?

Why do you care if people believe in God?

[Zzyzx]

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Why do you care if people believe your god tales?

Why do you care if people believe in God?

I do NOT care, not one whit, what anyone believes. That is their business, not mine. I prefer to not know about anyone's god beliefs or worship practices / preferences -- just as I do not care about (or want to hear about) their sexual preferences and practices (or their bathroom rituals).

However, I often care about statements made in public, particularly in debate, regarding 'gods'. Believers often seem inclined (or compelled) to brag about their assumed knowledge of supernatural matters, to 'advise' others about 'salvation' and 'afterlife' (as though they actually knew about such things after reading ancient religion promotional literature), and to demean those who do not share their religious beliefs.

Worse yet, many believers attempt to pass, or have passed, laws inflicting their religious beliefs onto others. Many seem blissfully unaware that inflicting their religious rules onto others is no different than having Islamic rules inflicted upon themselves.

[Difflugia]

Why do you care if people believe in God?

This.

When believers short-circuit the process of establishing morality like this, then it retards progress for the rest of us. In practice, it doesn't completely halt it (we no longer accept the buying and selling of people, for example, despite biblical sanction to do so), but every time we learn something new about the world and humanity's relationship to it, we learn something that the Bible didn't take into account. We've reached the point where the best outcome relying on the Bible gets us is being right for the wrong reasons. Unfortunately, that happens less and less and instead, a society with a significant number of Bible-believing Christians just stays wrong longer.

[JehovahsWitness]

The Gospels even have Jesus telling us that it's not important to believe in him or in his words.

Where is that?

[Zzyzx]

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Why do you care if people believe your god tales?

I want to see people live and to help those that want the help. That's why I care.

I also am concerned about helping those in need – and donate / volunteer considerable time, energy and resources to programs that provide food for the hungry. This addresses a REAL need, not an 'after you die' scenario that has not be shown to be anything more than imaginary.

It's the same reason we have tornado, hurricane, earthquake, flash flood warning systems.

Correction: Storms and such are REAL – anyone can verify that they occur.

Gods and such have NOT been verified as being anything more than imaginary.

Warning people about large invisible rabbits is not comparable to storm warnings.

Somebody cared enough about people to put these things in place.

We would be prudent to focus on real conditions that are known to exist.

Yet, those sounding the warning are there to help others that want it, to inform them on how to survive and yet not to convince them.

Watch out for those invisible rabbits.

The warning is in the hope that people will take the necessary precautions to survive what is coming.

WHAT, exactly, 'is coming'? How do you know the future?

If a hurricane is approaching, I can cite verifiable evidence that it exists and is a potential threat.

What is your verifiable evidence regarding the supposed threat you warn about?

[2timothy316]

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Why do you care if people believe your god tales?

I want to see people live and to help those that want the help. That's why I care.

I also am concerned about helping those in need – and donate / volunteer considerable time, energy and resources to programs that provide food for the hungry. This addresses a REAL need, not an 'after you die' scenario that has not be shown to be anything more than imaginary.

My message is not an 'after you die' scenario. If you want one of those you'll have to seek another poster. The warning message is to help and keep people can help now, while the person is alive.

It's the same reason we have tornado, hurricane, earthquake, flash flood warning systems.

Correction: Storms and such are REAL – anyone can verify that they occur.

Gods and such have NOT been verified as being anything more than imaginary.

Warning people about large invisible rabbits is not comparable to storm warnings.

Yet there are people that see storm clouds off the shore and say, "There is no REAL threat". A warning siren a meteorologist can't make a person believe anything. Again, I can only warn not convince.

Somebody cared enough about people to put these things in place.

We would be prudent to focus on real conditions that are known to exist.

You mean like what is mentioned in Matthew 24:7-15 and 2 Timothy 3:1-5? What these scriptures mention exist. What is being mentioned are the storm clouds so many dismiss. If you do, so be it. My intentions are to help, if you don't want it then ok. But don't say later you never got the warning.

Yet, those sounding the warning are there to help others that want it, to inform them on how to survive and yet not to convince them.

Watch out for those invisible rabbits.

Whatever helps you sleep.

The warning is in the hope that people will take the necessary precautions to survive what is coming.

WHAT, exactly, 'is coming'? How do you know the future?

The Bible has given me access to the future. A new government is coming. One can either support it be against it.

"“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever." Daniel 2:44

If a hurricane is approaching, I can cite verifiable evidence that it exists and is a potential threat.

What is your verifiable evidence regarding the supposed threat you warn about?

Matthew 24:7-15 and 2 Timothy 3:1-5. What those scriptures speak of is happening right now and they will only increase just as the clouds from a hurricane increase. If one doesn't believe it, so be it, no one can make them believe it. Just no one can force a person to believe the seriousness of a hurricane no can force a person to believe the seriousness of Bible warnings. Just know that I personally cared enough to warn everyone, which the only reason I care 'people believe the God tales'. I get nothing except happiness and relief.

[Zzyzx]

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Why do you care if people believe your god tales?

I want to see people live and to help those that want the help. That's why I care.

I also am concerned about helping those in need – and donate / volunteer considerable time, energy and resources to programs that provide food for the hungry. This addresses a REAL need, not an 'after you die' scenario that has not be shown to be anything more than imaginary.

My message is not an 'after you die' scenario. If you want one of those you'll have to seek another poster. The warning message is to help and keep people can help now, while the person is alive.

What do you warn people to do now? What is there to warn them about while they are alive? Don't your warnings pertain to a proposed 'afterlife'?

It's the same reason we have tornado, hurricane, earthquake, flash flood warning systems.

Correction: Storms and such are REAL – anyone can verify that they occur.

Gods and such have NOT been verified as being anything more than imaginary.

Warning people about large invisible rabbits is not comparable to storm warnings.

Yet there are people that see storm clouds off the shore and say, "There is no REAL threat".

Are the clouds real?

A warning siren a meteorologist can't make a person believe anything. Again, I can only warn not convince.

Are hurricanes and tornadoes real?

Somebody cared enough about people to put these things in place.

We would be prudent to focus on real conditions that are known to exist.

You mean like what is mentioned in Matthew 24:7-15

Wars, earthquakes, pestilence, and famines happen. It doesn't take Bible prophesy to know about such things.

and 2 Timothy 3:1-5?

Human nature includes possibilities of: lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God

So what? Is it somehow remarkable to observe that?

What these scriptures mention exist. What is being mentioned are the storm clouds so many dismiss.

It can be demonstrated that storms are real. Can you demonstrate that what you warn about is real?

If you do, so be it. My intentions are to help, if you don't want it then ok. But don't say later you never got the warning.

And don't say that you have not been warned about invisible rabbits.

Yet, those sounding the warning are there to help others that want it, to inform them on how to survive and yet not to convince them.

Watch out for those invisible rabbits.

Whatever helps you sleep.

It is not me who is concerned about tales of invisible 'threats'

The warning is in the hope that people will take the necessary precautions to survive what is coming.

WHAT, exactly, 'is coming'? How do you know the future?

The Bible has given me access to the future.

How, exactly, is claiming foresight by reading ancient texts any more valid than reading the future with Tarot cards, or citing astrology, or consulting a fortune teller?

A new government is coming. One can either support it be against it.

Governments come and go, rise and fall. So what? Do you require Bible reading to know that?

"“In the days of those kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed. And this kingdom will not be passed on to any other people. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms, and it alone will stand forever." Daniel 2:44able to be checked or demonstrated to be true, accurate, or justified.

For thousands of years Bible believers have been predicting the kingdom that will never be destroyed (or whatever). Thousands of years being wrong doesn't seem to register as being wrong. 'Just wait'

If a hurricane is approaching, I can cite verifiable evidence that it exists and is a potential threat.

What is your verifiable evidence regarding the supposed threat you warn about?

Matthew 24:7-15 and 2 Timothy 3:1-5.

You offer ancient unverifiable writings as verifiable evidence? Really?

Verifiable means: able to be checked or demonstrated to be true, accurate, or justified.

What those scriptures speak of is happening right now and they will only increase just as the clouds from a hurricane increase. If one doesn't believe it, so be it, no one can make them believe it.

Back to 'just believe'

Just no one can force a person to believe the seriousness of a hurricane no can force a person to believe the seriousness of Bible warnings.

Those who ignore warnings of an incoming hurricane can test whether the warnings were truthful and accurate (as the storm arrives).

What is a test by which one can learn the truth and accuracy of biblical warnings?

Just know that I personally cared enough to warn everyone,

Likewise, I warned about the invisible rabbits

which the only reason I care 'people believe the God tales'. I get nothing except happiness and relief.

I feel better too, knowing that I have warned people about those invisible rabbits.

[Tcg]

The Bible has given me access to the future.

No, it has not. The Bible has given you access to claims humans have made about the future.

You can not know what events will occur in the future any more than I can know that those events won't happen. When it comes to events the Bible claims will happen in the future all we can do is watch and wait, and wait, and wait...


Tcg