1. Why did God create anything at all?
2. What arena/space/other did God dwell within or upon before he first had to create it?
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Post #1In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Post #11I don't think so, because by what i know, in pantheism universe is the God. Bible doesn't say so. It could be understood so that universe and everything in it, are in God.
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Post #12Why did he feel it was good?The Tanager wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 8:33 pm 1. I would say that God freely chose to create and chose to create what He did because he felt it was good.
Okay. Does God occupy any defined space, outside his surroundings in either the material or immaterial 'world'?The Tanager wrote: ↑Thu Dec 26, 2024 8:33 pm 2. This question doesn't make sense. A non-physical being cannot, by definition, dwell within something like physical beings do.
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Post #13If God is tri-personal and loving, then it would be seen as a good thing to spread that loving community among others. Creating this world would be a way to do that.
Space is a physical/material concept. If God is non-physical/immaterial, then God wouldn't occupy any defined space. He would have nothing surrounding Him.
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Post #14Does this mean God IS "anything" and "everything" outside all physical/materialism?The Tanager wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:10 pm If God is non-physical/immaterial, then God wouldn't occupy any defined space. He would have nothing surrounding Him.
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Post #15No, it doesn't mean that. It means that immaterial things other than God aren't spatially related to Him and, therefore, couldn't be said to literally surround Him or be beside Him. It's difficult to get outside of our physical experience of things, but we need to make sure we don't make category mistakes because of that.POI wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 4:01 pmDoes this mean God IS "anything" and "everything" outside all physical/materialism?The Tanager wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 12:10 pm If God is non-physical/immaterial, then God wouldn't occupy any defined space. He would have nothing surrounding Him.
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Post #16[Replying to POI in post #1]
The bible doesn't answer either question. Assuming rarely makes a truth.
The bible doesn't answer either question. Assuming rarely makes a truth.
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Post #17What is your source for claiming this?The Tanager wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 5:24 pm No, it doesn't mean that. It means that immaterial things other than God aren't spatially related to Him and, therefore, couldn't be said to literally surround Him or be beside Him. It's difficult to get outside of our physical experience of things, but we need to make sure we don't make category mistakes because of that.
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Post #18For claiming what? That an immaterial thing doesn't have spatial relations? If so, then logic applied to agreed upon definitions.POI wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 7:25 pmWhat is your source for claiming this?The Tanager wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 5:24 pm No, it doesn't mean that. It means that immaterial things other than God aren't spatially related to Him and, therefore, couldn't be said to literally surround Him or be beside Him. It's difficult to get outside of our physical experience of things, but we need to make sure we don't make category mistakes because of that.
Spatial characteristics (things with dimensions of height, depth, width) are a feature of physical things. Oxford Languages defines immaterial (in the philosophical sense) as "spiritual, rather than physical" and comes from a Latin origin of 'in' (meaning not) and 'materialis' (meaning relating to matter). Therefore, 'immaterial' things are things that are non-physical or non-material. Since immaterial things are non-physical and spatial characteristics are features of physical things, immaterial things cannot have spatial relations.
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Post #19Does this include heaven?The Tanager wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:13 pm Since immaterial things are non-physical and spatial characteristics are features of physical things, immaterial things cannot have spatial relations.
In case anyone is wondering... The avatar quote states the following:
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
"I asked God for a bike, but I know God doesn't work that way. So I stole a bike and asked for forgiveness."
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Post #20No. Heaven is not a wholely immaterial thing.POI wrote: ↑Sun Dec 29, 2024 1:48 amDoes this include heaven?The Tanager wrote: ↑Sat Dec 28, 2024 9:13 pm Since immaterial things are non-physical and spatial characteristics are features of physical things, immaterial things cannot have spatial relations.
