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Personally, I always assumed an historical Jesus behind the story, but having read a few books from the mythicist viewpoint as well as the historical, it seems that from a Jewish/Hellenist cultural and historical view of the early centuries, a mythical Christ falls into place in that it makes more sense to view Jesus Christ as never having existed, at least not as a man that walked the earth. The earliest Christian writings which include the Epistles describe a spiritual Christ that resided in the spiritual realm, that sacrificed his "blood and flesh" in a heavenly sanctuary and was known to apostles through revelation, visions.
Philo laid down the theological groundwork for Christianity without mentioning a Christ or writing of a Jesus even though he was in Jerusalem at the supposed time of Jesus' crucifixion. He did write of Pontius Pilate, although his portrayal of a ruthless Pilate is in stark contrast to that of the concerned and caring Pilate portrayed in the Gospels. His son of God was spiritual, a mediator between God and man also referred to as the Word or Logos.
The author of Mark may have taken from different traditions such as a Christ cult from Jerusalem and a Jesus community from Galilee that had no known connection to a crucified and risen Christ and combined them to write his Gospel of a Jesus of Nazareth.
There are books and websites that cover a great deal of the aspects involved. The following I recommend in terms of this discussion:
http://www.rationalrevolution.net/artic ... istory.htm
http://www.jesuspuzzle.com/
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Mythical Christ Gains Favour
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Post #11AB wrote:What is circular reasoning?d.thomas wrote:AB wrote:Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness among the people.
- Matthew 4:23
Jesus is actual. He was on the earth. Not a mythical thing.
This conclusion is based on circular reasoning. The only story we have of a Jesus of Nazareth is the Gospels and they are dependent on Mark. The Gospels cannot be corroborated so we can't rely on them as historical, instead they are referred to as faith documents.
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It's begging the question.
Post #12
Those are very interesting opinions. Now will you please answer my question...d.thomas wrote:It's probably just a matter of time for this view to become mainstream. It conficts the least with the historical record as well as the Jewish/ Hellenist culture of the time.
"Mythical Christ Gains Favour" among whom?
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto His people. Exodus 32:14
Post #13
Lotan wrote:Those are very interesting opinions. Now will you please answer my question...d.thomas wrote:It's probably just a matter of time for this view to become mainstream. It conficts the least with the historical record as well as the Jewish/ Hellenist culture of the time.
"Mythical Christ Gains Favour" among whom?
I'm the only one so far, but just wait, there'll be others.
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AB
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Post #14Ok. Your point is worthless then. Just wanted to make sure.d.thomas wrote:AB wrote:What is circular reasoning?d.thomas wrote:AB wrote:Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness among the people.
- Matthew 4:23
Jesus is actual. He was on the earth. Not a mythical thing.
This conclusion is based on circular reasoning. The only story we have of a Jesus of Nazareth is the Gospels and they are dependent on Mark. The Gospels cannot be corroborated so we can't rely on them as historical, instead they are referred to as faith documents.
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It's begging the question.
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Post #15AB wrote:Ok. Your point is worthless then. Just wanted to make sure.d.thomas wrote:AB wrote:d.thomas wrote:AB wrote:Jesus went throughout Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the good news of the kingdom and healing every disease and sickness among the people.
- Matthew 4:23
Jesus is actual. He was on the earth. Not a mythical thing.
This conclusion is based on circular reasoning. The only story we have of a Jesus of Nazareth is the Gospels and they are dependent on Mark. The Gospels cannot be corroborated so we can't rely on them as historical, instead they are referred to as faith documents.
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You're welcome.
What is circular reasoning?
It's begging the question.
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Biker
Post #17
Wasn't Freddie boy Nietzsche one also?d.thomas wrote:Lotan wrote:Those are very interesting opinions. Now will you please answer my question...d.thomas wrote:It's probably just a matter of time for this view to become mainstream. It conficts the least with the historical record as well as the Jewish/ Hellenist culture of the time.
"Mythical Christ Gains Favour" among whom?
I'm the only one so far, but just wait, there'll be others.
Biker
Post #18
So this your unevidenced opinion as well.d.thomas wrote:I'm the only one so far, but just wait, there'll be others.
If this view "gains favour" with others, does that mean you'll 'win'?
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto His people. Exodus 32:14
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Post #19
No, that won't happen until we pass a law to have the historicists whipped naked through the streets of Aberdeen.If this view "gains favour" with others, does that mean you'll 'win'?
(BTW, I'll get back to your filthly lies in the other thread later.)
DanZ
Post #20
I don't know, but Albert Schweitzer was.Biker wrote:Wasn't Freddie boy Nietzsche one also?d.thomas wrote:Lotan wrote:Those are very interesting opinions. Now will you please answer my question...d.thomas wrote:It's probably just a matter of time for this view to become mainstream. It conficts the least with the historical record as well as the Jewish/ Hellenist culture of the time.
"Mythical Christ Gains Favour" among whom?
I'm the only one so far, but just wait, there'll be others.
Biker
