Biblical Inerrancy

[Midwestguy]

There are times when people talk about the "inerrancy" of the Bible. Is there a commonly agreed definition of the word? Does it mean the Bible is without error? If so, which manuscript does one rely on to arrive at this conclusion?

For example, in Revelation chapter 13 the number of the beast is stated as 666 while other manuscripts have 616. Which is inerrant and why?

I remain that curious but confused Midwest Guy.

[perplexed101]

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quote="hiramabbi2"]Dear Readers:

desparation?

According to John 1:18 and Col. 1:15

“NO MAN hath seen the God at ANY TIME” except the begotten Son - who’s at the bosom of the FATHER hath declared him - Christ is the image of the INVISIBBLE God Father.

look up the word manifestion bub but then again you only believe "true light". (make sure you get the right greek word that defines it ) LOL

you lack the background in hebrew and greek to make any assertions that lead to strictly what you think the Father and Son can and will do. LOL
You speak out but there is inconsistency and incoherence.

Here is another hint:

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Verily, verily... that important? That's Jesus Christ Himself speaking... you should listen.

Luk 8:17 For nothing is secret, that shall not be made manifest; neither any thing hid, that shall not be known and come abroad.


Keep pleading with the readers hira... this is getting to be interesting LOL.
Would they feel sorry for you? or for your ignorance?

[hiramabbi2]

Here is another hint:

John 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Verily, verily... that important? That's Jesus Christ Himself speaking... you should listen.

Contrary to your assumption, I have no problem with Jehovah, the Son of Invisible God, submitting himself to his Invisible Father.

The issue here perplexed101 (in case you're confuse) is the fact that you don't have ANY Scripture to sustain your objection to my post that Jehovah is the Son of God, known as Jesus Christ - contrary to your distorted religious belief.

Therefore, you objection and whinings is over ruled. My post remain Scripturally uncontested so far. TRY AGAIN?

[perplexed101]

Contrary to your assumption, I have no problem with Jehovah, the Son of Invisible God, submitting himself to his Invisible Father.

The issue here perplexed101 (in case you're confuse) is the fact that you don't have ANY Scripture to sustain your objection to my post that Jehovah is the Son of God, known as Jesus Christ - contrary to your distorted religious belief.

i already gave you evidence and i gave you the hebrew word with definition. Aren't you paying any attention? i gave them both to you with definitions, i cant help it if you ignored it. No, im not gonna repost them neither go do some looking for a change instead of spouting off what you know not.

[hiramabbi2]

Dear perplexed101:

Tpo follow up the name "Jehovah" that you are so proud about ... Look and read based on my research...

JEHOVAH - "is a mispronounciation of the Hebrew YHWH, the name of God. This pronounciation is grammatically impossible. The form 'Jehovah' is a philological impossibility" (The Jewish Encyclopedia, p.160)

JEHOVAH - "an erroneous prnounciation of the Tetragrammaton, or four-lettered name of God made up of the Hebrew letters Yod He Vav He. the word 'Jehovah' therefore, is a misreading for which there is no warrant and which makes no sense in Hebrew." (The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia)

[perplexed101]

JEHOVAH - "is a mispronounciation of the Hebrew YHWH, the name of God. This pronounciation is grammatically impossible. The form 'Jehovah' is a philological impossibility" (The Jewish Encyclopedia, p.160)

JEHOVAH - "an erroneous prnounciation of the Tetragrammaton, or four-lettered name of God made up of the Hebrew letters Yod He Vav He. the word 'Jehovah' therefore, is a misreading for which there is no warrant and which makes no sense in Hebrew." (The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia)

LOL, Tetragrammation came in the 1400's try again and ive already shown why the use of Tetragrammation was in use rather than the original pronouncement.

[hiramabbi2]

Dear perplexed101:

I am sorry, there few more...

JEHOVAH - the vowels of one word with the consonants of the other were misread as "Jehovah" (Encyclopedia International)

YHWH - "When early linguists in Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name 'Jehovah'. THE TRUE PRONUNCIATION OF THE NAME YHWH WAS NEVER LOST.

Several early Greek writers of the Christian church testify that the name was pronouced as "Yahweh." This is confirmed, at least for the vowel of the first sylable of the name, by the shorter form Yah, which is sometimes used in poetry...

The personal name of God of Israel is written in the Hebrew Bible with four consonants YHWH and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton." At least until the destruction of the First temple in 586 BCE this name was regularly pronoucned with its proper vowles, as is clear from the Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date." (Encylcopedia Judiaca, Jerusalem, p.680, vol.7)

I guess you must have also committed errounous usage of the word "Jehovah" 2065 times, correct?

[perplexed101]

Dear perplexed101:

I am sorry, there few more...

JEHOVAH - the vowels of one word with the consonants of the other were misread as "Jehovah" (Encyclopedia International)

YHWH - "When early linguists in Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name 'Jehovah'. THE TRUE PRONUNCIATION OF THE NAME YHWH WAS NEVER LOST.

Several early Greek writers of the Christian church testify that the name was pronouced as "Yahweh." This is confirmed, at least for the vowel of the first sylable of the name, by the shorter form Yah, which is sometimes used in poetry...

The personal name of God of Israel is written in the Hebrew Bible with four consonants YHWH and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton." At least until the destruction of the First temple in 586 BCE this name was regularly pronoucned with its proper vowles, as is clear from the Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date." (Encylcopedia Judiaca, Jerusalem, p.680, vol.7)

LOL, go with sources that specialize in the area of translating the hebrew and greek texts. Your insertion of Tetragrammation is the common thread of fear that initiated it.

[perplexed101]

Dear perplexed101:

I am sorry, there few more...

JEHOVAH - the vowels of one word with the consonants of the other were misread as "Jehovah" (Encyclopedia International)

YHWH - "When early linguists in Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name 'Jehovah'. THE TRUE PRONUNCIATION OF THE NAME YHWH WAS NEVER LOST.

Several early Greek writers of the Christian church testify that the name was pronouced as "Yahweh." This is confirmed, at least for the vowel of the first sylable of the name, by the shorter form Yah, which is sometimes used in poetry...

The personal name of God of Israel is written in the Hebrew Bible with four consonants YHWH and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton." At least until the destruction of the First temple in 586 BCE this name was regularly pronoucned with its proper vowles, as is clear from the Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date." (Encylcopedia Judiaca, Jerusalem, p.680, vol.7)

LOL, go with sources that specialize in the area of translating the hebrew and greek texts. Your insertion of Tetragrammation is the common thread of fear that initiated it.

[perplexed101]

Dear perplexed101:

I am sorry, there few more...

JEHOVAH - the vowels of one word with the consonants of the other were misread as "Jehovah" (Encyclopedia International)

YHWH - "When early linguists in Europe first began to study Hebrew, they did not understand what this really meant, and they introduced the hybrid name 'Jehovah'. THE TRUE PRONUNCIATION OF THE NAME YHWH WAS NEVER LOST.

Several early Greek writers of the Christian church testify that the name was pronouced as "Yahweh." This is confirmed, at least for the vowel of the first sylable of the name, by the shorter form Yah, which is sometimes used in poetry...

The personal name of God of Israel is written in the Hebrew Bible with four consonants YHWH and is referred to as the "Tetragrammaton." At least until the destruction of the First temple in 586 BCE this name was regularly pronoucned with its proper vowles, as is clear from the Lachish Letters, written shortly before that date." (Encylcopedia Judiaca, Jerusalem, p.680, vol.7)

LOL, go with sources that specialize in the area of translating the hebrew and greek texts. Your insertion of Tetragrammation is the common thread of fear that initiated it.

tetragrammaton

c.1400
n : four Hebrew letters usually transliterated as YHWH (Yahweh) or JHVH (Jehovah) signifying the Hebrew name for God which the Jews regarded as too holy to pronounce

(out of fear we have tetragrammation, is that why hira wont use the whole written pronouncement?)

[Middle English Tetragramaton, from Greek tetragrammaton, four-letter word, from neuter of tetragrammatos, four-lettered : tetra-, tetra- + gramma, grammat-, letter; see gerbh- in Indo-European Roots.]

[hiramabbi2]

JESUS EQUALITY WITH THE FATHER

A word study from A.T. Robertson's Word Picture of the New Testament gives some interesting insights: Vol. I -V, Nashville: Broadman Press, 1930 (page 82, 83)

"But Jesus answered to them , My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill Him, because He not only broken the sabbath, but said also that God was His Father, making himself equal with God." John 5:17, 18

"Jesus distinctly says, 'My Father' (ho pater mou), not 'our Father,' claim to peculiar relation to the Father. Worketh even until now (heos arti ergazetai) ...Jesus puting himself on par with God's activity and thus justifies his healing on the Sabbath."

It is also worthy of note that the Jews did not refer to God as "My Father." If they did, they would qualify the statement with "in heaven." However, This Jesus did not do. He made a claim that the Jews could not misinterpret when He called God "My Father." C.F.Pfeiffer and E.F.Harrison (eds.), The Wycliffe Bible Commentary, Chicago: Moody Press,1962, page 309

Jesus also implies that while God is working, He the Son, is working, too. Again the Jews understood the implication that He was God's Son. Resulting from this statement, the Jews' hatred has grown. Even though they are seeking, mainly, to persecute Him, they are growing in their desire to kill him. Lenski, R.C.H. Interpretation of St.John's Gospel, Lutheran Book Concern 1942, page 309

" That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son, honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that hearth My words, and believe on Him that sent Me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." John 5:23, 24

In the last part of this verse Jesus thrusts a warning at those who accuse Him of blasphemy. He tells them that by hurling abuse at Him, they are actually hurling it at God and that it is God who is outraged by their treatment of Jesus. (Godet, F. commentary on the Gospel of St. John, page 174, vol.2)

We also see that Jesus claims the right to be worshipped as God. And from this it follows, as previously stated, that to dishonor Jesus is to dishonor God. (Robertson, Archibald Thomas, Word Pictures in the New Testament. p86)

Wordsworth (cited by J.C.Ryle, Expository Thoughts on the Gospels, p291, vol.1) remarks, "They who profess zeal for the one God do not honour Him aright, unless they honour the Son as they honour the Father.

"And, thou, Lord in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth;
and the heavens are the works of thy hands: Hebrews.1:10

Thou hast loved righteousness,and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy GOD, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows." Hebrews 1:9

"And AGAIN , when he (FATHER) bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, He saith, And let all the Angels of God worship Him." Hebrews 1:6

Jesus is Lord (YHWH), to the glory of the invisible God Father.