Detailing Biblical Creation Mythology

SallyF · Post by **SallyF** » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:02 pm

My Sunday school teachers and Bible class instructors used to quite happily go through the details of how "God" created the universe and everything in it.

I have noticed, in more recent years, that folks who still call themselves Christian avoid discussing the details of the two biblical creation mythologies.

They will go ON and On at length about the science of evolution, but not a squeak on the details in the "Word of God".

When Christians do not discuss the details of biblical creation, why would that be â€¦?

Tart · Post by **Tart** » Thu Oct 24, 2019 3:39 pm

Zzyzx wrote: .
Tart wrote: Like for the sake of argument, would you call a Christian wrong, who may regard these stories as myths inspired by God?
What someone 'regards' is none of my business. However, if they claim 'inspired by god' (particularly in debate) I may challenge their claim of knowledge.

Even in that case I would not call them wrong (or naive or gullible, though I may think so personally). Simply asking for verifiable evidence to support their contention is adequate to demonstrate that they are talking beyond their knowledge.

im just asking the question of what you guys feel about keeping our ideas of interpreting the Bible open to a non literal aspect. It seems like a lot of nonbelievers insist on a hard lines literal interpretation of scripture, but I dont think a lot of Christians take that approach at all... In which case, it is kind of like a starman i suppose.

SallyF · Post by **SallyF** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 1:58 pm

Tart wrote:
Zzyzx wrote: .
Tart wrote: Like for the sake of argument, would you call a Christian wrong, who may regard these stories as myths inspired by God?
What someone 'regards' is none of my business. However, if they claim 'inspired by god' (particularly in debate) I may challenge their claim of knowledge.

Even in that case I would not call them wrong (or naive or gullible, though I may think so personally). Simply asking for verifiable evidence to support their contention is adequate to demonstrate that they are talking beyond their knowledge.
im just asking the question of what you guys feel about keeping our ideas of interpreting the Bible open to a non literal aspect. It seems like a lot of nonbelievers insist on a hard lines literal interpretation of scripture, but I dont think a lot of Christians take that approach at all... In which case, it is kind of like a starman i suppose.

I'm ALL about the non-literal â€¦!!!

We keep hearing and hearing and hearing just how non-literal the biblical creation mythology is, from certain folks who still call themselves Christian â€¦

But we've had whole bunch of silence on the details.

Tart · Post by **Tart** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 2:35 pm

SallyF wrote:
Tart wrote:
Zzyzx wrote: .
Tart wrote: Like for the sake of argument, would you call a Christian wrong, who may regard these stories as myths inspired by God?
What someone 'regards' is none of my business. However, if they claim 'inspired by god' (particularly in debate) I may challenge their claim of knowledge.

Even in that case I would not call them wrong (or naive or gullible, though I may think so personally). Simply asking for verifiable evidence to support their contention is adequate to demonstrate that they are talking beyond their knowledge.
im just asking the question of what you guys feel about keeping our ideas of interpreting the Bible open to a non literal aspect. It seems like a lot of nonbelievers insist on a hard lines literal interpretation of scripture, but I dont think a lot of Christians take that approach at all... In which case, it is kind of like a starman i suppose.
I'm ALL about the non-literal â€¦!!!

We keep hearing and hearing and hearing just how non-literal the biblical creation mythology is, from certain folks who still call themselves Christian â€¦

But we've had whole bunch of silence on the details.

Is it possible because no one knows the exact nature of the details? And by the way, im not even promoting a strictly non-literal interpretation, im just trying to open it up for such... I think it is probable that the story is composed of literal truths, and non-literal as well....

Our conversation seems to be, "is there factual errors in the story?".. And maybe there is? But what are we to conclude? The author is wrong? Well if truth is relative, how would anyone conclude that? Maybe our perspective of their words, isnt as clear as we make it.

after all, it surely looks like the ancient Egyptians were totally wrong about their "upper" and "lower" kingdoms... Why do you think they named them that way?

"Ancient Egypt was divided into two regions, namely Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt. To the north was Lower Egypt, where the Nile stretched out with its several branches to form the Nile Delta. To the south was Upper Egypt, stretching to Aswan."

curious, isnt it?

Post by **Tcg** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 3:14 pm

Tart wrote:
"Ancient Egypt was divided into two regions, namely Upper Egypt and Lower Egypt. To the north was Lower Egypt, where the Nile stretched out with its several branches to form the Nile Delta. To the south was Upper Egypt, stretching to Aswan."

curious, isnt it?

Perhaps it'd be less curious if you read the next sentence:

The terminology "Upper" and "Lower" derives from the flow of the Nile from the highlands of East Africa northwards to the Mediterranean Sea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Upper_and_Lower_Egypt

What remains a curiosity is how this relates to Biblical Creation Mythology.

Tcg

Tart · Post by **Tart** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:02 pm

[Replying to post 132 by Tcg]

Tcg, I think there is maybe a deeper issue between you and i understanding each other... At this point I wouldnt even know how to participate in a conversation with you about any of these subjects, it doesnt seem like you are interested in the actual content of the conversation...

Post by **Tcg** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:07 pm

Tart wrote: [Replying to post 132 by Tcg]

Tcg, I think there is maybe a deeper issue between you and i understanding each other... At this point I wouldnt even know how to participate in a conversation with you about any of these subjects, it doesnt seem like you are interested in the actual content of the conversation...

Let me restate directly then:

What does your map of Lower and Upper Egypt have to do with the subject of this thread which is Biblical Creation Mythology?

Tcg

Tart · Post by **Tart** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:28 pm

Tcg wrote:
Tart wrote: [Replying to post 132 by Tcg]

Tcg, I think there is maybe a deeper issue between you and i understanding each other... At this point I wouldnt even know how to participate in a conversation with you about any of these subjects, it doesnt seem like you are interested in the actual content of the conversation...
Let me restate directly then:

What does your map of Lower and Upper Egypt have to do with the subject of this thread which is Biblical Creation Mythology?

Tcg

Tcg, you need to think harder and attempt to understand other peoples words better.

Post by **Tcg** » Fri Oct 25, 2019 4:33 pm

Tart wrote:
Tcg wrote:
Tart wrote: [Replying to post 132 by Tcg]

Tcg, I think there is maybe a deeper issue between you and i understanding each other... At this point I wouldnt even know how to participate in a conversation with you about any of these subjects, it doesnt seem like you are interested in the actual content of the conversation...
Let me restate directly then:

What does your map of Lower and Upper Egypt have to do with the subject of this thread which is Biblical Creation Mythology?

Tcg
Tcg, you need to think harder and attempt to understand other peoples words better.

I've done both. Neither has helped me comprehend how your map of Lower and Upper Egypt relates to the topic at hand. That is why I asked for clarification from you. If you are unable to do so, that can't possibly be considered a fault of mine.

Tcg

SallyF · Post by **SallyF** » Sat Oct 26, 2019 5:50 am

Not getting a lot of response from Christians right here concerning the literal or figurative details of the creation mythology in their Bibles â€¦ even though some of them WILL argue the bejeebers out of science issues.

Perhaps what is in the biblical "scripture" needs to be set out more clearly â€¦

Day by biblical day â€¦

This is what is fed to certain Christian children for their spiritual nourishment.

It may prove useful in giving this topic a little more spiritual momentum â€¦.

SallyF · Post by **SallyF** » Sun Oct 27, 2019 3:12 am

Now â€¦

Just to lay a few details out in order:

We need a WHOLE LOT of figurative, metaphorical, transcendent, hermeneutic, exegetical apologetics and other bloviated hot air to keep the belief balloon aloft with this list.

But not a peep from Christians for a while.

Do we ALL now recognise that we are dealing with the make-believe of a primitive culture â€¦

And it's time to admit that our faith has been misplaced â€¦?

This New Atheist did decades ago.