Anyone got proof of God

[nine dog war]

I have heard all the retohric, the Bible versus etc etc etc

What Im looking for is proof to the hypothesis of God. I would love to see tangible proof or if not at least one logical argument. So far I have not seen nor heard either.

Please note the words "Tangible" and "Logical". If wish to use quotes from the religious texts then please prove the vadility of the source. e.g. If you quote from the Bible book of Luke please provide proof Luke existed and was not completly stark raving mad.

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt for it is easily filled with faith.

[jamesearl]

A degree of interpretation is always required when reading texts. Truths are often couched in symbolism, allegory and metaphor and many prophecies are given in these terms. What I am saying is that many biblical prophecies and narratives, such as the tower of Babel story, Jesus causing the fig-tree to wither, the crucifixion of Jesus, the destruction of the two witnesses and the destruction of the beast, can be seen as metaphors for the events of 9/11. Encoded numbers within the NIV appear to support that interpretation - in fact led me to that understanding.

There is symbolism in the destruction of the ram's horns. The ram was a sacrificial animal in biblical times - for instance, substituting for Isaac in Genesis 22 - leading to the idea of the sacrificial lamb, who was Jesus. Remember that 9/11 symbolised the crucifixion, according to my interpretation of the code.

So it seems you seriously consider the deaths of a measly 2500 people to be included in your Bibles prophecies, that is Truly amazing. It also shows you consider americans superior to none-americans, a stance I have no knowledge of how you explain.

What about the hundreds of thousands of lives killed by the U.S alone, why are these 2500 americans (quite a deal of them not even americans for your note) so important, and valuable?

WHO is this beast you speak of? Muslims? The U.S have been in war and responsible for uncountable number of innocent deaths. But perhaps muslims are less worth, not being Christian? Please explain.

God will not stand by and let us destroy ourselves. The USA, the new Rome, was leading the world (much of which was gladly following) towards collective suicide. If we are to survive the current world crisis, we must be led by our higher natures, instead of letting our lower natures drive us. This is the meaning of the 'crucifixion' of the twin towers, representing avarice, and the Pentagon, representing power-by-force. These were the very symbols of man's rebellion, outer manifestations of what is in reality within our hearts. They are also what separates us from our Creator, and their destruction by the Christ was a clear message to us all: to survive as a species we must remove them from our hearts and our world.

WOW!!!
The U.S is the NEW ROME baby. Cool.

Lets see, I assume you mean the Roman Empire. Im curious, how is the U.S even mentioned in the same sentence?

The U.S is by any definition a tragic example of a nation. Massive poverty for a western country, Poor education, Violance etcetera. It seems you lack the historical knowledge of United States. Are you aware that it is because of the Second World War the United States can even feed itself today?

Because of WWII, the U.S got an advantage, which all countries not involved in war get. And use it to its advantage which you can see today, the most advanced nations on the planet was in war, Talk about take the milk and run. And they did, and AMAZINGLY enough, manage to keep such poor education in the country, that the average american believe anything they are told from that the U.S was the ones 'winning the second world war', to 'WMD in Iraq'.


The United States is not the world. Explain how you seem to equate the U.S with all these 'prophecies', and manage to Ignore facts and the world... Please, do tell.


I get reminded of one of the Super Man movies, with Reeves. When the evil guys wants to see the WORLD LEADER, and get to see the U.S PRESIDENT.. WOW, talk about DELUSION....

[LittlePig]

thebluetriangle

This is why, six hours before the first plane struck the North Tower, I heard an inner voice say 'Serpent Power'. 9/11 was when the serpent struck.

I think there should be a new debate rule added to the board. People have to disclose all sources of subjective supernatural confirmation prior to entering into 'reasoned' discussion. That way people who have better things to do can avoid time wasting efforts to persuade the other side whose belief is based on something completely other than reason or the appearance thereof.

[Biker]

Hi Zzyzx.

thebluetriangle wrote:

Unlike the well-known equidistant letter sequence (ELS) codes, popularised by Michael Drosnin, the numerical code I have uncovered does not predict future events. On the contrary, it conveys a sensational message about events in the recent past, which had greater meaning than we had hitherto suspected. It also shows, Zzyzx, that many biblical prophecies, correctly interpreted, were essentially accurate.

The message itself? 9/11 represented the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, the funeral of Pope John Paul II represented the resurrection of Jesus Christ and both events together represented, and were a manifestation of, the Second Coming of Jesus Christ.

Thank you for demonstrating exactly what I said -- "prophesies" and "codes" are said to be "essentially accurate" ONLY when vied in retrospect. Anyone can claim that any event "fulfilled prophesy" AFTER it happens.

Why must you demand that the code should predict the future to be valid? Predicting the future is simply not the purpose of the code in the NIV - I'll call it the New Bible Code, or NBC, from now on. It's purpose is to announce the Second Coming, an event that has already happened.

“There was a lunar eclipse and my sister got married a week later; therefore, the lunar eclipse predicted that my sister would get married.” Or “He walked under a ladder and was later run over by a car; therefore, walking under the ladder predicted that he would meet with misfortune”.

There is no link between these events other than closeness in time. However, if your father had had a dream thirty years ago of your sister getting married during a lunar eclipse, or the man's wife had dreamt the night before he was run over that he was hit by a falling ladder, these would perhaps be examples of prophetic dreams.

For a good example of a fulfilled prophecy see Daniel 8, where a strutting ram with two long horns, standing beside a canal, is attacked by a flying goat with a single long horn, an attack that shatters the ram's two horns. This is a prophecy of 9/11, one of many in the Bible.

Kindly demonstrate that the events of 9/11 and the pope’s funeral “were a manifestation of the second coming of Jesus" (with more than just a claim based on opinion).

The evidence is voluminous and contained in my website.

www.thenewbiblecode.co.uk

However, here is a little of it.

1.

9/11 took place on the 254th day of the new millenium, the funeral on the 1559th day. Recall that the two principal systems of numeration I use are the absolute (or standard) value system (a) and the ordinal value system (o). Numbers are encoded as ordinal values and take on meaning as absolute values.

Our Lord Jesus Christ (o) = 254
Our Lord Jesus Christ (a) = 1559

2.

You maybe aware of the vast cluster of elevens surrounding 9/11. For instance, the date was the 11th, the towers resemble an 11, there were 110 storeys, flight 11 was the first flight to hit a tower, the 9/11 commission hearings closed 1010 days after 9/11, etc, etc, etc. The Pentagon building is itself watermarked with the number 5. The bulding is pentagonal, with five concentric pentagons, there are five storeys. The ordinal value of 'the Pentagon' is 125, or 5 x 5 x 5, etc.

Numbers are related to geometric objects; such numbers are called figurate. For instance, 16 is the fourth square number, 125 is the fifth cube, 15 is the fifth triangular number. The number 121 is bifigurate, appearing as the eleventh square (11 x 11) and the fifth hexagram (Star of David). The order numbers, 11 and 5, are the numbers impressed upon us by the synchronicities surrounding 9/11.

Second Coming (o) = 121

3.

The ordinal value of Jesus Christ also uses the digits in 5 and 11

Jesus Christ (o) = 151
Holy Spirit (o) = 151

4.

The absolute value of Jesus in Hebrew (Yehoshua) is 391. This is also the absolute value of 'Second Coming'

Second Coming (a) = 391.

It is also the ordinal value of the three WTC buildings.

Building one + building two + building seven (o) = 391

5.

The absolute value of Jesus in Greek is 888. This is also the absolute value of 'The Lord's Second Coming'

The Lord's Second Coming (a) = 888

6.

The 888th chapter of the NIV Bible is Amos 9. The books before it (Joel) and after it (Obadiah) have 3 chapters and 1 chapter. This gives us 391 crossing 888. What are the opening words of Amos 1?

I saw the Lord standing by the altar, and he said: "Strike the tops of the pillars, so that the thresholds shake. Bring them down on the heads of all the people...."

7.

The three WTC buildings that fell were (in chronological order) buildings 2, 1 and 7. This gives us 217.

Christ's Second Coming (o) = 217

217 is also a hexagonal number, into which hexagram 121 will fit perfectly.

8.

The Bible's 217th verse is, incredibly, Genesis 9:11. This speaks of a covenant between God and his people. 9/11 itself marked the start of a new covenant.

The Bible's 911th chapter is Haggai 2, which begins. "On the twenty first day of the seventh month..." This implies 217.

9. The three 9/11 targets encode a series of nested cubes.

The pentagon (o) = 125, the cube of 5.
125 + the World Trade Centre (o) = 343, the cube of 7
343 + The North Tower + The South Tower (o) = 729, the cube of 9

There is much symbolism here. For instance, in biblical numerics, 9 is the number oof judgment, finality and endings. See

www.thenewbiblecode.co.uk/crucifixion.html

Hexagon 217 is a 2D projection of the cube of 9, 729, linking these figures and hexagram 121.

10. The fall of the twin towers is linked with many, many biblical passages. For example, in the New Testament:

Mark 11. Jesus overturning the tables of the moneychanges and causing a fig-tree to wither.
John 9. Jesus healing a blind man, by rubbing mud in his eyes.
John 13 Jesus washing his disciples feet.
Rev. 11. the destruction of the two witnesses.
Rev 13:11 The beast out of the earth, with two horns like a lamb.
Rev.18 The fall of Babylon.

11.

The event is also encoded into the four airplanes that delivered the message of the Second Coming.

11 + 175 + 77 = 263
Messiah (a) = 263

11 + 175 + 77 + 93 = 356
The Second Coming of Jesus the Messiah (o) = 356

Adding the ordinal values of the airports to the flight numbers of the airplanes that left from each airport gives us the full message of the Second Coming.

Logan International Airport (o) + 11 = 309
Logan International Airport (o) + 175 = 473
Dulles International Airport (o) + 77 = 399
Newark International Airport (o)+ 93 = 414

309 + 473 + 399 + 414 = 1595
The Second Coming of Jesus christ (a) = 1595

12. The absolute values of 'Pope John Paul the Second' and 'Pope John Paul II' are encoded twice within the first 24 words of the NIV, in exactly the same place as the six encodings of the words 'Jesus', 'Messiah', 'Word' and Yehoshua'. See

www.thenewbiblecode.co.uk/resurrection.html

thebluetriangle

Daniel 8.
Verses 3-4, the ram with two horns; and verses 5-8, the male goat coming from the west with one horn over the surface of the earth without touching the ground, the identity seems to be explained later in verses 20 and 21. Ram with 2 horns= Media and Persia (present Iran), goat with one horn= kingdom of Greece (present Greece)
This has happened previously in history with Alexander the Greats defeat of the Medes and Persians, but it seems to be referring to this happening again in verse 19 at the final period of the indignation, for it pertains to the appointed time of the end. Many times in the prophetic, history repeats itself.
I have not studied this at length, I have never heard of this being related to 9/11 or the Pope before.
As to Bible codes I have both of Michael Drosnins books and have read them,
they are very interesting.
I do not presently have any more info than that. If I can get some time I will research a little more, but my current next to read list is 15 books deep.

Biker

[Biker]

A degree of interpretation is always required when reading texts. Truths are often couched in symbolism, allegory and metaphor and many prophecies are given in these terms. What I am saying is that many biblical prophecies and narratives, such as the tower of Babel story, Jesus causing the fig-tree to wither, the crucifixion of Jesus, the destruction of the two witnesses and the destruction of the beast, can be seen as metaphors for the events of 9/11. Encoded numbers within the NIV appear to support that interpretation - in fact led me to that understanding.

There is symbolism in the destruction of the ram's horns. The ram was a sacrificial animal in biblical times - for instance, substituting for Isaac in Genesis 22 - leading to the idea of the sacrificial lamb, who was Jesus. Remember that 9/11 symbolised the crucifixion, according to my interpretation of the code.

So it seems you seriously consider the deaths of a measly 2500 people to be included in your Bibles prophecies, that is Truly amazing. It also shows you consider americans superior to none-americans, a stance I have no knowledge of how you explain.

What about the hundreds of thousands of lives killed by the U.S alone, why are these 2500 americans (quite a deal of them not even americans for your note) so important, and valuable?

WHO is this beast you speak of? Muslims? The U.S have been in war and responsible for uncountable number of innocent deaths. But perhaps muslims are less worth, not being Christian? Please explain.

God will not stand by and let us destroy ourselves. The USA, the new Rome, was leading the world (much of which was gladly following) towards collective suicide. If we are to survive the current world crisis, we must be led by our higher natures, instead of letting our lower natures drive us. This is the meaning of the 'crucifixion' of the twin towers, representing avarice, and the Pentagon, representing power-by-force. These were the very symbols of man's rebellion, outer manifestations of what is in reality within our hearts. They are also what separates us from our Creator, and their destruction by the Christ was a clear message to us all: to survive as a species we must remove them from our hearts and our world.

WOW!!!
The U.S is the NEW ROME baby. Cool.

Lets see, I assume you mean the Roman Empire. Im curious, how is the U.S even mentioned in the same sentence?

The U.S is by any definition a tragic example of a nation. Massive poverty for a western country, Poor education, Violance etcetera. It seems you lack the historical knowledge of United States. Are you aware that it is because of the Second World War the United States can even feed itself today?

Because of WWII, the U.S got an advantage, which all countries not involved in war get. And use it to its advantage which you can see today, the most advanced nations on the planet was in war, Talk about take the milk and run. And they did, and AMAZINGLY enough, manage to keep such poor education in the country, that the average american believe anything they are told from that the U.S was the ones 'winning the second world war', to 'WMD in Iraq'.


The United States is not the world. Explain how you seem to equate the U.S with all these 'prophecies', and manage to Ignore facts and the world... Please, do tell.


I get reminded of one of the Super Man movies, with Reeves. When the evil guys wants to see the WORLD LEADER, and get to see the U.S PRESIDENT.. WOW, talk about DELUSION....

This is a bit off topic but I couldn't remain silent.

The US is by definition a tragic example of a nation.

Hmmm.
Maybe that is why we are contemplating putting up a wall to keep the millions of multinationals from sneaking into this "tragic example", to work, unannounced and undocumented. I know I live on the US-Mexican border, and cross it numerous times a week.
Maybe that is why the whole world is clamoring to come here to take advantage of our universities, hospitals, jobs, cultural events, sporting events, art museums, realestate, banking institutions, technologies, etc etc etc etc etc.
Me thinks you have no idea what your talking about, sport!
What wonderful country are you from?
Oh, and I forgot, just look up the statistics on the various recent (last 75 years)world disasters sometime, and see who (that tragic example) comes to the aid of EVERYBODY, with money, food, clothing, medical, infrastructure, etc etc etc etc.
Because of the Christian principles that this country was founded on, and influences into every aspect of our culture, including the US military. Who is putting that tragic nation back together called Iraq, in spite of their 700A.D. selves.

Biker

[jamesearl]

A degree of interpretation is always required when reading texts. Truths are often couched in symbolism, allegory and metaphor and many prophecies are given in these terms. What I am saying is that many biblical prophecies and narratives, such as the tower of Babel story, Jesus causing the fig-tree to wither, the crucifixion of Jesus, the destruction of the two witnesses and the destruction of the beast, can be seen as metaphors for the events of 9/11. Encoded numbers within the NIV appear to support that interpretation - in fact led me to that understanding.

There is symbolism in the destruction of the ram's horns. The ram was a sacrificial animal in biblical times - for instance, substituting for Isaac in Genesis 22 - leading to the idea of the sacrificial lamb, who was Jesus. Remember that 9/11 symbolised the crucifixion, according to my interpretation of the code.

So it seems you seriously consider the deaths of a measly 2500 people to be included in your Bibles prophecies, that is Truly amazing. It also shows you consider americans superior to none-americans, a stance I have no knowledge of how you explain.

What about the hundreds of thousands of lives killed by the U.S alone, why are these 2500 americans (quite a deal of them not even americans for your note) so important, and valuable?

WHO is this beast you speak of? Muslims? The U.S have been in war and responsible for uncountable number of innocent deaths. But perhaps muslims are less worth, not being Christian? Please explain.

God will not stand by and let us destroy ourselves. The USA, the new Rome, was leading the world (much of which was gladly following) towards collective suicide. If we are to survive the current world crisis, we must be led by our higher natures, instead of letting our lower natures drive us. This is the meaning of the 'crucifixion' of the twin towers, representing avarice, and the Pentagon, representing power-by-force. These were the very symbols of man's rebellion, outer manifestations of what is in reality within our hearts. They are also what separates us from our Creator, and their destruction by the Christ was a clear message to us all: to survive as a species we must remove them from our hearts and our world.

WOW!!!
The U.S is the NEW ROME baby. Cool.

Lets see, I assume you mean the Roman Empire. Im curious, how is the U.S even mentioned in the same sentence?

The U.S is by any definition a tragic example of a nation. Massive poverty for a western country, Poor education, Violance etcetera. It seems you lack the historical knowledge of United States. Are you aware that it is because of the Second World War the United States can even feed itself today?

Because of WWII, the U.S got an advantage, which all countries not involved in war get. And use it to its advantage which you can see today, the most advanced nations on the planet was in war, Talk about take the milk and run. And they did, and AMAZINGLY enough, manage to keep such poor education in the country, that the average american believe anything they are told from that the U.S was the ones 'winning the second world war', to 'WMD in Iraq'.


The United States is not the world. Explain how you seem to equate the U.S with all these 'prophecies', and manage to Ignore facts and the world... Please, do tell.


I get reminded of one of the Super Man movies, with Reeves. When the evil guys wants to see the WORLD LEADER, and get to see the U.S PRESIDENT.. WOW, talk about DELUSION....

This is a bit off topic but I couldn't remain silent.

The US is by definition a tragic example of a nation.

Hmmm.
Maybe that is why we are contemplating putting up a wall to keep the millions of multinationals from sneaking into this "tragic example", to work, unannounced and undocumented. I know I live on the US-Mexican border, and cross it numerous times a week.
Maybe that is why the whole world is clamoring to come here to take advantage of our universities, hospitals, jobs, cultural events, sporting events, art museums, realestate, banking institutions, technologies, etc etc etc etc etc.
Me thinks you have no idea what your talking about, sport!
What wonderful country are you from?
Oh, and I forgot, just look up the statistics on the various recent (last 75 years)world disasters sometime, and see who (that tragic example) comes to the aid of EVERYBODY, with money, food, clothing, medical, infrastructure, etc etc etc etc.
Because of the Christian principles that this country was founded on, and influences into every aspect of our culture, including the US military. Who is putting that tragic nation back together called Iraq, in spite of their 700A.D. selves.

Biker[/quote

hahah, So that makes it better then all other WESTERN nations... Wow, good logic there.

[thebluetriangle]

LittlePig,

Pray tell me why God would secret away approximations of random numeric constants

Are you mathematically literate? Far from being "random numeric constants", pi and e are the two most important absolutes in mathematics, underlying all of science and technology. There are hundreds of constants to choose from. Isn't it significant that the two universally acknowledged to be the most important and useful (not to mention the most famous) were the ones encoded?

in texts that in their every day meaning are much less accurate approximations of truth? God guides each letter with a calculator but allows his authors to inject their human ignorance? Did I mention something earlier about selective focus?

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God.

Where are the inaccuracies in the above verses? Where has human ignorance been injected?

The odd thing about numbers is that they are all related. Put enough of them in a basket, assign mystical meanings to certain combinations, and you have the perfect religious 8-ball. And, as with the 8-ball, you won't ask whether or not you should kill your mother with any seriousness. The only acceptable answers are the ones you want to hear. Sometimes life exhibits interesting coincidences.

Sometimes miracles occur.

There is also a common human tendency to see more in coincidences than is really there.

The incidence of coincidence is so prevalent, that it cannot be considered coincidence...

Abraham Lincoln was elected to Congress in 1846.
John F. Kennedy was elected to Congress in 1946.
-------------------------------------------------
And here's the kicker...
A week before Lincoln was shot, he was in Monroe, Maryland.
A week before Kennedy was shot, he was in Maryland, Monroe.

Maybe that wasn't coincidence. In fact, some people would cite this as evidence of synchronicity (meaningful coincidence). The argument is metaphysical. Either you accept the reality of synchronicity or you do not. Interestingly, those who do not are less likely to experience it. You have to open yourself to the possibility, leave the door open a crack.

However, we oddly ignore the situations where no coincidence is observed.What is coincidence and what is not is a matter of assigning meaning. Any and all arrangements are coincidence, but in most we find no meaning. In your case that would simply be a failure of the imagination. I suspect you could unearth some very interesting and satanic coincidences in the Bible codes if you made the effort. Someone should make the effort to find 666 patterns telling you to kill yourself. Patterns can have significance, but I think you are attaching significance that isn't there.

To stridently opine "Any and all arrangements are coincidence" is simply to state that you don't believe in synchronicity, another definition for which is the organising of events by a higher power into meaningful patterns. I do.

People like me are well aware that coincidences occur and that we cannot attach significance to every seemingly meaningful event - it has to strongly impress itself upon us to have a chance of being considered meaningful. In fact, I believe that true coincidence does not exist, any more than true randomness exists. There is meaning in everything, just as there is hidden order even in the seemingly random. But most of the time the meaning is that there is no meaning. So a leaf falls from a tree in front of you, but it has no real significance for you at that moment. An apple falls from a tree in front of Isaac Newton and he starts thinking about gravity (I'm not saying that was synchronicity, but it could have been).

As for 666, here's an interesting piece of gematria:

The City of Boston + the City of New York + the City of Washington DC (o) = 666


thebluetriangle

[thebluetriangle]

jamesearl,

So it seems you seriously consider the deaths of a measly 2500 people to be included in your Bibles prophecies, that is Truly amazing. It also shows you consider americans superior to none-americans, a stance I have no knowledge of how you explain.

Like it or not, the USA is in many ways the leading nation in the world. This places it in a position of great responsibility, of which it has shown itself to be totally unworthy, and which is why it may not lead the world for much longer.

What about the hundreds of thousands of lives killed by the U.S alone, why are these 2500 americans (quite a deal of them not even americans for your note) so important, and valuable?

American lives are of no more or less importance than other lives. However, the USA is very visible to the rest of the world and New York and Washington are it's most prominent cities. 9/11 was a staged drama, the impact of which was psycho-spiritual as much as anything else. It would not have had this impact if such an event had taken place in, say, the Namibian desert.

WHO is this beast you speak of? Muslims? The U.S have been in war and responsible for uncountable number of innocent deaths. But perhaps muslims are less worth, not being Christian? Please explain.

A good question. I said that the twin towers were the very horns of the beast. In fact they were an archetypal manifestation of a force that stalks the earth. Most Christians would call it the Devil, satan, Lucifer, etc, but I don't believe such an entity exists. I would call it "fear-based thinking", which divides us, and has to be replaced by "love-inspired thinking", which unites us.

WOW!!!
The U.S is the NEW ROME baby. Cool.

In terms of its military power, concentration of wealth, insularity, willingness to exploit and expansionist tendencies, yes, it is the new Roman Empire. Philip K. Dick, the science fiction writer and gnostic, believed that the Roman empire never really ended. I agree.

Are you aware that it is because of the Second World War the United States can even feed itself today?

You may be right.

Explain how you seem to equate the U.S with all these 'prophecies', and manage to Ignore facts and the world... Please, do tell.

I'm not saying that many biblical passages were actually propheseying 9/11: the code is saying that. I'm merely trying to interpret it's message.

I get reminded of one of the Super Man movies, with Reeves. When the evil guys wants to see the WORLD LEADER, and get to see the U.S PRESIDENT.. WOW, talk about DELUSION....

The problem with most Christians is that they see Jesus Christ as some kind of Superman, who will come to save us. The truth is, we will have to save ourselves, although the Holy Spirit will help us if we ask it. 9/11 was our call to awaken.

thebluetriangle

[bernee51]

jamesearl,

So it seems you seriously consider the deaths of a measly 2500 people to be included in your Bibles prophecies, that is Truly amazing. It also shows you consider americans superior to none-americans, a stance I have no knowledge of how you explain.

Like it or not, the USA is in many ways the leading nation in the world.

Yep - leading in number of peoples incarcerated. Leading in incarceration of minorities. Leaders in the West in executing prisoners. Leading in believing that the world was created 4000 years ago. Leading in believing that Jesus will come in the next 50 years. Leaders in claiming the golden rule as it guiding principle and leaders in ignoring it.

And that's just for starters.

This places it in a position of great responsibility, of which it has shown itself to be totally unworthy, and which is why it may not lead the world for much longer.

All empires crumble.

A good question. I said that the twin towers were the very horns of the beast. In fact they were an archetypal manifestation of a force that stalks the earth. Most Christians would call it the Devil, satan, Lucifer, etc, but I don't believe such an entity exists. I would call it "fear-based thinking", which divides us, and has to be replaced by "love-inspired thinking", which unites us.

And around what would you base this 'love based thinking'?

j

I get reminded of one of the Super Man movies, with Reeves. When the evil guys wants to see the WORLD LEADER, and get to see the U.S PRESIDENT.. WOW, talk about DELUSION....

The problem with most Christians is that they see Jesus Christ as some kind of Superman, who will come to save us. The truth is, we will have to save ourselves, although the Holy Spirit will help us if we ask it. 9/11 was our call to awaken.

Which holy spirit? And how do you propose it be asked?

We are up to post# 148 and still no proof of god...what a bunch of slackers!

[thebluetriangle]

LittlePig,

thebluetriangle
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This is why, six hours before the first plane struck the North Tower, I heard an inner voice say 'Serpent Power'. 9/11 was when the serpent struck.

I think there should be a new debate rule added to the board. People have to disclose all sources of subjective supernatural confirmation prior to entering into 'reasoned' discussion. That way people who have better things to do can avoid time wasting efforts to persuade the other side whose belief is based on something completely other than reason or the appearance thereof.

How presbyterian. Are you aware that the Bible is chock-full of dreams, visions, signs, angels, miracles and one full-blown Resurrection?

thebluetriangle

[thebluetriangle]

Hi Biker.

Daniel 8.
Verses 3-4, the ram with two horns; and verses 5-8, the male goat coming from the west with one horn over the surface of the earth without touching the ground, the identity seems to be explained later in verses 20 and 21. Ram with 2 horns= Media and Persia (present Iran), goat with one horn= kingdom of Greece (present Greece)

As I said earlier, prophecies may have more than one meaning. History is fractal in nature, with self-similar patterns repeating over time. However, I believe that Daniel's vision of the ram (which has sacrificial implications) and the goat was, at least in part, a precognition of 9/11.

This has happened previously in history with Alexander the Greats defeat of the Medes and Persians, but it seems to be referring to this happening again in verse 19 at the final period of the indignation, for it pertains to the appointed time of the end. Many times in the prophetic, history repeats itself.

We're in agreement then.

I have not studied this at length, I have never heard of this being related to 9/11 or the Pope before.

You won't have, because the purpose of the code was to reveal this very information. Without the numbers to guide, it would be impossible to reach this conclusion. The code makes three stunning statements.

9/11 represented the Crucifixion.
The funeral of Pope John Paul II represented the Resurrection.
Both events together announced (and were manifestations of) the Second Coming.

It also contains a kind of authenticating watermark, a raft of encoded material miraculously fitted into the NIV's first few verses.

As to Bible codes I have both of Michael Drosnins books and have read them, they are very interesting.
I do not presently have any more info than that. If I can get some time I will research a little more, but my current next to read list is 15 books deep.

Please do. You might like to start with my website.

www.thenewbiblecode.co.uk

thebluetriangle