Proof of the Christian God

[RonE]

In a current topic there was the following post:

Merely saying something is true does not make it true….
We as humans like to have proof.
Gullible people accept things, because it suits them…

And yet theists continue to claim that a creator being exists and that it made everything, despite repeatedly failing to provide any evidence to substantiate the claim....

I’ve seen other posts in the past on this site where theist claim to have scientific evidence of God. I never seen this actually done, usually their evidence is never presented, if something is presented it is invariably misquoted, or doesn’t say what the presenter claims it does.
So, to help us not be “gullible people�. This topic will be dedicated to theists to provide that which has been claimed but never provided, to my knowledge, real scientific evidence of the Christian god.
First, some definitions and parameters for debate:
1. Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support, or counter, a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpreted in accordance with scientific methods. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls applied. Wikipedia
2. The scientific hypothesis you will be trying to support with your evidence goes like this: “there is a god as defined in the Christian bible who is omnificent, omnipotent, omniscient, etc. and creator of the universe�.
3. This is not a debate about evolution, disproving evolution is not a proof that your god exists. Nor is it about attempting to debunk other scientific hypothesis or theories, unless doing so is direct proof that your god exists, disproving the theory of gravity is not evidence of your god.
4. Please follow the forum rules. “the Bible or other religious writings are not to be considered evidence for scientific claims.�

The rules for this debate are simple:
1) present your scientific evidence of your god
2) see #1

If you don’t have the evidence, please don’t waste everyone’s time.
If you don't like the OP create one for your own topic.

[RonE]

[Replying to post 1 by RonE]

Another year has past, I come back here from time to time just to see if any have felt up to the challenge of this post.

A few have tried, so far no one has come close. In the first year I tried to help one theist develop a hypothesis but he didn't seem to get the concept.

There is another, more current topic (#34076) which is the flip side of this, asking for scientific proof that god is false/doesn't exist. Of course as we all know it isn't possible to provide evidence to prove something exists that doesn't exist, like my purple unicorn. I'd rather that those who make the claim of god(s) provide the evidence, no surprise they haven't in two years now.

Best regards to all.

[William]

[Replying to post 171 by RonE]

Best regards to all.

And to you.

Perhaps we shall hear from you in another year or so?

Meantime, you might want to look at some of these topics in my Members Notes.

♦ The evolution of the understanding of the idea of GOD

Therein;
♦The GOD of many names and faces.

♦The Local GOD - Entity Earth.

♦The Local GOD - Entity Earth. 2

♦The Mediums between GOD and Individual

♦The day the Fat Lady sings

♦Earth Entity as an aspect of GOD (a GOD but not THE GOD)

♦Speaking of the local GOD...

♦Religion is just one aspect in which the Earth Entity uses to attract human attention.

♦Hearing the presences of Brethren.

♦Anthropomorphism - The fog of confusion lifts over human understanding..."GOD" is not like "Human".

♦Consciousness is all inclusive.

♦The larger part our subconscious plays in relation to connecting with the mind of Earth Entity.

♦Subconscious experience is the interface between GOD and the individual.

♦Our Mother Who Is In Heaven...

♦Discernment=Options

♦The evidence is within the fact of the evidence.

♦Life begat life - Consciousness is life.

♦Life begat life - Consciousness is life and purposeful 2

♦Evidence of Self Conscious Intelligence ~ Bees.

♦ET - or perhaps a former species evolved in the dinosaur age.

♦Creation is not the Creator.

♦ Until Death Do We Part.

♦GOD Earth Entity and ETs - the metaphore of The Garden of Eden.

♦The Earth Entity - A GOD in its own right. +

♦b]Prayer [Requests to one's idea of GOD ] is said to work for all types of belief systems

♦Rebuking the reprobate belief systems.

♦Victim blaming to save God's character

♦Is Belief in a GOD simply the yearnings of our ancestors to make sense of the incomprehensible?

♦The theory of Intelligent Design in relation to the theory of evolution.

♦What would a perfect GOD do?

♦Did Jesus dismiss Yahweh?

♦Sacrifice and atonement, forgiveness and revenge. How is justice understood?

♦Seeing GOD in the actions attributed to Yahweh - can this be done? What is the naked Truth? [2] [3] [4]

♦GOD knows Itself always in the position of the Actuality, and in that, is always in the position that my position is 'catching up with' and that this process is me evolving in my understanding of the idea of GOD.

♦Can we find good in God?

♦If the idea of GOD is 'evolving', then what's the problem? If 'static' then yes - therein is the problem.

♦The idea that GOD is the same 'yesterday, today and forever' can be aligned with the idea of a GOD evolving within the understanding of human beings.

♦We do not notice immaturity until we start to mature.

♦First remove the husk from the seed, then plant, nurture and see the plant mature...

♦I wonder if we look for perfection in all things, because we sense it is somehow missing?

♦Every 'thing' exists in the Mind Of The First Source

♦GOD is a big thing which organised religion has sought to fit -unsuccessfully - into a very small thing.

♦ Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine "verifiable evidence"

Therein;
The old Switcheroo routine exposed yet again

Positive claim

The oxymoron phrase: "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" debunked

Demanding unspecified evidence to prove that GOD does exist, is fallacy.

There ARE no examples of scientific evidence that would convince anyone God exists.

Are you actually wanting to buy a car or just wasting time debating with the salesman?

What kind of thing(s) would you expect to see which would convince you that GOD exists?

You believe your interpretation of the evidence as being the one which is truth. In that, you conflate.

I do not rationally expect anyone to come up with the actual evidence of science to support their assertion that science is saying that GOD does not exist.

♦ Biological Evolution is a platform in which intelligence can and does display itself.

Therein;
The purpose of the universe is a conscious decision.


The evidence is the same. It is just interpreted differently.and

The magical thinking involved with the belief of random mindless evolution of the universe and everything within it

Conscious determination behind the reason the universe exists.

Were Adam and Eve apes?

♦ Panentheism/Panpsychism is the best idea of GOD.

Therein;

♦ The evolution of the understanding of the idea of GOD

♦ Conference of neuro-Anatomiste Jill Bolte Taylor = "My Stroke of Insight".

♦ GOD as Consciousness

♦ Seeing GOD in all religions - Adhering to none

♦ Evidence of Design

♦ Evidence of the nature of GOD within the design of the universe

♦ Panpsychism re empirical data and evidence

♦ The universe does need a creator in order to exist

♦ A creator without a beginning

♦ Communicating with the local GOD at an individual level.

♦ Why call it 'GOD'?

♦ The process of Consciousness Divesting into form - Looking for GOD in all the right places

♦ Reconciling religious ideas of GOD with the Earth Entity

♦ What would the search to discover what is God if it were to be carried out by modern science?

♦ Explaining Solipsism in relation to Pantheism

♦ Fractals give a great visual of the processes of GOD+Creativity&Exploration

♦ "God isn't very bright and is using a trial and error method of trying to design things" How Pantheism deals with such a notion.

♦ The mind of First Source GOD is not outside of the consciousness of First Source.

♦ We are GOD removing Itself from the knowledge of Itself in order to experience that condition

♦ Thread - Panentheism

♦ Thread - Can you be a Panentheist and a Christian?

♦ GOD = Consciousness in all things - throughout the universe (and likely beyond)

♦ Intelligent design or random probability?

♦ Best Options or Suppressed Options?

♦ Which came first- the material [chicken] or the material [egg]? Most likely it was the non-material.

♦ The Breath of GOD...what is it?

♦ “If you think about consciousness long enough, you either become a panpsychist or you go into administration.�~ John Perry

♦ Pantheism does recognize morality as more than 'human-ape' opinion.

♦ The Ghost In The Machine

[RonE]

[Replying to post 172 by William]

Thanks William.

If you've some evidence, for or against, the subject of god(s) that is supported by scientific documentation & testing then I'll look at it, but your topic list does not compel me to investigation.