Why do christians believe in god?

[kilese]

I want to know how, in this modern world, people still worship a god. I don't know about anyone else, but I can't even try to believe it. I see no logic in it at all, to believe in a magical being that lives in the clouds. You can't possibly truly believe in it all. If you do, then humans are more clueless than i thought. Why worship someone who lets children starve everyday? If he has the power to stop it, and doesn't, then he is malevolent. But if he doesn't have the power, he is not a god. And if god created freewill and is omnipotent, then he would already know about all the horrible things in the world that would happen, and could have stopped it. And if he's omnipotent, whats the point of praying? Your prayers would have already been heard. And no one's prayers have been answered, so he is not worth worshiping, and therefore, is not a god. I'm not try to attack anyone, i just can't understand how anyone can believe all this.

[JohnnyJersey]

I want to know how, in this modern world, people still worship a god.

The implication here is that people who live in this "modern world" but still worship a god are not fitting in with the modern world. So, the OP implies that all who worship a god are ignorant in that they adhere to outdated modes of thinking.

I find that offensive, not to mention ignorant.

I don't know about anyone else, but I can't even try to believe it. I see no logic in it at all, to believe in a magical being that lives in the clouds.

Here, the OP reduces religious and spiritual beliefs to being nothing more than simple, ignorant belief of "a magical being that lives in the clouds", not unlike the Giant in Jack and the Beanstalk. Basically, he is equating people's deeply held spiritual beliefs with children's fairy tales. Nothing new - many irreligious in this forum express the same sentiment in the same offensive, mocking manner. What's ridiculous is that this, even when reported to the admin and mods, is considered "acceptable" behavior in this forum. It goes to show to whom the admins and mods here want to ingratiate themselves; I guess they recognizes which group has more time to sit around posting on the internet (i.e. less of a life)
so they kowtow to their biggest customers.

You can't possibly truly believe in it all. If you do, then humans are more clueless than i thought.

Now religous people are called "clueless"; but this is "civil" by this board.

Why worship someone who lets children starve everyday? If he has the power to stop it, and doesn't, then he is malevolent. But if he doesn't have the power, he is not a god. And if god created freewill and is omnipotent, then he would already know about all the horrible things in the world that would happen, and could have stopped it. And if he's omnipotent, whats the point of praying? Your prayers would have already been heard. And no one's prayers have been answered, so he is not worth worshiping, and therefore, is not a god. I'm not try to attack anyone, i just can't understand how anyone can believe all this.

And it's topped off with the typical atheist rant of essentially "if God is so powerful why isn't he doing things that I would do and running the universe the way I would run the universe?" The best thing about this rant is that it at least expresses an atheist view of dissension from religious belief while not calling religious people anything offensive. I don't agree with the rant, but I can at least discuss it as there is an expression of a different belief with nothing offensive in it.

But that doesn't change all the offensive horsecrap before it.

Am I the only Christian on here that refuses to accept being treated completely unfairly in a forum that, being a "debate" forum, can only be taken seriously when rules are applied fairly and evenly? I suppose the others are banned and only the (very few) ones who are content to deal with the unfair nature of the forum remain.

No wonder it's overrun with the irreligious and hardly any Christians are active here.

[Zzyzx]

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I want to know how, in this modern world, people still worship a god.

The implication here is that people who live in this "modern world" but still worship a god are not fitting in with the modern world.

Perhaps you can demonstrate that believing that demons cause disease is in keeping with modern medical knowledge? Or, that water magically turns into wine? Or that drought or destructive natural events are punishment for sins?

So, the OP implies that all who worship a god are ignorant in that they adhere to outdated modes of thinking.

If you think otherwise, SHOW that the implication is in error.

I find that offensive, not to mention ignorant.

Is that more offensive than god worshipers denigrating scientific knowledge, or education, or disbelief in gods? Do you avoid making comments along those lines " and protest when other religionists make such mistakes?

I don't know about anyone else, but I can't even try to believe it. I see no logic in it at all, to believe in a magical being that lives in the clouds.

Here, the OP reduces religious and spiritual beliefs to being nothing more than simple, ignorant belief of "a magical being that lives in the clouds", not unlike the Giant in Jack and the Beanstalk.

Much of what is presented by those who worship one of the thousands of proposed gods implies that a supernatural, invisible, undetectable being influences human lives or a proposed afterlife " with no evidence (other than tales in a book plus conjecture, opinion and dogma).

How is that different from a magical being that lives in the clouds?

Basically, he is equating people's deeply held spiritual beliefs with children's fairy tales. Nothing new - many irreligious in this forum express the same sentiment in the same offensive, mocking manner.

I, for one, do NOT challenge anyones personal and private beliefs.

HOWEVER, I DO challenge statements made in public debate claiming knowledge of supernaturalism. My challenge is show evidence (not testimonials, tales, and opinions).

What's ridiculous is that this, even when reported to the admin and mods, is considered "acceptable" behavior in this forum.

Several sub-forums are set aside for discussions that assume that the bible is authoritative. The C&A sub-forum is set aside and clearly identified by Guidelines as a debate sub-forum which does NOT make that assumption.

Those who are uncomfortable with attempting to debate under the Guidelines, are not forced to participate.

It goes to show to whom the admins and mods here want to ingratiate themselves; I guess they recognizes which group has more time to sit around posting on the internet (i.e. less of a life) so they kowtow to their biggest customers.

In my opinion, the forum is VERY fairly moderated, with absolutely NO kowtowing to any point of view.

Perhaps what appears to you as has more time to sit around posting on the Internet is a matter of ABILITY to debate a topic and a more rational position to defend.

My personal position is, as often clearly stated, I have encountered absolutely no evidence that indicates to me that any of the thousands of gods worshiped, feared, venerated, proposed or invented by humans actually exist. I am open to considering any credible evidence that anyone can present.

You can't possibly truly believe in it all. If you do, then humans are more clueless than i thought.

Now religous people are called "clueless"; but this is "civil" by this board.

DO you believe all tales about ALL gods? DO you accept as truthful all of the claims made for the thousands of gods?

Why worship someone who lets children starve everyday? If he has the power to stop it, and doesn't, then he is malevolent. But if he doesn't have the power, he is not a god. And if god created freewill and is omnipotent, then he would already know about all the horrible things in the world that would happen, and could have stopped it. And if he's omnipotent, whats the point of praying? Your prayers would have already been heard. And no one's prayers have been answered, so he is not worth worshiping, and therefore, is not a god. I'm not try to attack anyone, i just can't understand how anyone can believe all this.

And it's topped off with the typical atheist rant of essentially "if God is so powerful why isn't he doing things that I would do and running the universe the way I would run the universe?" The best thing about this rant is that it at least expresses an atheist view of dissension from religious belief while not calling religious people anything offensive. I don't agree with the rant, but I can at least discuss it as there is an expression of a different belief with nothing offensive in it.

But that doesn't change all the offensive horsecrap before it.

Can you DISPUTE, with evidence, what you condemn as horsecrap? Can you show that god is omnipotent, that there is free will, or that prayers are answered (with greater frequency that by chance alone)?

Am I the only Christian on here that refuses to accept being treated completely unfairly in a forum that, being a "debate" forum, can only be taken seriously when rules are applied fairly and evenly?

Several Christians are highly respected members of this forum. They seem quite comfortable and capable.

I suppose the others are banned and only the (very few) ones who are content to deal with the unfair nature of the forum remain.

People are censured or banned for repeatedly disregarding Forum Rules and Guidelines. Everyone agrees to abide by Forum Rules and Guidelines when they join. Those who disagree with practices and policies are not welcome to do whatever they please in the guise of debate.

Many Fervently Religious join with the assumption that Christian viewpoints will be given preferential treatment " had evidently have difficulty adjusting to the real world of fair and equitable debate.

Those who are censured or banned often begin by showing contempt for the forum and thereby calling themselves to the attention (negatively) of Admin and Moderators.

No wonder it's overrun with the irreligious and hardly any Christians are active here.

As has been noted previously, the irreligious do not outnumber (or out post) Christians. Though it must seem that way to those who cannot successfully debate or defend supernatural claims (since they lack evidence required in honorable debate " and offer nothing more than tales, conjecture, opinion and testimonials).

[JohnnyJersey]

...<a whole lotta horsecrap SNIPPED>[qusince they lack evidence required in honorable debate " and offer nothing more than tales, conjecture, opinion and testimonials).

None of your irrelevant horsecrap justifies the offensiveness of irreligious people on this forum and you of all people have no place to talk when it comes to "debate", much less adherence to forum Rules.

The forum Rules, no matter that they're agreed to, are not enforced or applied fairly, and otseng has admitted this to me. The rules can be as fair as can be but if they are applied and enforced unfairly they are worthless. You, of all people, are the prime example, with your harrassment, your offensiveness, your going off-topic, your inability to debate and never once being censured or punished beyond a minor slap on the wrist for it.

I'm sick of your inane drivel, you're an unemployed know-nothing with nothing to do but sit around and play on the internet. Find a job, find a hobby, do something.

[Flail]

...<a whole lotta horsecrap SNIPPED>[qusince they lack evidence required in honorable debate " and offer nothing more than tales, conjecture, opinion and testimonials).

None of your irrelevant horsecrap justifies the offensiveness of irreligious people on this forum and you of all people have no place to talk when it comes to "debate", much less adherence to forum Rules.

The forum Rules, no matter that they're agreed to, are not enforced or applied fairly, and otseng has admitted this to me. The rules can be as fair as can be but if they are applied and enforced unfairly they are worthless. You, of all people, are the prime example, with your harrassment, your offensiveness, your going off-topic, your inability to debate and never once being censured or punished beyond a minor slap on the wrist for it.

I'm sick of your inane drivel, you're an unemployed know-nothing with nothing to do but sit around and play on the internet. Find a job, find a hobby, do something.

Can you cite some specific examples of the non-enforcement of forum rules so that they may be addressed? Specific references to oversight would be preferable and more conducive to reform than name calling and mean spirited tangential blather.

[JohnnyJersey]

...<a whole lotta horsecrap SNIPPED>[qusince they lack evidence required in honorable debate " and offer nothing more than tales, conjecture, opinion and testimonials).

None of your irrelevant horsecrap justifies the offensiveness of irreligious people on this forum and you of all people have no place to talk when it comes to "debate", much less adherence to forum Rules.

The forum Rules, no matter that they're agreed to, are not enforced or applied fairly, and otseng has admitted this to me. The rules can be as fair as can be but if they are applied and enforced unfairly they are worthless. You, of all people, are the prime example, with your harrassment, your offensiveness, your going off-topic, your inability to debate and never once being censured or punished beyond a minor slap on the wrist for it.

I'm sick of your inane drivel, you're an unemployed know-nothing with nothing to do but sit around and play on the internet. Find a job, find a hobby, do something.

Can you cite some specific examples of the non-enforcement of forum rules so that they may be addressed? Specific references to oversight would be preferable and more conducive to reform than name calling and mean spirited tangential blather.

I have, in other threads, most recently referencing the offensive OP of the thread "How can people believe in god?" But if you haven't seen it then you won't see it when it's pointed out, because you choose to ignore it.

Anyway, I'm sick of providing facts to ignorant old rednecks like you who just blindly deny them even when they're presented. You want to remain ignorant so you will, no matter what I provide. Typical Texan - backwards and ignorant.

[Flail]

...<a whole lotta horsecrap SNIPPED>[qusince they lack evidence required in honorable debate " and offer nothing more than tales, conjecture, opinion and testimonials).

None of your irrelevant horsecrap justifies the offensiveness of irreligious people on this forum and you of all people have no place to talk when it comes to "debate", much less adherence to forum Rules.

The forum Rules, no matter that they're agreed to, are not enforced or applied fairly, and otseng has admitted this to me. The rules can be as fair as can be but if they are applied and enforced unfairly they are worthless. You, of all people, are the prime example, with your harrassment, your offensiveness, your going off-topic, your inability to debate and never once being censured or punished beyond a minor slap on the wrist for it.

I'm sick of your inane drivel, you're an unemployed know-nothing with nothing to do but sit around and play on the internet. Find a job, find a hobby, do something.

Can you cite some specific examples of the non-enforcement of forum rules so that they may be addressed? Specific references to oversight would be preferable and more conducive to reform than name calling and mean spirited tangential blather.

I have, in other threads, most recently referencing the offensive OP of the thread "How can people believe in god?" But if you haven't seen it then you won't see it when it's pointed out, because you choose to ignore it.

Anyway, I'm sick of providing facts to ignorant old rednecks like you who just blindly deny them even when they're presented. You want to remain ignorant so you will, no matter what I provide. Typical Texan - backwards and ignorant.

You are obviously having a bad day. I welcome your posts and find them valuable when they are on a topic other than your personal 'feelings' about others. Why don't we debate something substantive that has to do with Christianity or religion and not your personal 'anger issues'?

[JohnnyJersey]

You are obviously having a bad day. I welcome your posts and find them valuable when they are on a topic other than your personal 'feelings' about others. Why don't we debate something substantive that has to do with Christianity or religion and not your personal 'anger issues'?

Because you, sir (and I use that term loosely), are incapable of having such a discussion or debate without being offensive about it, like the majority of your fellow irreligious posters on here. My experience with you is that you routinely ignore what's said to you, you make claims that some fact or another wasn't provided when in fact it clearly was, and you throw in your barbs and jabs frequently.

I'm sick of your crap and other people's crap on this forum, and I'm sick of the mods and admins siding with jerks like you people.

You think one innocuous post somehow "proves" that you are open-minded? Well think again, huckleberry.

[Scotracer]

You are obviously having a bad day. I welcome your posts and find them valuable when they are on a topic other than your personal 'feelings' about others. Why don't we debate something substantive that has to do with Christianity or religion and not your personal 'anger issues'?

Because you, sir (and I use that term loosely), are incapable of having such a discussion or debate without being offensive about it, like the majority of your fellow irreligious posters on here. My experience with you is that you routinely ignore what's said to you, you make claims that some fact or another wasn't provided when in fact it clearly was, and you throw in your barbs and jabs frequently.

I'm sick of your crap and other people's crap on this forum, and I'm sick of the mods and admins siding with jerks like you people.

If you cannot handle your beliefs not being treated with kid gloves then I suggest this forum isn't the place for you. Here, everything is up for debate and nothing is sacred...just the way it should be in a debate.

[JoeyKnothead]

If you cannot handle your beliefs not being treated with kid gloves then I suggest this forum isn't the place for you. Here, everything is up for debate and nothing is sacred...just the way it should be in a debate.

Sometimes I pretend I'm one of the smart posters here and I've got all these real cool answers and arguments to present.

Is that wrong? Should I not do that? Am I a bad person? Someone hug me.

[Scotracer]

If you cannot handle your beliefs not being treated with kid gloves then I suggest this forum isn't the place for you. Here, everything is up for debate and nothing is sacred...just the way it should be in a debate.

Sometimes I pretend I'm one of the smart posters here and I've got all these real cool answers and arguments to present.

Is that wrong? Should I not do that? Am I a bad person? Someone hug me.

Y'all getting a hug from me and I'm the one you're ripping off! That says something.