The evidence of Concioussness existing without a brain

[TheTruth101]

The debtate took place as to a human mind holding a conciousness seperate from the brain. Because this would eventually mean, our conciousness derives from within just as much as the Brain. And ultimately, this would meet the prophecy of the Bible stating "Your body is your temple" and also, of the "Holy Spirit.
And conclusively, this would mean all logic of Atheists would go out the door, simply because they belive no brain means no conciousness, therefore no eternity.

This link was brought on by an opposition as to the debate. (little did they know, it actually helped support my position).
http://io9.com/5862418/10-bodily-functi ... fter-death


Now, the truth. Copy and pasted, please read on.

This is an article explaining what happens to the human body after death in scientific terms. As in, digestion and etc.

The point of the post is of the mind. I did relate the physical act of body as a premesis for the individuality of the mind between the brain and the body. However, this does not explain the situation of a mind being available within the body on its own merit. This rather addresses again, the scientific notions as to what happens physically within a body after it is left braindead.

The reason of this thread was to bring about the idea that body and the head can survive on its own without one supporting another. And infact that has been proved under your given evidence, however, the more important issues here are, the splitting of the mind existing under its own merit.

Wiith this said, i have given you a link of the wiki stating such happening, and this can bring about another question of the mind.

Can the body able to functio and be concious without the brain.

And this question also have been answered through the wiki link I have posted, the answer simply is what it is.

The adrnaline consists of fight and flight response, it is the core of the structure of how adrenaline comes about, and because of it, figght and flight response is related heavily with emotion resulting to fear.

If an emotion is brought about, fear in this case, also calls for euphoria or joy. If a human body can think on its own merit without the given brain, the logic of physics can infact be dismissed here.

As noted by your source, the cells of the body are infact working under its own conditions, and that would ultimately call for structured behavior on its own.

Without the cells of our body which make up for our body, including the thoughts of our brain and such, it is also recognized and should be noted here that cells OF THE BODY is under conciousness as well.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~regfjxe/awnew.htm

What neuroscience has established is that each brain cell functions as a separate receiving unit. There are a variety of routes for passing information from cell to cell, including direct channels between cell interiors in some cases

If information is sent and recieved, then its rather a clear indication that conscioussness is at works.

Then with this in mind, we would need to rely ion if cells can live without a body, and the answer is ofcourse yes. This would mean conciousness outside our body. As in, beggining of eternity.

For the ignorant Atheists, here is the deal under raw terms. Cells within our body with our given conciousness expands infinitely (A flu is an example), so if a single a single cell remembers all patterns of life (thus every cell has a DNA) then its established here under "sicentific notions" that there is infact eternity.

Everything stated here can be explained scientifically under the teachings of Buddah so far. (mid level)

Christs teachings of eternity is par above buddahs and will be explained later.


Will post later.

[TheTruth101]

If a flesh composes of the same elements as to a "flesh" of the tree without the added notions of "conciousness" within a tree, regardless of the fact, indeed an everlasting "body" or a branches of a tree can be said to be everlasting.

Hence, there is a condition where a human being consists of tree and and human organs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidermody ... ruciformis

So since in parts and bits, we have evidences of everlasting body (tree's cells what makes it live everlastiing) added in and being capable of intermix with human cells, (link above), then it is indeed possible that a human being can have an everlasting body without any pain as said in the bible.

The question is, wait there is no questions, since bits and pieces have been brought together here, it is only God that can put it together and make a human being that is free from emotions of pain and have an everlasting body.

Will post later.

[spiritualrevolution]

Because 1) soul and consciousness aren't synonymous, and 2) "soul" is only three-times shorter.

Cells don't do it alone, but collectively, they can, and do. The billions of cells in your brain are doing it right now. I believe mammals and birds can be conscious and self-aware to varying degrees as well, although they have nothing on us.

Dolphins, porpoises, parrots, chimps, gorillas, dogs, cats, pigs...

okay yea, so that's why i wanted to use the word soul too because whether all living things have souls or whether humans have souls at all is the point right? hey iin soviet russia, 3 times shorter = 1 billion

anyways i'll say right away that you can't provide evidence that such a thing as a soul exists... but i choose to believe in its existence anyways, because I think that there is an afterlife and we either get reincarnated or we go somewhere when we die, i bet it's not heaven, and it's not hell either. you become a shinigami who has to help other people become shinigami and you fight with each other with bigass swords...

unfortunately, having souls only raises more quesitons like why do only humans have souls... these questions have no logical answer and i just choose to ignore them and live in my own happy little world ...

[TheTruth101]

Cellular memory is a theory claiming a single cell can permamnetly and independently memorize an experience.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_memory



When a single cell recognize or memorize an experience, *prior posts suggest so* then it is also impertive to note that the very same cell that have experience pain due to a broken leg etc have been coded permenantly. If and so the pain the cells have felt is remembered as an experience, then it is also given that the very same cell have the ability to bring the pain back up when recalled of its information or experience.

In accordance to the theory, a single cell can permanently code a given experience. If and when God is within all of us *lets just say he's all the cells itself in the world at the same time meaning omnipresence*, then it is established here that a body being punched, or whipped,or broken can infact be made in replay repeadedly for all eternity to another human being if God wants it to. *since God is all cells and cells remember all experiences independently according to Cellular memory theory*

If and so this is true, then without God having to physically punch someone, he can reflect on a single cell having an experience with a broken leg, and apply it to anoother being across the country by inserting such cell to a human body. And the pain of having a leg broken can be felt by another subject he intends to force it upon.

On the other hand, if a person who had a moment of joy one day by achieving a certain task or a goal, then that very cell that remembered such experience can be applied to another human being, and that human being would feel effects of the joy felt by the originating cell that had such experience that have been coded permanently.

A single cell organism is never dying, and that SAME single cell has been coded to remember an experience permenantly*as evident by the cellular memory theory*, all God has to do is inject or force upon that particular cell that have had such experiences of pain *broken leg* , or joy *acheiving a goal* and apply it to another human subject and THAT subject can experience such pain or pleasure repeadedly and endlessly.


Will post later.

[dusk]

All kinds of things remember stuff in a way.
You should really try and understand better what awareness and self-awareness is.
That gibberish you write seems blatantly ignorant of the meaning of consciousness.

If I save all the information, that defines one human like me on a hard disk drive (assuming there was one that could hold all the information). That memory and save information isn't conscious.

First you need an abstract self and that self needs to be aware about its own being alive. Than you get somewhere.

[TheTruth101]

All kinds of things remember stuff in a way.
You should really try and understand better what awareness and self-awareness is.
That gibberish you write seems blatantly ignorant of the meaning of consciousness.

If I save all the information, that defines one human like me on a hard disk drive (assuming there was one that could hold all the information). That memory and save information isn't conscious.

First you need an abstract self and that self needs to be aware about its own being alive. Than you get somewhere.

Conciousness deals with memory, information stored and self awareness. I said that on a prior post. Self awareness is already identified thorugh how cells mingle and attract with another cell. When behavior is expressed, then awareness is there.

[TheTruth101]

When a cell is able to mingle with another cell to create a type of behavior that we express to another person, that it is reasonable to belive that ONE SINGLE cell can affect a pattern or our day to day behavior. When a single cell that defines our day to day motor skill burns up and becomes non existent, then our emotions and behaviors change as well. In all, our perception is altered to another view even if the instance were to be the exact same thing. If a cell that made you emotional and feel empathy towards another cease to exist, then that very feeling of empathy should go away or become non existent.
Many serial killers get labeled as psychopaths and most, if not all, have this in common. They lack a gene or a cell that gives us the feeling of compassion, empathy etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy

In turn, if a cell that supports euphoria in our brain is captured through a single cell organism and injected, it may be possible that we can feel the euphoria effects at all times for as long as one live. The problem with this concept is however, the euphoria that we feel runs out eventually due to the extermination of cells that are get attacked by the toxin or negative cells, while it is behaving. If the cells that do such harm, in which that causes the destruction of the euphorc cells are exterminated all together, then it is possible we can have neverending bliss.

Jesus Christ have said "satan is of this world". And satan itself means "offender or an accuser, an adversary" simply someone who dosent make us feel good.

If one were to assort or conclude the bad cells in our body to that nature of satans, or little demons, and if the one overcomes satans in this life, it can definately be made to work that only the good or fresh cells are patterend in the second everlasting body which was said in th ebible, in which, again, concludes to no more death, no more pain, no more aging, and a state of eternal bliss.

Will post later.

[Star]

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This is entirely fictional rambling that "Truth" invents as he goes along.

I mean, a euphoria cell? Single cells acting on their own? Negative cells? Come on.

This prolific fabrication of information has no place in intellectual debate.

[JoeyKnothead]

From the OP:

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Link to and referenced as "Bodily functions that continue after death"

The only bodily functions that continue after death are the somewhat impolite in polite company release of gases, and the decaying like all get out.

Now, the truth. Copy and pasted, please read on.

Truth ought'n ever be bound to a copy and paste, but that there it sits being it.

The point of the post is of the mind. I did relate the physical act of body as a premesis for the individuality of the mind between the brain and the body. However, this does not explain the situation of a mind being available within the body on its own merit. This rather addresses again, the scientific notions as to what happens physically within a body after it is left braindead.

Your struggles with the English language seem exacerbated by your difficulty in understanding it.

The reason of this thread was to bring about the idea that body and the head can survive on its own without one supporting another. And infact that has been proved under your given evidence, however, the more important issues here are, the splitting of the mind existing under its own merit.

And I'll tell that to every disembodied head I ever use at the bowling alley.

"Now head, you do you some studying on where that wax lies, and you do your best to wobble down there and get me a strike, 'cause here I've got the old lady with me, and she already thinks I'm a dolt, to the point she's a-makin' wobbly eyes over there at that big tall handsome dude in the Stetson hat."

With this said, i have given you a link of the wiki stating such happening, and this can bring about another question of the mind.

I agree you've presented what you consider evidence, and feel a bit shamed of ya for thinking it is.

Can the body able to function and be concious without the brain.

No more'n grits ain't much good 'til ya cook 'em.

And this question also have been answered through the wiki link I have posted, the answer simply is what it is.

It is my firm conviction that by repeating that deal where you declare you've offered your 'evidence', and by repeating the deal where ya swear up and down it supports your conclusions, we ought go to considering if maybe your repeating it here is an effort at psychological reinforcement.

The adrnaline consists of fight and flight response, it is the core of the structure of how adrenaline comes about, and because of it, figght and flight response is related heavily with emotion resulting to fear.

Adrenaline consists of molecules of adrenaline. To sit there and say adrenaline is the core structure of adrenaline is about as goofy as me saying my handsomeness is merely the product of my handsomeness.

It is my firm conviction that a fear of the unknown, nay, the unknowable, is at the heart of religious belief.

If an emotion is brought about, fear in this case, also calls for euphoria or joy. If a human body can think on its own merit without the given brain, the logic of physics can infact be dismissed here.

If.

The final argument of those incapable of showing they speak truth.

As noted by your source, the cells of the body are infact working under its own conditions, and that would ultimately call for structured behavior on its own.

How on God's green earth might anything contained in the universe ever act other'n there it was, it was contained right there in it?

Without the cells of our body which make up for our body, including the thoughts of our brain and such, it is also recognized and should be noted here that cells OF THE BODY is under conciousness as well.

What you've got here is a full bushel of nope. Consciousness is best explained as the product of a particular formulation of cells that produce an ability, in an entity, to sit there and be all proud about how there's this great god entity 'up there', but only if we'd just worship it like not even the good liquor is worth a nickel.

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/~regfjxe/awnew.htm

This is a conjecture...

Like every claim to god I ever heard.

If information is sent and recieved, then its rather a clear indication that conscioussness is at works.

Granted for the time being.

Then with this in mind, we would need to rely ion if cells can live without a body, and the answer is ofcourse yes. This would mean conciousness outside our body. As in, beggining of eternity.

Show me a brain doing its greatest work after being plucked from its host, and ya might have me here.

For the ignorant Atheists...

For every instance we accuse others of being ignorant, we expose ourselves to danged if we ain't the one with it.

here is the deal under raw terms. Cells within our body with our given conciousness expands infinitely (A flu is an example)

Flu doesn't "expand infinitely". It'll 'expand' just so long as it doesn't kill the host. In such a condition, we will most likely find there's a whole great big heaping bunch of human cells, and an amount of flu cells not near as a heaping bunch, but just enough to have killed the host, or caused it an amount of discomfort it for sure ain't proud about.

so if a single a single cell remembers all patterns of life (thus every cell has a DNA) then its established here under "sicentific notions" that there is infact eternity.

I dare say, those cells that comprise the hairs around my anus are incapable of remembering that time I mooned the bus driver, and got set off the bus for it.

Everything stated here can be explained scientifically under the teachings of Buddah so far. (mid level)

Please show us where this dude explained DNA.

Christs teachings of eternity is par above buddahs and will be explained later.

I fear that's gonna be so much "later", as to "we'll all be dead when it is".

[TheTruth101]

by euphor

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This is entirely fictional rambling that "Truth" invents as he goes along.

I mean, a euphoria cell? Single cells acting on their own? Negative cells? Come on.

This prolific fabrication of information has no place in intellectual debate.

Please refer post 23. Its called Cellular memory theory. Supporting evidence is provided on the same post.

By euphoria cell, I meant a positive cell that gives us enlightenment. By negative cell, i meant infected cells etc.

[Star]

by euphor

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This is entirely fictional rambling that "Truth" invents as he goes along.

I mean, a euphoria cell? Single cells acting on their own? Negative cells? Come on.

This prolific fabrication of information has no place in intellectual debate.

Please refer post 23. Its called Cellular memory theory. Supporting evidence is provided on the same post.

By euphoria cell, I meant a positive cell that gives us enlightenment. By negative cell, i meant infected cells etc.

Cellular memory is a pseudoscientific hypothesis, not a scientific theory.

There are no such things as positive, negative, or euphoria cells.

Please read about the brain and gain a basic understanding of it. This is an insult to anyone who has taken post-secondary biology.