Is the Real "god" of the Bible.....Satan?

[EDNAR]

[Replying to post 1 by Master Spade]

You said:
[[Wouldn't that be the Ultimate Deception? ]]

THE ULTIMATE DECEPTION … would a book that tells everyone … EVERYONE BACK IN THE BIBLE DAYS WERE ALWAYS PERFECT & NEVER SINNED!

The bible does NOT do that … EVER!
The quran, however, does!
It sugarcoats by saying all prophets are sinless! Islam even made LOT a prophet!

Many people such as yourself, have read little of the bible & attempted to interpret this book from what little you can surmise of it’s contents.
You are categorized as a NON-believer … what muslims call a KUFFIR.

You need to have scriptures opened up to you … but the only way to do that is to believe Jesus is GOD, came to earth from heaven to fulfill biblical prophesy!
Read Luke 24:44-48

Satan is real & in fact hates anyone who believes in Jesus.
Satan therefore, loves you!
Satan was afraid & KNOWS all who KNOW & LOVE JESUS!
See Acts 19:15

Jesus says the “world� hates Him b/c He exposes their lies & brings to light what is in darkness!

Free will brought forth evil in the world.

All creations from God have free will & choice.
Angels & all who have died in heaven or hell STILL-HAVE-THEIR-FREE-WILL!

When anyone is opposed to God’s will … they are automatically “EVIL�.

Jesus, as God, asks that all BELIEVE, TRUST & OBEY HIM … so when He asked Adam & Eve NOT to eat of the “TREE OF KNOWLEDGE� … what is He supposed to do when they didn’t?

Ever hear of “TOUGH LOVE�?

While on earth, Adam & Eve were under to temptations of the prince of darkness (serpent) & therefore susceptible to it’s words of deceit.
Satan is unbelievably sagacious, he deceived(conned) 1/3 of the angels in heaven to join him! They are now, of course, demons.
Satan nor anything "EVIL" exists in heaven but all still have the choices to oppose God's will. Hence what happened to Adam & Eve will NOT happen in heaven.
NOBODY IN HEAVEN WILL TEMPT NOBODY LIKE THE SERPENT DID ON EARTH!

All mankind are sinners … except Jesus when He prophetically came here 2,000+ years ago.

Jesus is NOT evil but embodies the ONLY good THAT is the antithesis of evil!

Just as there is NO cold but the absence of heat.
There is NO darkness but the absence of light.
There also is NO evil but the absence of GOOD!

KNOW JESUS? KNOW PEACE!
NO JESUS? NO PEACE!

Google all those who had died … then miraculously came back to life!
There is your proof of what lies beyond this life … the afterlife!

ALL TESTIFIED THEY SAW ONLY JESUS AS GOD!

Look for a movie coming out this Easter titled:

HEAVEN IS FOR REAL

True story of a 4 yr old boy who DIED, from a ruptured appendix then was prayed for by his father & came back to life to tell of unbelievable things of what he saw!

He saw his great grandfather, his miscarried sister, Jesus with holes still in His hands & feet, angels & much more! He is about 16 today!

[Zzyzx]

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Many people such as yourself, have read little of the bible & attempted to interpret this book from what little you can surmise of it’s contents.
You are categorized as a NON-believer … what muslims call a KUFFIR.!

It is a common massive blunder when Apologists assume that others have not read the bible (or not read it "right") or have not been a sincere Christian in the past.

One factor that many fail to realize (or deny) is that reading the bible carefully and thoroughly has taken many people AWAY from Christianity.

I, personally, never accepted the bible as true and accurate (or as a reasonable guide to life). Even as a child in Catholic school I knew enough to question incredible (not credible) stories and claims. My questions were not looked upon favorably by church people and were definitely not answered coherently.

[EDNAR]

[Replying to post 22 by Master Spade]

So ... Master Spade, you say you read the entire bible many times,right?

& you know you have been warned by Jesus, correct?

The warning ... the same warning came from the OT & NT by the same God of both ....

John 8:24 I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I AM HE, ye shall die in your sins.

John 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that …
I AM HE.

Isaiah 43:10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I AM HE: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.


Just so you know. Ohhh btw, now that you know, NEVER EVER blaspheme the Holy Spirit or there will be NO forgiveness for you, ever ... in Luke 12:10

[Heretic Gal]

[Replying to post 24 by EDNAR]

I'm another one of those who have read and studied the Bible many times.

MY studies led me to become a Catholic (till recently). Why do you think God would make our salvation dependent on a book that can be so easily interpreted differently by so many people, all claiming to be inspired by the same Holy Spirit?

And re the OP: have you ever heard of the liberal Catholic writer Thomas Merton? He wrote an essay in one of his books (I think it was "New Seeds of Contemplation"*) saying basically the same thing, that what most people believe about "God" actually fits Satan a whole lot better.

*PS it was titled "The Moral Theology of the Devil." Sorry I can't search for a link because I'm on my way out the door! But I do believe it may be online so perhaps someone else would be kind enough to look for & post? Thanks !

[McCulloch]

THE ULTIMATE DECEPTION … would a book that tells everyone … EVERYONE BACK IN THE BIBLE DAYS WERE ALWAYS PERFECT & NEVER SINNED!

The bible does NOT do that … EVER!
The quran, however, does!
It sugarcoats by saying all prophets are sinless! Islam even made LOT a prophet!

I was not aware that the Quran made that claim. Please provide reference.

Many people such as yourself, have read little of the bible & attempted to interpret this book from what little you can surmise of it’s contents.

And many others, myself included, have devoted years of our lives studying the Bible before rejecting its message.

You are categorized as a NON-believer … what muslims call a KUFFIR.

I believe that the word is kafir.

You need to have scriptures opened up to you … but the only way to do that is to believe Jesus is GOD, came to earth from heaven to fulfill biblical prophesy!
Read Luke 24:44-48

Are you saying that I have to believe the Scripture before I can understand them? How does that work?

Satan is real & in fact hates anyone who believes in Jesus.

Please provide support for this assertion.

Free will brought forth evil in the world.

Therefore, obedience, the relinquishing of free will, is the solution. Free will: bad. Slavery: good.

Jesus, as God, asks that all BELIEVE, TRUST & OBEY HIM … so when He asked Adam & Eve NOT to eat of the “TREE OF KNOWLEDGE� … what is He supposed to do when they didn’t?

Yes indeed. Knowledge is a dangerous thing. You should continue to avoid getting any more.

KNOW JESUS? KNOW PEACE!
NO JESUS? NO PEACE!

Thanks for the cliche. It really helps!

Google all those who had died … then miraculously came back to life!
There is your proof of what lies beyond this life … the afterlife!

Near death experiences are just that, near death.

ALL TESTIFIED THEY SAW ONLY JESUS AS GOD!

No they do not.

Look for a movie coming out this Easter titled:

HEAVEN IS FOR REAL

True story of a 4 yr old boy who DIED, from a ruptured appendix then was prayed for by his father & came back to life to tell of unbelievable things of what he saw!

He saw his great grandfather, his miscarried sister, Jesus with holes still in His hands & feet, angels & much more! He is about 16 today!

Can't wait.

[EDNAR]

[Replying to post 25 by Heretic Gal]

Heretic Gal,

Howdy!

Liberal Catholic writer, Thomas Merton? Liberal? As in an Obama-Pelosi-Reid liberal? Prevaricator liberals? Socialist liberals?

Trust this man’s opinions, there Heretic Gal?

Ever read Jeremiah 17:5?

Satan is: ‘the father of liars’, Heretic gal.
Did I understand you correctly? You stated God lies too?

Could you show me anything in the bible where God did!

Does Jesus LIE? (John 8:46) No. (Heb 6:18)

[Zzyzx]

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Could you show me anything in the bible where God did!

Can anyone in real life show anything that any of the thousands of proposed "gods" actually / literally DID (beyond speculation, opinion and unverified tales)?

Does Jesus LIE?

There is no way to determine if the biblical Jesus lied or not. Words attributed to him by unidentified gospel writers (writing decades or generations later) indicate that he said things that are demonstrably untrue, other things that seem delusional, many things that make no sense, and very few things that apply to the real world of today.

Parables that he is said to have told are fictional stories. Does that constitute a lie if presented as truth?

[EDNAR]

[Replying to post 26 by McCulloch]

McCulloch wrote:
[[I was not aware that the Quran made that claim. Please provide reference. ]]
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Lot's prophecy: Quran 26:161, 7:80–84, 15:67–77, 26:160–168, 29:28–31





McCulloch wrote:
[[And many others, myself included, have devoted years of our lives studying the Bible before rejecting its message. ]]

Guess you really have NOT read the parts about KUFFIRS, hmmmmm?
2 Cor 4:4 In whom the god of this world(satan) hath blinded the minds of them(muslims & NON-believers) which believe not,
Jesus closed the minds to NON-believers
Mark 4:11-12, Matt 13:10-17
Isaiah 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.
Luke 24:45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,




McCulloch wrote:
[[I believe that the word is kafir. ]]

You get the gist, right? I like KUFFIR. How is Quran spelled to you? Koran? Q’ran? Qur’an?
Doesn’t really matter does it? The message is clear, regardless.



McCulloch wrote:

[[Are you saying that I have to believe the Scripture before I can understand them? How does that work? ]]

You need to believe Jesus is God, Jesus came to earth from heaven to give us a new covenant & to die for our sins.
Romans 10:9 says, "If you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved."
Hebrews 8:13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away

Hebrews 10:16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; (Jeremiah 31:33)

Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

The old covenant was ratified by the blood of animals (Exodus 24:5-8 & Hebrews 9:19-20) & based upon the promises of the people that they would keep God’s law.
The new covenant, on the other hand, is based on God’s promise to write His moral law of ten commandments in our hearts & it was ratified w/blood of Christ(Hebrew 8:10 & Jeremiah 31:33-34)

Heb 8:7-13, Heb 10:16, Matt 26:28, Luke 22:20, Jer 31:31, Luke 24:44-48




McCulloch wrote:
[[Please provide support for this assertion. ]]

Satan helped Muhammad create a NEW religion that makes sure all know that Jesus is NOT God, Jesus was NOT crucified, the Holy Trinity does NOT exist & NOT one word from Jesus is repeated in the quran.
Islam was created to be diametrically opposed to the bible in every way. The only things important to Christians is the way to salvation … we all depend on the words of Jesus to be true. This is life & death for us. Prove any of the words Jesus said is NOT true & the whole Christian faith & bible is destroyed!
Therefore, my challenge to all atheists & muslims is this: show me the errors, lies & contradictions in the words of Jesus from the bible!



McCulloch wrote:
[[Therefore, obedience, the relinquishing of free will, is the solution. Free will: bad. Slavery: good. ]]

Where did our God from the bible ever call anyone: SLAVES OF GOD?
NEVER!
2 Cor 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: & where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.
Allah is the god of “SLAVES�. Worshipping allah is in conflict w/“liberty�
NO where in the quran does allah call anyone “son, children or child� of allah! All, including the angels, R referred to as “SLAVES�!
Whereas REAL God of Liberty NEVER called anyone a “slave�!
Rather; “son or CHILDREN� OF God! Matt 5:9, Rom 8:10-17
Do U like to be called a ‘slave’ or ‘son’ of God? Q 38:45 Muhsin Khan




McCulloch wrote:
[[Yes indeed. Knowledge is a dangerous thing. You should continue to avoid getting any more. ]]

Should I seriously trust you & your condescending opinions?
Jeremiah 17:5 “Thus saith the Lord; cursed be the man who trusteth in man�



McCulloch wrote:
[[Thanks for the cliche. It really helps!]]

Are you being facetious?
EDNAR wrote:

Google all those who had died … then miraculously came back to life!
There is your proof of what lies beyond this life … the afterlife!

McCulloch wrote:
[[Near death experiences are just that, near death. ]]

Still alive, are we? Wait awhile … then give me a buzz … will you?



McCulloch wrote:
[[No they do not. ]]
How many did? & How many did NOT?






McCulloch wrote:
[[Can't wait.]]
Seen it yet? I have. Heaven is for real & you better get right with the LORD Jesus!
Look for the man with the holes in his hands!
Look for more movies like that plus look for the book by Frank Peretti: TILLY

[EDNAR]

[Replying to post 28 by Zzyzx]

Zzyzx,

There are over 300+ million gods worshiped by people that have never appeared to man ... alive.

This includes Islam's own ... "ALLAH".

Nobody saw Islam's god in the quran which makes islam's god one of the 300+ million.

However, each one of the three of the holy Trinity have been seen by man in the bible!

Deut 19:15 demands witnesses to the establishment of credibility

God the Father appeared to Moses in Exodus 33:20-23
God the holy Spirit appeared to man as a dove in Luke 3:22 & as a tongue of fire in Acts 2;3
God the Son (Jesus) appeared to Adam in Genesis 3
Appeared to Abraham in Genesis 18 & Exodus 6:3 & Numbers 12:6-8

You are referring to apples & road apples when lumping together the Bible God to other gods, respectively