If you discovered that Christianity is false,....?

[Divine Insight]

If you discovered that Christianity is false, would you be happy, or disappointed.

And why?

[Divine Insight]

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There are false teachings within Christianity, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Why not?

What is it about this baby that you think is worth hanging onto?

[Thruit]

[Replying to post 1 by Divine Insight]
There are false teachings within Christianity, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Why not?

What is it about this baby that you think is worth hanging onto?

I was talking to a Jewish friend who doesn't believe Jesus is the Messiah. His reasons made alot of sense, but it occured to me his reasoning doesn't mean Jesus isn't the Messiah. It only means the Christian view of Jesus has been distorted. So, after taking my friends view of how the God of the Jews forgives people and applying it to the NT, I'm finding it fits pretty well.

[Divine Insight]

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There are false teachings within Christianity, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Why not?

What is it about this baby that you think is worth hanging onto?

I was talking to a Jewish friend who doesn't believe Jesus is the Messiah. His reasons made alot of sense, but it occured to me his reasoning doesn't mean Jesus isn't the Messiah. It only means the Christian view of Jesus has been distorted. So, after taking my friends view of how the God of the Jews forgives people and applying it to the NT, I'm finding it fits pretty well.

But all of that already presumes as a prerequisite that Jewish religious folklore is valid and that there actually exists a "messiah". But why should anyone believe that in the first place?

I would reject the entire Old Testament as having absolutely no validity before we even get to the New Testament of Christianity.

You seem to have already accepted that the Old Testament is valid. But I see no reason why it has anymore validity than Greek mythology.

So you seem to already be accepting quite a bit of prerequisite faith-based material.

[KCKID]

[Replying to post 1 by Divine Insight]
There are false teachings within Christianity, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Because . . .?

Can you be specific (and brief) with regard to those 'false teachings' within Christianity? Can you be specific (and brief) with regard to the 'true teachings' within Christianity? I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water and I'm looking for reasons why I shouldn't need to. I once thought that I knew it all, scripturally speaking. Now, I confess that I don't. So, I'm ever open to receiving 'new light'.

[Thruit]

Originally posted by Divine Insight,
But all of that already presumes as a prerequisite that Jewish religious folklore is valid and that there actually exists a "messiah". But why should anyone believe that in the first place? Think

I would reject the entire Old Testament as having absolutely no validity before we even get to the New Testament of Christianity.

You seem to have already accepted that the Old Testament is valid. But I see no reason why it has anymore validity than Greek mythology.

So you seem to already be accepting quite a bit of prerequisite faith-based material.

Well, if want to get into a debate on why Zeus is as plausible as Jesus, you're barking up the wrong tree.

[Thruit]

[Replying to post 1 by Divine Insight]
There are false teachings within Christianity, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Because . . .?

Can you be specific (and brief) with regard to those 'false teachings' within Christianity? Can you be specific (and brief) with regard to the 'true teachings' within Christianity? I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water and I'm looking for reasons why I shouldn't need to. I once thought that I knew it all, scripturally speaking. Now, I confess that I don't. So, I'm ever open to receiving 'new light'.

'Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him." Lk.20:13

It seems Gods reason for sending Jesus here was so people would respect Him, not execute Him. It's like what happened to Joseph with his brothers:

"But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive." Ge.50:20

Are you with me?

[Divine Insight]

Well, if want to get into a debate on why Zeus is as plausible as Jesus, you're barking up the wrong tree.

I most certainly wouldn't waste my time on such an absurd debate.

But I would have no problems demonstrating why Hebrew mythology in general (i.e. the Biblical picture of God) had no more merit than Greek mythology in general.

We have as many reasons to reject Hebrew mythology as we have for rejecting Greek mythology, possibly even more so.

People often dismiss Greek mythology simply because no Gods were found living on Mt. Olympus.

Well, Hebrew mythology proclaims that the evils of the world along with death itself, are due to mankind's fall from grace. But we already know that death, and all manner of nasty things, including animals eating each other and terrible diseases had already existed on earth long before humans ever came to be here.

So clearly the very foundational story of Hebrew mythology is false.

Everything in Hebrew mythology (specifically the Christian off-shoot) rests entirely upon the fable of the "Fall from Grace". Without that fable Jesus has no meaning. But we already know that this Hebrew fables is indeed false. So it's actually a religion that has been proven to be at least as false as Greek mythology.

Actually Greek mythology could be "resurrected" by simply claiming that the God's moved from Mt. Olympus and went somewhere else. But it's impossible to resurrect Christianity because there's no way to change the fact that death, disease, and other nasty things existed long before humans ever existed. So there's no way to salvage Hebrew mythology or Christianity.

Not that anyone should actually want to. I mean why should anyone want to salvage a mythology that blames all the ills of the world on us? That would be highly unproductive and negative for us to support such a derogatory myth.

[Divine Insight]

[Replying to post 1 by Divine Insight]
There are false teachings within Christianity, but don't throw the baby out with the bath water.

Because . . .?

Can you be specific (and brief) with regard to those 'false teachings' within Christianity? Can you be specific (and brief) with regard to the 'true teachings' within Christianity? I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water and I'm looking for reasons why I shouldn't need to. I once thought that I knew it all, scripturally speaking. Now, I confess that I don't. So, I'm ever open to receiving 'new light'.

'Then said the lord of the vineyard, What shall I do? I will send my beloved son: it may be they will reverence him when they see him." Lk.20:13

It seems Gods reason for sending Jesus here was so people would respect Him, not execute Him. It's like what happened to Joseph with his brothers:

"But as for you, ye thought evil against me; but God meant it unto good, to bring to pass, as it is this day, to save much people alive." Ge.50:20

Are you with me?

You got to be kidding me?

So you're suggesting that the Biblical God was so naive and non-omniscient, that he actually thought that he could just send Jesus into the world and make everything right without a hitch?

This God must have been totally shocked when things didn't go according to his Master Plan.

Moreover, you are actually suggesting that those evil corrupt priests of God actually caused God to jump through their hoops. You are basically suggesting that God never mean for Jesus to be crucified, but after his evil priests crucified Jesus God had no choice but to use that as his new means of "salvation".

So much for God's original "Master Plan". Looks like God's priests had other plans and now this God (and all of his creation) has to dance to the tune of God's corrupt priests.

Not only with this be a God who has absolutely no control over anything. But it wouldn't even be just and fair to the decent people who aren't corrupt like this God's priests.

I can't imagine any truly omnipotent God allowing a few corrupt evil priests to make God dance to their tune.

So if that's your "apology" for this religion, I'm not buying it.

[Thruit]

Divine Insight said,
You got to be kidding me?
So you're suggesting that the Biblical God was so naive and non-omniscient, that he actually thought that he could just send Jesus into the world and make everything right without a hitch?

No, I'm suggesting God expected His Son to be honored, and some of us do and some of us don't.

Divine Insight said,
This God must have been totally shocked when things didn't go according to his Master Plan.

I wouldn't say so, because before it all happened God said:

"Therefore he shall inherit many, and he shall divide the spoils of the mighty; because his soul was delivered to death: and he was numbered among the transgressors; and he bore the sins of many, and was delivered because of their iniquities." Is.53:12

Divine Insight said,
Moreover, you are actually suggesting that those evil corrupt priests of God actually caused God to jump through their hoops. You are basically suggesting that God never mean for Jesus to be crucified, but after his evil priests crucified Jesus God had no choice but to use that as his new means of "salvation".

I think God freely forgives people who are truly sorry for their wrongdoing in life, but killing someone who taught what Jesus did is an indictment.

Divine Insight said,
So much for God's original "Master Plan". Looks like God's priests had other plans and now this God (and all of his creation) has to dance to the tune of God's corrupt priests.

Not only with this be a God who has absolutely no control over anything. But it wouldn't even be just and fair to the decent people who aren't corrupt like this God's priests.

I can't imagine any truly omnipotent God allowing a few corrupt evil priests to make God dance to their tune.

So if that's your "apology" for this religion, I'm not buying it.

I think when all is said and done, some will be dancing for joy and some will not. Maybe I should start taking dance lessons.