True Christians love abortion

[The Persnickety Platypus]

I cannot comprehend the almost unilateral Christian voice against abortion. Since when has God taken an issue with innocent children?

1Sa 15:3
Now go and attack Amalek. Claim everything they have for God by destroying it. Don't spare them, but kill men and women, infants and children, cows and sheep, camels and donkeys."

Eze 5:17 (God Speaking)
I will send famines and wild animals against you, and they will rob you of your children. I will send plagues, violence, and wars to kill you. I, the LORD, have spoken."

Eze 9:6 (God speaking)
Kill old men, young men, old women, young women, and children. But don't come near anyone who has a mark on him. Start with my holy place." So they started with the old men in front of the temple.

Hos 9:16
"The people of Ephraim are like sick plants. Their roots are dried up. They have no fruit. Even if they were to have children, I would kill their dear children."

Exo 4:23
This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son. I told you to let my son go so that he may worship me. But you refused to let him go. So now I'm going to kill your firstborn son.'"

Exo 12:12
"On that same night I will go throughout Egypt and kill every firstborn male, both human and animal. I will severely punish all the gods of Egypt, because I am the LORD.



It's too bad God couldn't have the same decency as his followers when dealing with Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Hivites, and Jebusites. Every young child of these nations was murdered due to the sins of the parents. Relating this to the current situation, the woman requesting an abortion probably engaged in lascivious sexual intercourse, a grave sin. By God's standards, her unborn child needs to be slaughtered.


If this is not the official Biblical doctrine on abortion, pray tell me, just what is?

[McCulloch]

Because if it is not correct the Bible condones it.

[sarcasm]And that's why Christians do not fly in aircraft, mix fabrics, use antibiotics, electricity, refrigeration or the internet.[/sarcasm]

[palmera]

Paveway wrote:

The KJV is the ONLY book i will take referance to, the other Bibles other than the NKJV and (i think) the Holy Bible are misconstrued.

Just curious, but why will you "ONLY" take reference to the King James Version? Secondly, have you read a history of the creation of the KJV?

[DrProctopus]

Seriously, I think you guys are missing the true reason why Christians must love abortion:

Abortion saves souls.


Salvation/Damnation is forever. If you kill a fetus or baby before it is old enough to develop sinful thoughts, it will be saved. If you allow the baby to come into the world, it has a high probability of not being saved.

While living life for all of 75 years or so might seem important, it is not nearly as important as avoiding eternal damnation.

The Bible does not forbid killing, it forbids murder. The Bible advocates all sorts of killing, so clearly there is a distinction. While abortion is surely a form of killing, the question of whether or not it is a form of murder is not answered in the Bible.

So...

We have to ask the question, is abortion justified killing, and thus not murder?

The answer clearly must be yes. Abortion (along with infanticide) guarantees that the soul of that child shall enjoy eternal paradise. What's a little death compared to avoiding eternal damnation and enjoying eternal salvation?

So...

If you are a true Christian, and thus actually interested in saving the most number of souls possible, you will advocate and perhaps even enforce both abortion and infanticide.

Whew - thank God I am not Christian.

[trencacloscas]

Sorry, Proctopus, I don't see clearly the difference between murder and killing...

[Suzanne]

I cannot comprehend the almost unilateral Christian voice against abortion. Since when has God taken an issue with innocent children?

Exo 4:23
This is what the LORD says: Israel is my firstborn son. I told you to let my son go so that he may worship me. But you refused to let him go. So now I'm going to kill your firstborn son.'"


Above is Just one of the Quotes that has been posted to point out that GOD HIMSELF APPARENTLY CAN AND DOES AND WILL BRING DESTRUCTION UPON MANY INCLUDING WOMAN AND CHILDREN.


FIRST of all (ABORTION) Is the MURDERING OF A CHILD, A FETUS, A MATUREING HUMANKIND, MANKIND, THAT IS FOR ALL INTENTS AND PURPOSES IS the WAY MANKIND COMES INTO THIS WORLD AND IS PLACED ON THIS PLANET EARTH THAT GOD HAS AFTER ALL CREATED FOR ALL MANKIND HE HAS ALSO MADE AND CREATED TO LIVE AND HAVE LIFE ABUNDENTLY ON!!!!!!!! AND I BELIEVE THAT ONE OF THE COMMANDMENTS THAT GOD HAS GIVEN US TO LIVE BY. IS "THOU SHALT NOT MURDER"!!!

TO ON PURPOSE TAKE THE LIFE OF ANOTHER INNOCENT HUMAN BEING IS NOT ANYTHING BUT MURDER. IT IS A CHOICE TO TAKE ANOTTHER LIFE AND AN INNOCENT LIFE AT THAT, THAT IS GUILTY OF NOTHING AT ALL.. IF any is guilty of a UNBORN HUMANKIND BEING IN THE WOMB AND NOT WANTED SO IT IS MURDERED THEN THE GUILT FALLS ON THE MAN AND WOMAN THAT CHOSE TO GO AGAINST THE LAW OF GOD IN THE FIRST PLACE BY HAVING SEXUAL RELATIONS FULL WELL HAVING THE KNOWLEDGE THAT A PREGNACY CAN AND MIGHT OCCUR.. UNLESS THESE TWO PEOPLE ARE COMPLETELY UNAWARE OF HOW LIFE AND MORE HUMAN BEINGS ARE BROUGHT INTO THIS WORLD THEN WHERE DOES THE GUILT LIE?????? SURELY NOT WITH A LIFE THAT HAS BEEN BEGUN BY TWO PEOPLES IDEA OF FUN AND RECREATIONAL ACTIVITY THAT IS MEANT TO BE FOR HUSBAND AND WIVES WHOM HAVE MADE A COMMITMENT TO ONE ANOTHER CALLED A MARRIAGE BED IN THE HOLY SCRIPTURES THAT HAVE BEEN GIVEN BY THE CREATOR OF ALL THAT HAS EVER BEEN MADE IS AND WILL CONTINUE TO BE MADE BECAUSE GOD IS SOVERIEGN AND HIS WORD AND HIS TRUTH AND HIS KINGDOM IS FOREVER ......

CHOICES!!!!!!! WE ALL HAVE THEM... MAKE WRONG CHOICES AGAINST WHAT THE LORD GOD HAS ALREADY SAID . and WE AS HUMANKIND SUFFER THE CONSEQUENCES. OH MY ISN'T THAT NEWS????????? HAVING TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR ONES OWN ACTIONS!!!!!!!! WHEN HOW TO LIVE, AND HOW TO RAISE A CHILD, and HOW TO HAVE CHILDREN IS ALL RIGHT THERE IN THAT BOOK OF BOOKS!!!!!! MALACHI 3;16:

OLD TESTAMENT, NEW TESTAMENT, and then the LAST BOOK , THE REVELATION.. REVELATION OF WHAT AND WHOM?? OH YES , JESUS CHRIST that NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES and the NAME THAT ALL MEN HAVE SALVATION BY!!!!

WRITTEN BY YES MEN!!! YET HOW DID THIS BOOK OF BOOKS GET WRITTEN beginning with the FIRST BOOK GENESIS being written and given BY A MAN named MOSES!! ????

IT HAD TO HAVE been GIVEN TO BE WRITTEN BY WHOM???????? COULD IT HAVE been BY the LORD GOD THROUGH HIS HOLY SPIRIT???? GEE IS IT REALLY POSSIBLE THAT THE HOLY SCRITURES.. THE HOLY BIBLE, THE HOLY TESTAMENT OF OPUR HISTORY OF ALL THAT HAS EVER BEEN IS AND WILL BE> IS IN THAT ONE BOOK!!!!!! THAT IS MADE UP OF MANY WRITTINGS AND MANY MEN THAT SPANS SO MANY EONS OF YEARS INBETWEEN, LIKE FOUR HUNDRED YEARS BETWEEN THE OLD TESTAMENT THAT IS ALL THE PROPHETS THAT TOLD OF THIS COMING MESSIAH,, CALLED EMANUEL , JESUS, WHOM WOULD BE BORN OF A VIRGIN.. AND DIE ONCE FOR ALL MANKIND>>>> AND THE NEW TESTAMENT, THAT TELLS ALL ABOUT THIS ONE BEING THE FULFILLMENT OF THAT SAME PROPHECY THAT WAS GIVEN BY ALL THOSE IN THE OLD TESTAMENT????

AND then to FINISH THE BOOK OF REMEMBERANCE!!! WE HAVE AND CAN READ the REVEALING OF BOTH OLD AND NEW THAT IS the REVELATION OF THIS ONLY BEGOTTEN THAT HAS LIVED SUFFERED AND DIED AND HAS AND IS RISEN AND HAS BEEN GIVEN ALL AUTHORITY ACCORDING TO THAT WRITTEN WORD IN MATTHEW 28;18: ,,, "ALL authority has been given to Me on heaven and on earth." Ref. Daniel 7; 13:14:


MUCH WISER APPARENTLY THEN ANY OF RECENT HUMAN BEINGS> OF THE LAST FIVE THOUSAND YEARS OR MORE.. ALL BECAUSE SO MANY CANNOT UNDERSTAND WHO THEY ARE IN CHRIST JESUS, and who THEIR CREATOR IS THAT GAVE THEM THE LIFE WE HAVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.. and HAS HAD!! A BOOK OF REMEMBERANCE WRITTEN FOR ALL THAT FEAR. THE LORD THY GOD. FOR AFTER ALL THERE REALLY IS ONLY ONE LORD, ONE FAITH, and ONE BAPTISM!! THREE WITNESSES THE FATHER GOD (WORD) THE SON THAT WAS GIVEN(WORD) AND THE HOLY SPIRIT (WORD) ALL WITNESS AS ONE IN HEAVEN! ARE ONE!!!!!! and THE THREE THAT WITNESS ON EARTH???
the SPIRIT, THE WATER, and THE BLOOD. AGREE AS ONE

Deu 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; [but] at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.
Deu 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

1Jo 5:4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.
1Jo 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1Jo 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth.
1Jo 5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.
1Jo 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.
1Jo 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
1Jo 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
1Jo 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.
1Jo 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.
1Jo 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

We as Christians already have known that GOD ALMIGHTY THE ONLY GOD ALMIGHTY The CREATOR OF ALL LIFE IS AND HAS CONTROL over HIS CREATION!! LIKE IT OR NOT WE AS human kind MAN?KIND HAVE been GIVEN THIS LIFE we are now living and have lived for the past eons of time .. and We all expierience UPS downs, bad times and good times. and JUST AS IT HAS BEEN WRITTEN , READ< TAUGHT< AND LEARNED BY WE whom BELIEVE IN GOD ALMIGHTY AND HIS TRUTH AND HIS WOD AND HIS SPIRIT. YES it is an absolute TRUTH THAT what the LORD GOD HAS HAD WRITTEN . is a TRUTH. THUS SAYETH THE LORD; Mat 26:11 For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always.
Mar 14:7 For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.
Jhn 12:8 For the poor always ye have with you; but me ye have not always.

IS THIS NOT A TRUTH?? No matter what Government does , No matter what we as a people do , no matter what people it be , color, language, or anywhere on this earth all have their poor.. and some countries have nothing but poor and starving and indigent. SO YOU CAN SEE THAT no matter what ERA of time or years you look at the POOR HAVE ALWAYS been and always will be.. SO IT IS ALSO TRUE of GOD, HIS WORD< HIS SPIRIT. HIS TRUTH. JUST AS HE HAS HAD IT WRITTEN long before any of us were eve4n thought about being born through our mothers womb... NOW I ASK YOU how come is this a truth we can all GO BACK IN TIME AND look at this TRUTH but yet we all seem to not want to acknowledge this very truth that anyone with any ounce of KNOWLEDGE at all can do and see the truth of this very WRITTEN WORD THAT IS within the BOOK OF BOOKS THAT GOD THE LORD GOD HAS HAD WRITTEN FOR ALL PEOPLE TO LEARN AND KNOW HIS TRUTH OUR TRUTH AND THE HISTORY OF ALL THAT HAS ever been will be and is to this very day???????

Because we as HUMAN beings refuse to believe in truth . of GOD CREATION AND OUR LORD WHOM has given us this LIFE TO begin with and has also GIVEN ALL HE HAD TO GIVE. HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON on that CROSS OF CALVARY SUFFING AND DIED< WAS BURIED AND ROSE AGAIN AND HAS COME TO A DARK AND LOST WORLD!!!! TO be that very LIGHT to save that LOST and dark world. IT is so amazing to we whom have COME TO HIS REALITY and truth to be able to TESTIFY TO HIS REALITY and truth and NO ONE that we come giveing our testinmony of HIS AWSOME WONDER and REALITY in our lives is DENIED DAY IN AND DAY OUT . THIS TRUTH ALSO was written has been read taught and is known by WE CHRISTIANS THROUGHOUT THE AGES.. THUS SAYETH THE LORD;

Mat 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
Luk 10:3 Go your ways: behold, I send you forth as lambs among wolves.


Jos 18:1 And the whole congregation of the children of Israel assembled together at Shiloh, and set up the tabernacle of the congregation there. And the land was subdued before them.
Jos 18:2 And there remained among the children of Israel seven tribes, which had not yet received their inheritance.
Jos 18:3 And Joshua said unto the children of Israel, How long [are] ye slack to go to possess the land, which the LORD God of your fathers hath given you?
Jos 18:4 Give out from among you three men for [each] tribe: and I will send them, and they shall rise, and go through the land, and describe it according to the inheritance of them; and they shall come [again] to me.
Jos 18:5 And they shall divide it into seven parts: Judah shall abide in their coast on the south, and the house of Joseph shall abide in their coasts on the north.
Jos 18:6 Ye shall therefore describe the land [into] seven parts, and bring [the description] hither to me, that I may cast lots for you here before the LORD our God.
Jos 18:7 But the Levites have no part among you; for the priesthood of the LORD [is] their inheritance: and Gad, and Reuben, and half the tribe of Manasseh, have received their inheritance beyond Jordan on the east, which Moses the servant of the LORD gave them.

Mal 2:2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay [it] to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the LORD of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay [it] to heart.
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:



YOUR QUOTE::::
It's too bad God couldn't have the same decency as his followers when dealing with Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Hivites, and Jebusites. Every young child of these nations was murdered due to the sins of the parents. Relating this to the current situation, the woman requesting an abortion probably engaged in lascivious sexual intercourse, a grave sin. By God's standards, her unborn child needs to be slaughtered.


If this is not the official Biblical doctrine on abortion, pray tell me, just what is?

1Sa 2:25 If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD would slay them.

We as mankind.. have been told and know we are sinners.. and we are.. FOR ALL HAVE SINNED and fallen short of the LORDS RULE!!! LAW!!! BEING S DISOBEDIENT TO HIS ROYAL LAW!!!!!!! WHO PRAY TELL ME KNOWS THIS DAY ON THIS FORUM WHY THE ROYAL LAW IS?????? ANYONE THAT KNOWS without LOOKING IT UP KNOWS THE LAW AND KNOWS THE LORD AND KNOWS WHO HIS SAVIOR IS, and KNOWS WHO HE IS WHERE HE IS WHY HE IS AND ALSO WHERE HE IS GOING... FOR ALL OF YOU who have to SEEK THE ANSWER OF WHAT THE ROYAL LAW IS,,,,,,, NETHER KNOW T YOUR LORD, NOR OF WHOM YOU ARE N BORN OF. NOR WHY???? AND HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE OF WHO YOU REALLY ARE... I suggest to all of you. DO WHAT THE LORD HAS HAD WRITTEN!!!!! WHAT HAS BEEN READ TAUGHT AND SAID.BY MANY MANY MANY BEGINNING WITH OPUR LORD!!!!!!!!! " SEEK YE FIRST THE KINGDOM OF GOD." "THE TRUTH SHALL MAKE YOU FREE" THUS HAS SAID THE LORD , AND SO HE HAS HAD WRITTEN, LONG BEFORE I WAS HERE TO REPEAT IT..

OUR LORD GOD!!! WAS the ONE THAT GAVE the FIRST MAN ADAM a CHOICE.. and the CONSEQUENCE FOR making the WRONG CHOICE TO GO AGAINST HIS CREATOR GOD ALMIGHTY.... WAS ALSO TOLD TO HIM.. AND BECAUSE OF THAT DISOBEDIENCE DEATH CAME TO ALL MANKIND.. YET PRAISES BE TO MY LORD THY GOD!!!! FOR THE PRECIOUS BLOOD OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD! WE CALL BY THAT NAME!!! THAT IS ABOVE ALL NAMES IN HEAVEN AND ON THIS PLANET EARTH!!!!!! JESUS .. MAN CAN AND IS SET FREE!!!!!!!!!!!! FOR he did say ON that CROSS WHERE THE BLOOD HAS been shed.. FOR ME AND ALL OF YOU!!!!!!!! "IT IS FINISHED!"

FOR WHOM THE SON SETS FREE IS FREE INDEED!!!!!!

CHOICE!!! WE ALL MAKE OUR CHOICES .. SO what will be YOUR CHOICE TODAY!???? DENIAL OF YOUR LORD THY GOD AND HIS TRUTH AND HIS WORD AND HIS BLESSINGS FOR YOU??? or WILL YOU CHOOSE TO RECIEVE HIM . REPENT ((((TURN FROM )))) YOUR SINFUL WAYS. THAT YOU KNOW ARE SIN ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES AND GODS LAW>>>>> FOR THE ROYAL: LAW IS PARAMOUNT IN HIS KINGDOM TO KEEP!!!! FOR he after all IS THE KING of His KINGDOM.. and I do believe that . IT HAS BEEN WRITTEN AND IT SHOULD BE BELIEVED!!!!

"IN THE BEGINNING GOD! CREATED the HEAVENS, and THE EARTH. " GENESIS 1; 1: IF this FIRST SENTANCE IN the BOOK OF BOOKS. THAT IN REVELATION the BOOKS ARE MENTIONED AS being OPENED. and another BOOK WAS OPENED then WE ARE IN DEEP TROUBLE. IF THIS BOOK OF BOOKS CANNOT be BELIEVED AS being the INHERENT WORD OF GOD ALMIGHTY!!!!!!!!! IT IS TIME FOR THIS WORLD!!!! and HIS CREATION!!!!! TO AWAKEN AND HUMBLE THEMSELVES AND PRAY!!!!!!! JUST AS HE HAS SAID;

2Ch 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

2Sa 12:20 Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed [himself], and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat.



Do you call yourself as a child of the LORD THY GOD????? being called the Lords???? Whether being grafted into the ROOT of the vine or being of His Own that DENIED HIM????

Or have you forgotten HE CAME TO HIS OWN AND HIS OWN DENIED HIM???

Jhn 1:11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

Jer 31:33 But this [shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, [which is] new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and my new name.

Rev 17:14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him [are] called, and chosen, and faithful.

Rev 19:16 And he hath on [his] vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.


Jhn 20:21 Then said Jesus to them again, Peace [be] unto you: as [my] Father hath sent me, even so send I you.
Jhn 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on [them], and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Remember The Prophecy OF JOHN the BAPTIST?? "One shall come after me that wil BAPTISE you with the Holy Spirit.

Well In Acts 2; 4:This Prophecy became and was fullfilled in the upper room..

John 14; 15:-20:, 16; 5:-11:,

Jhn 20:23 Whose soever sins ye forgive, they are forgiven unto them; [and] whose soever [sins] ye retain, they are retained.

WHO do any of you need to forgive THIS DAY!!! the LORD HATH MADE??

OR are you RETAINING YOUR FORGIVENESS? SO THAT GOD can not Give YOU or them any.. ???

Think about it......

Pro 3:11 My son, despise not the chastening of the LORD; neither be weary of his correction:
Pro 3:12 For whom the LORD loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son [in whom] he delighteth.

Lev 26:28 Then I will walk contrary unto you also in fury; and I, even I, will chastise you seven times for your sins.

The number of a man is 6, the number of Gods rest is 7 The Creation of God took Six days, Mankind He made them male and female were created on the Sixth day, Genesis 1;26: God rested on the Seventh day and Blessed it. Genesis 2 1:-4:

I do not SEE A Name of ANY DAY written here.. Only that He rested from His Work On the SEVENTH DAY. Not named a Sunday, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, or Saturday. Just that We should work Six days and rest on the seventh??? YET is not each day a day the LORD HATH MADE AND given to us ???
THE EARTH being HIS FOOTSTOOL and HIS THRONE IS IN HEAVEN??? YET the EARTH IS IN HIS HEAVEN HE HAS ALSO CREATED ACCORDING TO GENESIS!!
AS I HAVE STATED if WE CANNOT believe IN WHAT the LORD HAS HAD WRITTEN IN THIS HOLY BIBLE!!! then what TRUTH and what IS TRUTH . OR DO WE HAVE NO TRUTH AT ALL and there is NO LAW TO ABIDE BY. SUCH AS
1;Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
2; Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God,
3; Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain;
4; Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
5; Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
6; Thou shalt not kill.
7; Thou shalt not commit adultery.
8; Thou shalt not steal.
9; Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
10; Thou shalt not covet

May I remind YOU. We are to Worship GOD the FATHER CREATOR, and ASK IN JESUS NAME. For HE IS OUR WITNESS BEFORE THE FATHER IN HEAVEN whom IS ON THE THRONE.. BEING KING OF kings, LORD of lords, and YES GOD of gods,

Psa 136:2 O give thanks unto the God of gods: for his mercy [endureth] for ever.

Jhn 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Jhn 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give [it] you.

Jud 1:20 But ye, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Jud 1:21 Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling [them] out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.
Jud 1:24 Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present [you] faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,
Jud 1:25 To the only wise God our Saviour, [be] glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

I really hope you have read all of this. But if not,,,, I forgive you anyway.. For Ignorance of TRUTH can only bring upon any of us His CHASTISEMENT instead of the blessings of GOD ALMIGHTY.

[McCulloch]

Sorry, Proctopus, I don't see clearly the difference between murder and killing...

• Murder unlawful premeditated killing of a human being by a human being

so any killing of a human being by a human being that is either lawful (execution for instance) or non-premeditated (manslaughter) is a form of killing that is not murder.

[DrProctopus]

Exactly...

So, if abortion is legal, it isn't murder.

However... The question of the what the bible refers to as murder may be a bit difference.

There must be a distinction of some sort. I mean, Moses tells us to kill homosexuals and Sunday laborers, and at the same time the ten commandments tell us not to kill.

So, either there is a gross inconsistency, or the ten commandments' rule must apply to a specific type of killing.


This is perfectly consistent with God commanding the Israelites to kill the babies of the enemy - it is the ultimate act of kindness - saving their souls.

[juliod]

Good points DrP, and it's good to have a new clear and thoughtful voice on these issues.

DanZ

[juliod]

For Paveway:

I've done some research and I think the bible you are using (quoting from) is the New Living Translation.

http://www.newlivingtranslation.com/default3.asp

It's one of the more embarassing bibles since it is based on the translator determining what is the meaning of a passage and then rendering that into modern english. The problem of course is that what you end up with is not a translation but an interpretation of what someone thinks the bible should say.

But the question is why you use the NLT when you say that only the KJV is valid. I think that's causing quite a bit of confusion here.

DanZ

[Suzanne]

To take an innocent life PURPOSELY WILLFULLY FOR NO REASON . IS MURDER...

WHAT GUILT IS THERE TO BE BORN AND CAUSING DEATH TO A FETUS IN A WOMB OF A WOMAN THAT CHOSE TO HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONS KNOWING THAT A PREGNACY COULD BE THE RESULT???

WHEN THEY THE MAN AND WOMAN, GIRL AND BOY, MALE AND FEMALE DO NOT WANT OR NEED TO BE HAVING ANY CHILD AND MOST OF ALL DO NOT WANT A CHILD!!!!!?????????

THE CRIME IS THAT THE ONES THAT CHOSE TO HAVE SEX without THE MARRIAGE BED 1st of all, and then NOT USING some way to make sure that a pregnacy does not occur ESPECIALLY IF ONE IS NOT WANTING TO HAVE A CHILD.

SEX IS FOR A HUSBAND AND WIFE NOT FOR RECREATIONAL SEX TO SATISFY FLESHLY LUST.. MAY I SAY AT THIS TIME. That is all SEXUAL RELATIONS OUTSIDE OF MARRIAGE BETWEEN A MAN AND A WOMAN IS.

TO SATISFY THE FLESH .. I AM NO PRUDE, NOR AM I A PERFECTED PERSON, BUT IN 65 years I HAVE LEARNED A FEW THINGS ABOUT THE TRUTH OF WHAT GOD HAS SAID to do and not do. TAKE HIS WORD FOR IT!!!

SEXUAL RELATIONS KNOWN AS ONE NIGHT STANDS, HOMOSEXUALITY, PROSTITUTION, RECREATIONAL SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS ARE NOT GOOD, RIGHT, OR THE THING THAT SHOULD BE DONE BY ANYONE BUT MARRIED MEN AND WOMAN.

TO BAD MOST OF US HAVE NOT KNOWN ANY BETTER. MAYBE IF ALL BELIEVED IN WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN ABOUT MARRIAGE< AND IMMORALITY AND IMMORAL BEHAVIOR, THERE WOULD BE NO ABORTIONS NECESSARY..

JUST MAYBE IF THE ROYAL LAW WAS DONE BY ALL THE PRAYER "LET IT BE ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN" WE WOULD HAVE IT BE DONE AND ANSWERED..............

MAYBE SOMEDAY MANKIND will LEARN ....... THE LESSONS OF THE FATHERS.. THAT HAVE been BEFORE US ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! IF NOT THEN MAYBE ALL SHALL BE LOST FOREVER ...

THE CAPABILITY IS HERE AND NOW THAT ALL EARTHEN VESSELS AND EVERYTHING ON THIS EARTH COULD BE DESTROYED BY ONE BIG BANG OF A HYDROGEN BOMB!! SENT INTO THE AIR TO FALL TO THE EARTH AGAIN TO BRING A DESTRUCTION THAT NO MAN HAS EVER KNOWN BEFORE. MANKIND AND THE HUMAN RACE BETTER WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TO SOME REAL TRUTH NOW!!!!!!! AND HUMBLE THEMSELVES AND PRAY.. FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JUST AS IT HAS BEEN WRITTEN LONG BEFORE ANY OF US WERE HERE...

Psa 122:6 Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love thee.

Jer 29:7 And seek the peace of the city whither I have caused you to be carried away captives, and pray unto the LORD for it: for in the peace thereof shall ye have peace.





**********[quote="The Persnickety Platypus"]I cannot comprehend the almost unilateral Christian voice against abortion. Since when has God taken an issue with innocent children?


It's too bad God couldn't have the same decency as his followers when dealing with Canaanites, Hittites, Amorites, Hivites, and Jebusites. Every young child of these nations was murdered due to the sins of the parents. Relating this to the current situation, the woman requesting an abortion probably engaged in lascivious sexual intercourse, a grave sin. By God's standards, her unborn child needs to be slaughtered. ********


THE GUILT FALLS ON THOSE THAT CHOOSE TO HAVE SEX IMMORALLY...... AND WITHIN THE CONFINES OF MARRIAGE MAKING A CHOICE TO PREVENT THE PREGNACY FROM BEING BEGUN IN THE FIRST PLACE.

EVEN SOME MARRIAGES SHOULD HAVE NO CHILDREN.. IF THEY ARE NOT WANTED IN THE FIRST PLACE. YET THE LORD HAS SAID they ARE A BLESSING.. FOR EVEN WE BEING MANKIND HAVE BEEN KNOWN BY GOD BEFORE WE WERE IN OUR MOTHERS WOMB!!!!!!

Jer 1:5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, [and] I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Psa 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.

Psa 139:14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully [and] wonderfully made: marvellous [are] thy works; and [that] my soul knoweth right well.
Psa 139:15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, [and] curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
Psa 139:16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all [my members] were written, [which] in continuance were fashioned, when [as yet there was] none of them.
Psa 139:17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!
Psa 139:18 [If] I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee.


GRACE DOES NOT GIVE ANY OF US A LICENSE TO CONTINUE IN THE SIN WE KNOW IS SINFUL... ONCE WE COME TO THE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT SIN WE ARE COMMITTING DAILY!!!!!!!!!!!

IS it a sin to Have other gods before OUR LORD?? BOW DOWN TO DEAD IDOLS, MURDER? LIE, STEAL, COVET, and BE A DISHONOR to our fathers and mothers that bore us????

THANK GOD FOR THE GOSPEL OF WHAT HAS BEEN WRITTEN OF AND GIVEN TO US!!!!! AND FOR US!!!!!!! AMEN???????

WHO DOES NOT KNOW THE NAME THAT HAS BEEN GIVEN THAT IS A NAME ABOVE ALL NAMES..

Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
Eph 1:19 And what [is] the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set [him] at his own right hand in the heavenly [places],
Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
Eph 1:22 And hath put all [things] under his feet, and gave him [to be] the head over all [things] to the church,
Eph 1:23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

THINK ABOUT IT!!!