The ONLY thing members here have offered as evidence for the biblical Yahweh as "God" -- or the biblical "scriptures" as having come from Yahweh -- is the supposed influence of the "Indwelling Holy Spirit".
NOTHING ELSE
But NOT ONE member has demonstrated that the IHS is anything more than the voices in their head.
The voices that tell us that "God and the Holy Scriptures" are real and are greater than us, may simply emanate from the very human, and very physiological, parietal cortex that dwells within us.
During their varied transcendent states, all subjects showed similar activity patterns in the parietal cortex, which processes sensation, spatial orientation, and language, and is thought to influence attention, among other functions. In other words, whether the thing that makes a person feel connected to something greater involves church, trees, or a stadium full of sports fans, it appears to have the same effect on the brain. https://qz.com/1292368/columbia-and-yal ... ur-brains/
Do we feel a sense of intellectual satisfaction with an answer that does not involve some version or other of "God" ...?
Can we trust the Columbia and Yale scientists ...?
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The Parietal Cortex - Home of the Holy Ghost
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Re: The Parietal Cortex - Home of the Holy Ghost
Post #21[Replying to post 20 by tam]
The ONLY thing members here have offered as evidence for the biblical Yahweh as "God" -- or the biblical "scriptures" as having come from Yahweh -- is the supposed influence of the "Indwelling Holy Spirit".
NOTHING ELSE
But NOT ONE member has demonstrated that the IHS is anything more than the voices in their head.
Do we feel a sense of intellectual satisfaction with an answer that does not involve some version or other of "God" ...?
Can we trust the Columbia and Yale scientists ...?
One could simply dismiss the folks from Columbia and Yale with a demonstration that their version of "God" did indeed exist anywhere other than in their parietal cortexes.
Since NO ONE EVER DOES, it's perfectly reasonable to accond to the proposition that ALL versions of "God" are just imaginary.
But, because we have an accondance and not a belief, we have left the door WIDE open for Krishna or Jesus or Allah or Buddha or the Rainbow Serpent or any other probably imaginary superbeing to burst triumphantly through.
When one does not have a scrap of good hard evidence one can try to keep the focus on a super-detailed critique of alternative explanations and cover them with philosophy and epistemology and such ...
But the mud-man and his rib woman are still waving to Jesus on the flying chariot from the deck of Noah's ark.
The voices that tell us that "God and the Holy Scriptures" are real and are greater than us, may simply emanate from the very human, and very physiological, parietal cortex that dwells within us.
The results indicate that there is a neurobiological home for spirituality. When we feel a sense of connection with something greater than the self"whether transcendence involves communion with God, nature, or humanity"a certain part of the brain appears to activate.
"God" is NEVER shown to be anything more than the "sense" in the parietal cortex.
That "sense" can be caused by drugs and worship and such.
An external biblical Yahweh who created the mud-man and his rib woman is NEVER shown to cause ANYTHING.
I suggest we just imagine "God" when our parietal cortex is stimulated.
And I suggest that we can always imagine that "God" can exist beyond whatever boundary of knowledge we have reached.
And that is one of the beauties of imagining "God" ...
We can always imagine that "God" is anywhere but here ...
And "God" can always be anything we imagine "God" to be.
Christians have less imagination than Hindus though.
The ONLY thing members here have offered as evidence for the biblical Yahweh as "God" -- or the biblical "scriptures" as having come from Yahweh -- is the supposed influence of the "Indwelling Holy Spirit".
NOTHING ELSE
But NOT ONE member has demonstrated that the IHS is anything more than the voices in their head.
Do we feel a sense of intellectual satisfaction with an answer that does not involve some version or other of "God" ...?
Can we trust the Columbia and Yale scientists ...?
One could simply dismiss the folks from Columbia and Yale with a demonstration that their version of "God" did indeed exist anywhere other than in their parietal cortexes.
Since NO ONE EVER DOES, it's perfectly reasonable to accond to the proposition that ALL versions of "God" are just imaginary.
But, because we have an accondance and not a belief, we have left the door WIDE open for Krishna or Jesus or Allah or Buddha or the Rainbow Serpent or any other probably imaginary superbeing to burst triumphantly through.
When one does not have a scrap of good hard evidence one can try to keep the focus on a super-detailed critique of alternative explanations and cover them with philosophy and epistemology and such ...
But the mud-man and his rib woman are still waving to Jesus on the flying chariot from the deck of Noah's ark.
The voices that tell us that "God and the Holy Scriptures" are real and are greater than us, may simply emanate from the very human, and very physiological, parietal cortex that dwells within us.
The results indicate that there is a neurobiological home for spirituality. When we feel a sense of connection with something greater than the self"whether transcendence involves communion with God, nature, or humanity"a certain part of the brain appears to activate.
"God" is NEVER shown to be anything more than the "sense" in the parietal cortex.
That "sense" can be caused by drugs and worship and such.
An external biblical Yahweh who created the mud-man and his rib woman is NEVER shown to cause ANYTHING.
I suggest we just imagine "God" when our parietal cortex is stimulated.
And I suggest that we can always imagine that "God" can exist beyond whatever boundary of knowledge we have reached.
And that is one of the beauties of imagining "God" ...
We can always imagine that "God" is anywhere but here ...
And "God" can always be anything we imagine "God" to be.
Christians have less imagination than Hindus though.
No one EVER demonstrates that "God" exists outside their parietal cortex.
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Re: The Parietal Cortex - Home of the Holy Ghost
Post #22Peace to you Stuart,
Once again, your article is not suggesting this; therefore, your article cannot be used as evidence supporting your claim.
Please go back and look at post 14. I do not think you understand the article.
viewtopic.php?p=951702#951702
Those things that made a person feel connected to something greater (which feeling of connection is what the article states appears to activate the parietal cortex)... were real things.
Look at the very quote you supplied, Stuart:
Is nature not real? Is humanity not real?
Does nature live in the parietal cortex? Does humanity live in the parietal cortex? If the answer to those questions is NO, then it does not logically follow that God lives in the parietal cortex.
Do you understand?
You can suggest anything you want, Stuart, but the evidence does not suggest this. The evidence does not support your suggestion. The article suggests only that a feeling of connection to something greater appears to activate the parietal cortex.
Peace again to you.
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I suggest we just imagine "God" when our parietal cortex is stimulated.
Once again, your article is not suggesting this; therefore, your article cannot be used as evidence supporting your claim.
Please go back and look at post 14. I do not think you understand the article.
viewtopic.php?p=951702#951702
Those things that made a person feel connected to something greater (which feeling of connection is what the article states appears to activate the parietal cortex)... were real things.
The Columbia and Yale scientists are not saying what you are saying.Can we trust the Columbia and Yale scientists ...?
Look at the very quote you supplied, Stuart:
The results indicate that there is a neurobiological home for spirituality. When we feel a sense of connection with something greater than the self"whether transcendence involves communion with God, nature, or humanity"a certain part of the brain appears to activate.
Is nature not real? Is humanity not real?
Does nature live in the parietal cortex? Does humanity live in the parietal cortex? If the answer to those questions is NO, then it does not logically follow that God lives in the parietal cortex.
Do you understand?
I suggest we just imagine "God" when our parietal cortex is stimulated.
You can suggest anything you want, Stuart, but the evidence does not suggest this. The evidence does not support your suggestion. The article suggests only that a feeling of connection to something greater appears to activate the parietal cortex.
Peace again to you.
Re: The Parietal Cortex - Home of the Holy Ghost
Post #23To be honest, I'm not sure that the existence of the Parietal Cortex adds much to existing knowledge of religious belief.StuartJ wrote: The ONLY thing members here have offered as evidence for the biblical Yahweh as "God" -- or the biblical "scriptures" as having come from Yahweh -- is the supposed influence of the "Indwelling Holy Spirit".
NOTHING ELSE
But NOT ONE member has demonstrated that the IHS is anything more than the voices in their head.
The voices that tell us that "God and the Holy Scriptures" are real and are greater than us, may simply emanate from the very human, and very physiological, parietal cortex that dwells within us.
During their varied transcendent states, all subjects showed similar activity patterns in the parietal cortex, which processes sensation, spatial orientation, and language, and is thought to influence attention, among other functions. In other words, whether the thing that makes a person feel connected to something greater involves church, trees, or a stadium full of sports fans, it appears to have the same effect on the brain. https://qz.com/1292368/columbia-and-yal ... ur-brains/
Do we feel a sense of intellectual satisfaction with an answer that does not involve some version or other of "God" ...?
Can we trust the Columbia and Yale scientists ...?
It is in my view sufficient to note that there is not even the tiniest shred of evidence to show that feelings within the head emanate from anywhere except within the head. That's all we need to know. Exactly which part of the brain is active when we feel certain thoughts and emotions is interesting, but not important. I find the discovery underwhelming. Well of course certain parts of the brain are active when we experience various type of thoughts and emotions. What would you expect? Some sort of supernatural communication with the brain by means completely unknown and undetectable by science? As well would I believe is ESP or telekinesis or any other supernatural pseudo-science. There is a great deal of money on offer for anyone that can actually demonstrate any of this supernatural stuff, and that includes the Holy Spirit. The money remains unclaimed.
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Post #24[Replying to post 22 by tam]
But NOT ONE member has demonstrated that the IHS is anything more than the voices in their head.
External stimuli - nature, drugs, humanity, worship - cause the "spirituality".
Not a single soul offers a single peep of evidence for external stimulus from ANY version of "God".
No version of "God" is EVER shown to exist outside the heads of believers.
Please feel free to demonstrate otherwise.
But NOT ONE member has demonstrated that the IHS is anything more than the voices in their head.
External stimuli - nature, drugs, humanity, worship - cause the "spirituality".
Not a single soul offers a single peep of evidence for external stimulus from ANY version of "God".
No version of "God" is EVER shown to exist outside the heads of believers.
Please feel free to demonstrate otherwise.
No one EVER demonstrates that "God" exists outside their parietal cortex.
Re: The Parietal Cortex - Home of the Holy Ghost
Post #25Exactly correct. We know as fact that the human mind can be an unreliable indicator of reality. Psychotic states can, as you say, be induced in many ways, by drugs, illness, hypnosis, and even self-induced psychotic states. And we know that emotions, in general, are not reliable indicators of truth and reality. Would anyone choose stocks on the basis of emotional feeling? Well actually, some do, and soon find out that "good vibes" are not reliable. Given all of this, the feeling of "Holy Spirits" is easily explained as no more than a self-induced state, literally a "feeling in the head". This commonsense explanation is further strengthened by the observation that there is no recorded case of the "Holy Spirit" providing information to the believer over and above what would be expected from chance. No evidence whatsoever that there is anything supernatural going on.StuartJ wrote: [Replying to post 22 by tam]
But NOT ONE member has demonstrated that the IHS is anything more than the voices in their head.
External stimuli - nature, drugs, humanity, worship - cause the "spirituality".
Not a single soul offers a single peep of evidence for external stimulus from ANY version of "God".
No version of "God" is EVER shown to exist outside the heads of believers.
Please feel free to demonstrate otherwise.
It seems to me that Atheists and religious believers really might be different. Atheists trust evidence, religious believers trust feelings. That would seem to be a fact.
