Just Makin' Stuff Up

[SallyF]

Elsewhere we have successfully demonstrated that the biblical god, Yahweh, is never shown to be anything other than imaginary.

Can we demonstrate here - beyond clutching at the odd verifiable name - that any of the biblical stories are anything more than people just makin' stuff up ?

[SallyF]

Elsewhere we have successfully demonstrated that the biblical god, Yahweh, is never shown to be anything other than imaginary.

Can we demonstrate here - beyond clutching at the odd verifiable name - that any of the biblical stories are anything more than people just makin' stuff up ?

This thread is focussed ENTIRELY on biblical STORIES.

NOT the existence of this or that character.

From the STORY of Eve and the Talking Serpent onwards

Not a single biblical STORY is ever shown to be anything other than people just makin' stuff up.

[marco]

Jesus/Boudicca
No verifiable contemporary eyewitness accounts for either.


My instinct tells me these two people were for real.

And your instinct is probably correct as far as existence goes. The Iceni tribe rebelled against Rome; Nero was going to pull out his forces but Boudicca was destroyed and all was well with Rome. This is part of history and fits in with the sequence of events about Roman occupation and Roman decisions.

Jesus may have been some mendicant, starry eyed about his Jewish lore. I don't believe he is orbiting Earth, having set himself in an elliptical path when he had had enough of terrestrial things. Boudicca used a chariot; Jesus used invisible wings. I don't really see the two personages have equal claims: one was a leader, the other was the Wizard of Oz. Are the two claims of equal merit?

[Thomas123]

[Replying to post 22 by marco]

marco:And your instinct is probably correct as far as existence goes


I have given up on influencing your indulgent mischievous ways.
My Jesus has no wings! You continue to parody Disney!

"What a piece of work is man, How noble in reason, how infinite in faculties"

What a waste! imho

[1213]

I just wonder, what could be possible way to demonstrate any historical event to be true? Can you show an example how to demonstrate some historical event to be true?

The younger Pliny witnessed the eruption of Vesuvius when he was a teenager. Tacitus wrote to him for an account. Pliny describes in detail what he saw. His uncle, a naval officer, died in a rescue attempt. How can we know what Pliny says is true: we can test his description against what we know of volcanic eruptions and we can visit Pompeii, as I have done, in southern Italy

Thanks, but do you really think that you have now demonstrated that this legend about Pliny is true?

However, when the "historical event" involves dead men deserting their graves and then flying into the sky without any mechanical assistance, we have nothing in our experience to back this up and so, perhaps rashly, we question whether it happened.
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So, it would be enough, if similar thing would happen now, then you would believe what the Bible tells?

No, I dont think Bible says dead men deserting their graves and then flying into the sky. It would be better to show the scripture what you mean, but, what I remember, it is more about spirit rising to heaven. Now, I think similar matter could be for example out-of-body experiences. The inconvenient matter about this is, to test it, one should be killed. And I cant recommend that.

[1213]

Elsewhere we have successfully demonstrated that the biblical god, Yahweh, is never shown to be anything other than imaginary.

Can we demonstrate here - beyond clutching at the odd verifiable name - that any of the biblical stories are anything more than people just makin' stuff up ?

I just wonder, what could be possible way to demonstrate any historical event to be true? Can you show an example how to demonstrate some historical event to be true?

I am focussing ONLY on biblical stories.

Then why did you ask people to demonstrate things? If you are only interested on Biblical stories, it is good, but then it would be enough to read the Bible.

[SallyF]

Elsewhere we have successfully demonstrated that the biblical god, Yahweh, is never shown to be anything other than imaginary.

Can we demonstrate here - beyond clutching at the odd verifiable name - that any of the biblical stories are anything more than people just makin' stuff up ?

I just wonder, what could be possible way to demonstrate any historical event to be true? Can you show an example how to demonstrate some historical event to be true?

I am focussing ONLY on biblical stories.

Then why did you ask people to demonstrate things? If you are only interested on Biblical stories, it is good, but then it would be enough to read the Bible.

I ONLY asked here if anyone can demonstrate that ANY biblical STORY is anything more than people just makin' stuff up.

No one needs to demonstrate anything else.

Simple.

But

As is ALWAYS the case in my experience

Not a soul demonstrates that a SINGLE biblical STORY is anything more than humans just makin stuff up about gods and angels and talking animals and resurrections and such.

One may come to the same realisation by READING the biblical stories

And then actually CHECKING if any of them are backed up OUTSIDE the human writings of ancient Jewish people.

You know, with maybe some demonstrable input from "God".

[William]

Elsewhere we have successfully demonstrated that the biblical god, Yahweh, is never shown to be anything other than imaginary.

Can we demonstrate here - beyond clutching at the odd verifiable name - that any of the biblical stories are anything more than people just makin' stuff up ?

Elsewhere we have successfully demonstrated that the biblical god, Yahweh, is never shown to be anything other than imaginary.

Can we demonstrate here - beyond clutching at the odd verifiable name - that any of the biblical stories are anything more than people just makin' stuff up ?

This thread is focussed ENTIRELY on biblical STORIES.

NOT the existence of this or that character.

From the STORY of Eve and the Talking Serpent onwards

Not a single biblical STORY is ever shown to be anything other than people just makin' stuff up.

William: What allows me to see the funny side of Fireside Yarns, has a lot to do with how - then - people make stuff up about made-up stuff as if somehow this proves that made up stuff is only made up.

True Dear SallyF - you can't make this stuff up!

When one realizes that Fireside Yarns are part of Human Culture developed as a way of explaining the unexplained in Metaphor, one can then look into the Mythology to see what just might be hidden behind that.

One cannot easily do so whilst inventing stuff about invented stuff...because of that obvious distraction.

[SallyF]

Elsewhere we have successfully demonstrated that the biblical god, Yahweh, is never shown to be anything other than imaginary.

Can we demonstrate here - beyond clutching at the odd verifiable name - that any of the biblical stories are anything more than people just makin' stuff up ?

Elsewhere we have successfully demonstrated that the biblical god, Yahweh, is never shown to be anything other than imaginary.

Can we demonstrate here - beyond clutching at the odd verifiable name - that any of the biblical stories are anything more than people just makin' stuff up ?

This thread is focussed ENTIRELY on biblical STORIES.

NOT the existence of this or that character.

From the STORY of Eve and the Talking Serpent onwards

Not a single biblical STORY is ever shown to be anything other than people just makin' stuff up.

William: What allows me to see the funny side of Fireside Yarns, has a lot to do with how - then - people make stuff up about made-up stuff as if somehow this proves that made up stuff is only made up.

True Dear SallyF - you can't make this stuff up!

When one realizes that Fireside Yarns are part of Human Culture developed as a way of explaining the unexplained in Metaphor, one can then look into the Mythology to see what just might be hidden behind that.

One cannot easily do so whilst inventing stuff about invented stuff...because of that obvious distraction.

Yep, we can do all that.


But then we're just makin' stuff up about the made-up stuff.


And convincing ourselves we have discovered "God" or whatever in the metaphors we think we have found in the made-up stuff.


Your response failed to demonstrate that so much as a SINGLE biblical STORY is anything more than made-up stuff.

[William]

Elsewhere we have successfully demonstrated that the biblical god, Yahweh, is never shown to be anything other than imaginary.

Can we demonstrate here - beyond clutching at the odd verifiable name - that any of the biblical stories are anything more than people just makin' stuff up ?

Elsewhere we have successfully demonstrated that the biblical god, Yahweh, is never shown to be anything other than imaginary.

Can we demonstrate here - beyond clutching at the odd verifiable name - that any of the biblical stories are anything more than people just makin' stuff up ?

This thread is focussed ENTIRELY on biblical STORIES.

NOT the existence of this or that character.

From the STORY of Eve and the Talking Serpent onwards

Not a single biblical STORY is ever shown to be anything other than people just makin' stuff up.

William: What allows me to see the funny side of Fireside Yarns, has a lot to do with how - then - people make stuff up about made-up stuff as if somehow this proves that made up stuff is only made up.

True Dear SallyF - you can't make this stuff up!

When one realizes that Fireside Yarns are part of Human Culture developed as a way of explaining the unexplained in Metaphor, one can then look into the Mythology to see what just might be hidden behind that.

One cannot easily do so whilst inventing stuff about invented stuff...because of that obvious distraction.

Yep, we can do all that.


But then we're just makin' stuff up about the made-up stuff.


And convincing ourselves we have discovered "God" or whatever in the metaphors we think we have found in the made-up stuff.


Your response failed to demonstrate that so much as a SINGLE biblical STORY is anything more than made-up stuff.

William: Your response failed to knowtice my response showing why the request for a demonstration that one single biblical story is "anything" more than made-up stuff, is a faulty demand.

Simply claiming that anyone is claiming to have 'discovered "God" in the metaphors, steps outside of - and away from - the actual argument which I gave in response to the OP question. You simply 'made up a story' and then filled in the blanks.

If something cannot be demonstrated except in the individual learning how to see through the Fireside Yarns and through what the metaphor may hide, then the individual refusing to do so on account of their own doubts about "Gods" is only projecting their failure to do so onto others, attempting to likewise make up stories about those others.

Projection in and of itself, isn't a great debating device which has demonstrated anything worthwhile in showing some kind of 'win' or whatever.

But you go on making up stories about stories if it 'helps' - I see through them, and so do others.

[SallyF]

Elsewhere we have successfully demonstrated that the biblical god, Yahweh, is never shown to be anything other than imaginary.

Can we demonstrate here - beyond clutching at the odd verifiable name - that any of the biblical stories are anything more than people just makin' stuff up ?

This argument against Christianity could be swept away with a simple demonstration that a SINGLE biblical STORY is NOT people just makin' stuff up.


The fact that it has not happened here


And the fact that I have NEVER seen it happen ANYWHERE


Continues to lead me to suspect - and strongly suggest - that Christianity is FOUNDED on made-up stuff.


If Christianity is NOT founded on human fabrications


It should be quite straightforward for humans to demonstrate it.


Just a SINGLE story from the whole glittering edifice of "faith and belief" would suffice.