Anyone got proof of God

[nine dog war]

I have heard all the retohric, the Bible versus etc etc etc

What Im looking for is proof to the hypothesis of God. I would love to see tangible proof or if not at least one logical argument. So far I have not seen nor heard either.

Please note the words "Tangible" and "Logical". If wish to use quotes from the religious texts then please prove the vadility of the source. e.g. If you quote from the Bible book of Luke please provide proof Luke existed and was not completly stark raving mad.

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt for it is easily filled with faith.

[TruthSeeker1]

Typical answers talk in circles or God exists because we want to live forever (fear of death) or see dead people. Well, I think people should be able to fly, doesn't mean Superman exists or that I can fly. Just because it gives you a warm fuzzy, doesn't mean it's true. Feelings don't mean god exists, animals have feelings to.


did you read my post? my friends child died. the funeral is tomorrow. do you think anyone in this situation feels warm fuzzies? we dont FEEL anything now but pain (and if i feel this bad imagine how the parents feel)......it has zip to do with feelings

What type of proof? How about the same type of proof that lets me know the Sun exists. I can see it and I can feel it's energy. So, god show yourself to everyone on Earth right now so you can save everyone and let us into your exclusive club called heaven. God? Hello, god?

He could. You would have to worship Him then. no excuses. no love relationship. He wants people who worship Him out of love, not cause they must.

Simply knowing someone exists does NOT inhibit my ability to freely choose to worship someone or not. Just because I might live in a country with an evil dictator that I know exists, doesn't mean that I don't have the ability to freely choose to reject him and not follow his orders.

Think about it Katie, you believe God was on earth in the form of a human for about 30 years and he supposedly made himself very real to the Apostles, why then can he not make himself just as real to everyone else? Do you respect the Apostles less because you think they worshiped God because as you say they must not of had a choice?

[katiej49]

I sorry for your friend's loss, I know exactly how it feels to lose a family member. My brother died several years ago. This seems like the last place you should be hanging out right now.


i am sorry about your brother. i probably shouldnt be here, but i'm nervous and cant settle...ya know......

He could. You would have to worship Him then. no excuses. no love relationship. He wants people who worship Him out of love, not cause they must.

That's a load of crap. God talks plenty about wanting us to fear him in the OT. And he punishes future generations for something their grandparents did.

So far the Sun is holding up better then god. It's getting dark, but I have faith I'll see the Sun tomorrow. And in about a billion years the Sun will bring it's wrath when it goes supernova and destroys us all for our sins

huh

[otseng]

You might want to check out a thread I'm currently engaged in: Nature's Destiny - Michael Denton. I believe it makes a very strong case for the existence of a god based on the scientific evidence.

If you have something specific you would like us to debate please point to it.

I've presented "one shred of evidence". Since I've provided a response to the claim "so far I have not seen nor heard either", then I've sufficiently answered the charge.

[Cogitoergosum]

You might want to check out a thread I'm currently engaged in: Nature's Destiny - Michael Denton. I believe it makes a very strong case for the existence of a god based on the scientific evidence.

If you have something specific you would like us to debate please point to it.

I've presented "one shred of evidence". Since I've provided a response to the claim "so far I have not seen nor heard either", then I've sufficiently answered the charge.

Sorry, didn't quite understand what you meant here, i was just saying you pointed out to a THREAD where a lot has been discussed, did you want me to debate a specific thing?

[Fisherking]

Typical answers talk in circles or God exists because we want to live forever (fear of death) or see dead people. Well, I think people should be able to fly, doesn't mean Superman exists or that I can fly. Just because it gives you a warm fuzzy, doesn't mean it's true. Feelings don't mean god exists, animals have feelings to.

What type of proof? How about the same type of proof that lets me know the Sun exists. I can see it and I can feel it's energy. So, god show yourself to everyone on Earth right now so you can save everyone and let us into your exclusive club called heaven. God? Hello, god?

And you have proof that God doesn't exist?

[bernee51]

Typical answers talk in circles or God exists because we want to live forever (fear of death) or see dead people. Well, I think people should be able to fly, doesn't mean Superman exists or that I can fly. Just because it gives you a warm fuzzy, doesn't mean it's true. Feelings don't mean god exists, animals have feelings to.

What type of proof? How about the same type of proof that lets me know the Sun exists. I can see it and I can feel it's energy. So, god show yourself to everyone on Earth right now so you can save everyone and let us into your exclusive club called heaven. God? Hello, god?

And you have proof that God doesn't exist?

Do you have you proof there are no fairies at the bottom of your garden?

[Fisherking]

Typical answers talk in circles or God exists because we want to live forever (fear of death) or see dead people. Well, I think people should be able to fly, doesn't mean Superman exists or that I can fly. Just because it gives you a warm fuzzy, doesn't mean it's true. Feelings don't mean god exists, animals have feelings to.

What type of proof? How about the same type of proof that lets me know the Sun exists. I can see it and I can feel it's energy. So, god show yourself to everyone on Earth right now so you can save everyone and let us into your exclusive club called heaven. God? Hello, god?

And you have proof that God doesn't exist?

Do you have you proof there are no fairies at the bottom of your garden?

Do you have proof that there is?

[bernee51]

Typical answers talk in circles or God exists because we want to live forever (fear of death) or see dead people. Well, I think people should be able to fly, doesn't mean Superman exists or that I can fly. Just because it gives you a warm fuzzy, doesn't mean it's true. Feelings don't mean god exists, animals have feelings to.

What type of proof? How about the same type of proof that lets me know the Sun exists. I can see it and I can feel it's energy. So, god show yourself to everyone on Earth right now so you can save everyone and let us into your exclusive club called heaven. God? Hello, god?

And you have proof that God doesn't exist?

Do you have you proof there are no fairies at the bottom of your garden?

Do you have proof that there is?

Absolutely none. Do you?

Tell me - do you believe it is possible to prove the non-existence of anything??

[Biker]

I have heard all the retohric, the Bible versus etc etc etc

What Im looking for is proof to the hypothesis of God. I would love to see tangible proof or if not at least one logical argument. So far I have not seen nor heard either.

Please note the words "Tangible" and "Logical". If wish to use quotes from the religious texts then please prove the vadility of the source. e.g. If you quote from the Bible book of Luke please provide proof Luke existed and was not completly stark raving mad.

Blessed is the mind too small for doubt for it is easily filled with faith.

blessed is the mind that doubts, for it can lead to faith (my words and my life!)...i am grieving the loss of a friends child today, and am writing now to ease my stress and tension before the funeral home visitation this evening. Logical proof.......the fact that every heart on earth longs for eternity, longs to see dead loved ones again, feels an ache at the beauty in the world (a remembrance of what we were made for...perfection), a longing for rhyme and rhythm (why do kids love dr suess? heck i love dr suess, its soothing) a longing for RIGHT,,,,a miserable feeling of things going wrong... a deep knowing that certain things are "JUST NOT RIGHT"......a deep agony for the loss of a human life (why more so than for the loss of a cats life, and yes i have cried at the loss of my Miss Kitty, although not as much as the loss of my Mom made me cry)......a longing for love, meaning, purpose and acceptance........ALL HUMANS ALIVE have these needs. The logical answer is that it was put within our heart by Someone.....CS Lewis said "if you find within yourself longings this world cant satisfy, perhaps it means we were made for another world".......blessings to all.

Katie,
Please accept my deepest condolences for your friends child. May God wrap you in His kind love, mercy, and grace, and be with you and console you, and His presence overwhelm you.

Biker

[WelshBoy]

The logical answer is that it was put within our heart by Someone

You may have a special definition of logic, but it is not logically sound to conclude that these feeling are PUT in our hearts - whatever that means!

the fact that every heart on earth longs for eternity

I don't, thus your statement that EVERY heart longs for it is false. In addition we strive not to die, but not necessarily long to live forever. These two things are quite different. Biologically speaking we are programmed to avoid death at all costs since this stops us from passing on our genes, THAT is why we don't want to die, it is a deep rooted evolutionary response. Other animals show it too, and it is nothing to do with spirituality.

longs to see dead loved ones again

We desire the good feelings that relationships with our loved ones gave us. We don't ever long to see someone we hated again since they did not give us any pleasurable feelings. It is similar to the desire to eat chocolate (or whatever food stuff) many of us have, though on an entirely different scale.

feels an ache at the beauty in the world (a remembrance of what we were made for...perfection)

Poor reasoning I'm afraid. The one does not logically follow from the other. Things are beautiful whether God exists or not.

a longing for rhyme and rhythm

Not sure what this is meant to argue for!

a longing for RIGHT,,,,a miserable feeling of things going wrong... a deep knowing that certain things are "JUST NOT RIGHT"

Evolutionary and social, and selfish...we desire things that benefit us. No single moral is universal. There are people who don't feel that murder is wrong for example - many are incarcerated fortunately...it is therefore not possible to argue that there is some universal god-given sense of right and wrong, since there is no evidence of it.

deep agony for the loss of a human life (why more so than for the loss of a cats life, and yes i have cried at the loss of my Miss Kitty, although not as much as the loss of my Mom made me cry)

A big part of relationships is the fact that they are two-way things. Human-human relationships are almost always more satisfying since humans are able to reciprocate better than any animal. There ARE those of course who prefer relationships with animals rather than other humans.

a longing for love, meaning, purpose and acceptance

Selfish, gene-centred desires.

ALL HUMANS ALIVE have these needs

Not all. The mentally incapacitated for example.

CS Lewis said "if you find within yourself longings this world cant satisfy, perhaps it means we were made for another world"

Or you are yet to come terms with your lot in life and selfishly believe you deserve more...