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Non biolgical beings

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Various religions make claims that certain spiritual or magical beings exist.

Fairies, Djinn, Goblins, Angels, Cherubim, Seraphim, Demons, Satan are all said to exist.

Do any of these beings really exist? Are they active in our world? Provide evidence to support any positive claims.
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I see we are suffering an attack of the circulars again.
''''What I am is good enough if I can only be it openly.''''

''''The man said "why you think you here?" I said "I got no idea".''''

''''Je viens comme un chat
Par la nuit si noire.
Tu attends, et je tombe
Dans tes ailes blanches,
Et je vole,
Et je coule
Comme une plume.''''

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CONVERTED_TO_ISLAM

I have to ask. Please can you tell us why you believe the Qur'an is the word of God. How do you know?

I see that people have asked similar already and you have failed to address the question in your answer. It seems like you don't understand.

I will try to frame it in an easier way to understand.

There are many books which claim to be of a divine origin/inspired by god etc. All of which contradict each other. How do you know which one is correct?

If I wrote a book and the book itself says it was written by God. How would you tell that your book is not and your book is?

Hopefully this helps you understand what is being asked.

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Jester wrote:So as to be at least a little constructive, I would suggest that the existence of such things could be established by establishing the truth of a belef system that supports them.
undeterred wrote:I think the results are in... :)
As do many people an all sides of the arguement.

Personally, I'd say that they aren't; else, we wouldn't be having most of the discussions on this forum.

Getting back to the original topic, there is little that much of our observational ability can say about such matters, meaning that there is little that we can take for granted regarding them. Rather, we need to discuss the specifics of what we know.

To that end, what do we know that makes you feel as you do regarding the truth/falsehood of a supernatural entity?
We must continually ask ourselves whether victory has become more central to our goals than truth.

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McCulloch wrote:Various religions make claims that certain spiritual or magical beings exist.

Fairies, Djinn, Goblins, Angels, Cherubim, Seraphim, Demons, Satan are all said to exist.

Do any of these beings really exist? Are they active in our world? Provide evidence to support any positive claims.
Recently, a christian friend of mine shared a past experience of hers with me.....

Years ago, she and a friend were eating lunch in a Thai restaurant. In the center of the restaurant was a little buddha tiki thing surrounded by burning candles, incense and food 'offerings'.

As they waited on their lunch, they joked about this situation and mocked it and laughed.

Later that day, when home alone, she felt a "sudden evil presence". She was filled with a "warm glow and chills and heard moaning." Terrified, she called her other christian friend who told her that she needed to "tell this demon that she is covered by the blood of the lamb".

Ever since then, she claims to have a "healthy fear and respect for evil spirits".
I know what I think of this scenario, but am interested to hear comments..........

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Buddhism involves evil spirits now? Is that what your friend is saying? It sounds pretty much like food poisoning to me.
''''What I am is good enough if I can only be it openly.''''

''''The man said "why you think you here?" I said "I got no idea".''''

''''Je viens comme un chat
Par la nuit si noire.
Tu attends, et je tombe
Dans tes ailes blanches,
Et je vole,
Et je coule
Comme une plume.''''

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Given that the said "creatures" are usually created by the anthropomorphization of the "force" that seems to hold the universe together, or "be" the universe (call it "energy" or whatever, but it was no more than a "feeling" to the ancients), it stands to reason that demons and the likes are the anthropomorphization of everything that can be more readily observed but still not explained, such as illness. Of course, science drove all these notions into the realm of "abstraction", where "God" lives now. I don't know why anyone would feel the need to prove the existence of an abstraction, when science has pretty much shown it can actually explain what's happening, but I'll leave that endeavor to them.

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Fallibleone wrote:Buddhism involves evil spirits now? Is that what your friend is saying? It sounds pretty much like food poisoning to me.
Absolutely - being a christian she believes the 'spirit' of buddha is evil - 100%

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Ah, I see. :? Thanks for that, justify.
''''What I am is good enough if I can only be it openly.''''

''''The man said "why you think you here?" I said "I got no idea".''''

''''Je viens comme un chat
Par la nuit si noire.
Tu attends, et je tombe
Dans tes ailes blanches,
Et je vole,
Et je coule
Comme une plume.''''

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Re: Non biolgical beings

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justifyothers wrote:
McCulloch wrote:Various religions make claims that certain spiritual or magical beings exist.

Fairies, Djinn, Goblins, Angels, Cherubim, Seraphim, Demons, Satan are all said to exist.

Do any of these beings really exist? Are they active in our world? Provide evidence to support any positive claims.
Recently, a christian friend of mine shared a past experience of hers with me.....

Years ago, she and a friend were eating lunch in a Thai restaurant. In the center of the restaurant was a little buddha tiki thing surrounded by burning candles, incense and food 'offerings'.

As they waited on their lunch, they joked about this situation and mocked it and laughed.

Later that day, when home alone, she felt a "sudden evil presence". She was filled with a "warm glow and chills and heard moaning." Terrified, she called her other christian friend who told her that she needed to "tell this demon that she is covered by the blood of the lamb".

Ever since then, she claims to have a "healthy fear and respect for evil spirits".
I know what I think of this scenario, but am interested to hear comments..........
It sounds like she had a hallucination , that was directed by her cultural beliefs.
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

Steven Novella

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justifyothers wrote:
McCulloch wrote:Various religions make claims that certain spiritual or magical beings exist.

Fairies, Djinn, Goblins, Angels, Cherubim, Seraphim, Demons, Satan are all said to exist.

Do any of these beings really exist? Are they active in our world? Provide evidence to support any positive claims.
Recently, a christian friend of mine shared a past experience of hers with me.....

Years ago, she and a friend were eating lunch in a Thai restaurant. In the center of the restaurant was a little buddha tiki thing surrounded by burning candles, incense and food 'offerings'.

As they waited on their lunch, they joked about this situation and mocked it and laughed.

Later that day, when home alone, she felt a "sudden evil presence". She was filled with a "warm glow and chills and heard moaning." Terrified, she called her other christian friend who told her that she needed to "tell this demon that she is covered by the blood of the lamb".

Ever since then, she claims to have a "healthy fear and respect for evil spirits".
I know what I think of this scenario, but am interested to hear comments..........
I understand how the "spirit" of the Buddha would be sort of pissed, and maybe in denial, since he didn't believe in "souls" when he was alive. Major bummer...

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