The Resurrection

[joer]

I recently(over the last few weeks) saw several Discovery Channel and PBS documentaries describing similar historical detail as presented in these stories of the Resurrection written over 75 years ago. BUT I hadn't found evidence with that same historical detail until recently.

I was just wondering how others have seen the development of historical evidence surrounding details of The Resurrection in recent times. It seems as we continue to develop our historical understanding of the times of Jesus, more and more details of his life and death fall into place in terms of validity.

The Resurrection Of Jesus

At two forty-five Sunday morning, the Paradise incarnation commission, consisting of seven unidentified Paradise personalities, arrived on the scene and immediately deployed themselves about the tomb. At ten minutes before three, intense vibrations of commingled material and heavenly activities began to issue from Joseph's new tomb, and at two minutes past three o'clock, this Sunday morning, April 9, A.D. 30, the resurrected heavenly form and personality of Jesus of Nazareth came forth from the tomb.

After the resurrected Jesus emerged from his burial tomb, the body of flesh in which he had lived and wrought on earth for almost thirty-six years was still lying there in the sepulchre niche, undisturbed and wrapped in the linen sheet, just as it had been laid to rest by Joseph and his associates on Friday afternoon. Neither was the stone before the entrance of the tomb in any way disturbed; the seal of Pilate was still unbroken; the soldiers were still on guard. The temple guards had been on continuous duty; the Roman guard had been changed at midnight. None of these watchers suspected that the object of their vigil had risen to a new and higher form of existence, and that the body which they were guarding was now a discarded outer covering which had no further connection with the delivered and resurrected heavenly personality of Jesus.

Mankind is slow to perceive that, in all that is personal, matter is the skeleton of morontia, and that both are the reflected shadow of enduring spirit reality. How long before you will regard time as the moving image of eternity and space as the fleeting shadow of Paradise realities?

As far as we can judge, no creature of this universe nor any personality from another universe had anything to do with this morontia resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. On Friday he laid down his life as a mortal of the realm; on Sunday morning he took it up again ... There is much about the resurrection of Jesus which we do not understand. But we know that it occurred as we have stated and at about the time indicated. We can also record that all known phenomena associated with this mortal transit, or heavenly resurrection, occurred right there in Joseph's new tomb, where the mortal material remains of Jesus lay wrapped in burial cloths.

We know that no creature of the local universe participated in this heavenly awakening. We perceived the seven personalities of Paradise surround the tomb, but we did not see them do anything in connection with the Master's awakening. Just as soon as Jesus appeared beside Gabriel, just above the tomb, the seven personalities from Paradise signalized their intention of immediate departure for Paradise.

Let us forever clarify the concept of the resurrection of Jesus by making the following statements:

His material or physical body was not a part of the resurrected personality. When Jesus came forth from the tomb, his body of flesh remained undisturbed in the sepulchre. He emerged from the burial tomb without moving the stones before the entrance and without disturbing the seals of Pilate.

He did not emerge from the tomb as a spirit nor as Ruler of the local universe; he did not appear in the form of the Creator Sovereign, such as he had had before his incarnation in the likeness of mortal flesh on Earth.

He did come forth from this tomb of Joseph in the very likeness of the heavenly personalities of those who, as resurrected heavenly ascendant beings, emerge from the resurrection halls of the first mansion world of this local system. And the presence of the Michael memorial in the center of the vast court of the resurrection halls of mansonia number one leads us to conjecture that the Master's resurrection on earth was in some way fostered on this, the first of the system mansion worlds.

The first act of Jesus on arising from the tomb was to greet Gabriel and instruct him to continue in executive charge of universe affairs under Immanuel, and then he directed the chief of the Melchizedeks to convey his brotherly greetings to Immanuel. He thereupon asked the Most High for the certification of the Ancients of Days as to his mortal transit; and turning to the assembled heavenly groups of the seven mansion worlds, here gathered together to greet and welcome their Creator as a creature of their order, Jesus spoke the first words of the postmortal career. Said the heavenly Jesus: "Having finished my life in the flesh, I would tarry here for a short time in transition form that I may more fully know the life of my ascendant creatures and further reveal the will of my Father in Paradise."

After Jesus had spoken, he signaled to the Personalized Adjuster, and all universe intelligences who had been assembled on Earth to witness the resurrection were immediately dispatched to their respective universe assignments.

Jesus now began the contacts of the heavenly level, being introduced, as a creature, to the requirements of the life he had chosen to live for a short time on Earth. This initiation into the transitional heavenly world required more than an hour of earth time and was twice interrupted by his desire to communicate with his former associates in the flesh as they came out from Jerusalem wonderingly to peer into the empty tomb to discover what they considered evidence of his resurrection.

Now is the mortal transit of Jesus—the transitional heavenly resurrection of the Son of Man—completed. The transitory experience of the Master as a personality midway between the material and the spiritual has begun. And he has done all this through power inherent within himself; no personality has rendered him any assistance. He now lives as Jesus of heavenly transition, and as he begins this Transitional heavenly life, the material body of his flesh lies there undisturbed in the tomb. The soldiers are still on guard, and the seal of the governor about the rocks has not yet been broken.

I recently(over the last few weeks) saw several Discovery Channel and PBS documentaries describing similar historical detail as presented in these stories of the Resurrection written over 75 years ago. BUT I hadn't found evidence with that same historical detail until recently.

I was just wondering how others have seen the development of historical evidence surrounding details of The Resurrection in recent times. It seems as we continue to develop our historical understanding of the times of Jesus, more and more details of his life and death fall into place in terms of validity. While many aspects of the resurrection are still taken on Faith, the historical evidence for the possibility of the Resurrection slowly grows over time.

The Resurrection Of Jesus

At two forty-five Sunday morning, the Paradise incarnation commission, consisting of seven unidentified Paradise personalities, arrived on the scene and immediately deployed themselves about the tomb. At ten minutes before three, intense vibrations of commingled material and heavenly activities began to issue from Joseph's new tomb, and at two minutes past three o'clock, this Sunday morning, April 9, A.D. 30, the resurrected heavenly form and personality of Jesus of Nazareth came forth from the tomb.

After the resurrected Jesus emerged from his burial tomb, the body of flesh in which he had lived and wrought on earth for almost thirty-six years was still lying there in the sepulchre niche, undisturbed and wrapped in the linen sheet, just as it had been laid to rest by Joseph and his associates on Friday afternoon. Neither was the stone before the entrance of the tomb in any way disturbed; the seal of Pilate was still unbroken; the soldiers were still on guard. The temple guards had been on continuous duty; the Roman guard had been changed at midnight. None of these watchers suspected that the object of their vigil had risen to a new and higher form of existence, and that the body which they were guarding was now a discarded outer covering which had no further connection with the delivered and resurrected heavenly personality of Jesus.

Mankind is slow to perceive that, in all that is personal, matter is the skeleton of morontia, and that both are the reflected shadow of enduring spirit reality. How long before you will regard time as the moving image of eternity and space as the fleeting shadow of Paradise realities?

As far as we can judge, no creature of this universe nor any personality from another universe had anything to do with this morontia resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. On Friday he laid down his life as a mortal of the realm; on Sunday morning he took it up again ... There is much about the resurrection of Jesus which we do not understand. But we know that it occurred as we have stated and at about the time indicated. We can also record that all known phenomena associated with this mortal transit, or heavenly resurrection, occurred right there in Joseph's new tomb, where the mortal material remains of Jesus lay wrapped in burial cloths.

We know that no creature of the local universe participated in this heavenly awakening. We perceived the seven personalities of Paradise surround the tomb, but we did not see them do anything in connection with the Master's awakening. Just as soon as Jesus appeared beside Gabriel, just above the tomb, the seven personalities from Paradise signalized their intention of immediate departure for Paradise.

Let us forever clarify the concept of the resurrection of Jesus by making the following statements:

His material or physical body was not a part of the resurrected personality. When Jesus came forth from the tomb, his body of flesh remained undisturbed in the sepulchre. He emerged from the burial tomb without moving the stones before the entrance and without disturbing the seals of Pilate.

He did not emerge from the tomb as a spirit nor as Ruler of the local universe; he did not appear in the form of the Creator Sovereign, such as he had had before his incarnation in the likeness of mortal flesh on Earth.

He did come forth from this tomb of Joseph in the very likeness of the heavenly personalities of those who, as resurrected heavenly ascendant beings, emerge from the resurrection halls of the first mansion world of this local system. And the presence of the Michael memorial in the center of the vast court of the resurrection halls of mansonia number one leads us to conjecture that the Master's resurrection on earth was in some way fostered on this, the first of the system mansion worlds.

The first act of Jesus on arising from the tomb was to greet Gabriel and instruct him to continue in executive charge of universe affairs under Immanuel, and then he directed the chief of the Melchizedeks to convey his brotherly greetings to Immanuel. He thereupon asked the Most High for the certification of the Ancients of Days as to his mortal transit; and turning to the assembled heavenly groups of the seven mansion worlds, here gathered together to greet and welcome their Creator as a creature of their order, Jesus spoke the first words of the postmortal career. Said the heavenly Jesus: "Having finished my life in the flesh, I would tarry here for a short time in transition form that I may more fully know the life of my ascendant creatures and further reveal the will of my Father in Paradise."

After Jesus had spoken, he signaled to the Personalized Adjuster, and all universe intelligences who had been assembled on Earth to witness the resurrection were immediately dispatched to their respective universe assignments.

Jesus now began the contacts of the heavenly level, being introduced, as a creature, to the requirements of the life he had chosen to live for a short time on Earth. This initiation into the transitional heavenly world required more than an hour of earth time and was twice interrupted by his desire to communicate with his former associates in the flesh as they came out from Jerusalem wonderingly to peer into the empty tomb to discover what they considered evidence of his resurrection.

Now is the mortal transit of Jesus—the transitional heavenly resurrection of the Son of Man—completed. The transitory experience of the Master as a personality midway between the material and the spiritual has begun. And he has done all this through power inherent within himself; no personality has rendered him any assistance. He now lives as Jesus of heavenly transition, and as he begins this Transitional heavenly life, the material body of his flesh lies there undisturbed in the tomb. The soldiers are still on guard, and the seal of the governor about the rocks has not yet been broken.

The Disposition Of Jesus' Physical Body

At ten minutes past three o'clock, as the resurrected Jesus fraternized with the assembled heavenly personalities from the seven mansion worlds. the chief of archangels—the angels of the resurrection—approached Gabriel and asked for the mortal body of Jesus. Said the chief of the archangels: "We may not participate in the transitional heavenly resurrection of the bestowal experience of Michael our sovereign, but we would have his mortal remains put in our custody for immediate dissolution. We do not propose to employ our technique of dematerialization; we merely wish to invoke the process of accelerated time. It is enough that we have seen the Sovereign live and die on Earth; the hosts of heaven would be spared the memory of enduring the sight of the slow decay of the human form of the Creator and Upholder of a universe. In the name of the celestial intelligences of all the universe, I ask for a mandate giving me the custody of the mortal body of Jesus of Nazareth and empowering us to proceed with its immediate dissolution."

And when Gabriel had conferred with the senior Most High of Edentia, the archangel spokesman for the celestial hosts was given permission to make such disposition of the physical remains of Jesus as he might determine.

After the chief of archangels had been granted this request, he summoned to his assistance many of his fellows, together with a numerous host of the representatives of all orders of celestial personalities, and then, with the aid of the Earth midwayers, proceeded to take possession of Jesus' physical body. This body of death was a purely material creation; it was physical and literal; it could not be removed from the tomb as the transitional heavenly form of the resurrection had been able to escape the sealed sepulchre. By the aid of certain transitional heavenly auxiliary personalities, the transitional heavenly form can be made at one time as of the spirit so that it can become indifferent to ordinary matter, while at another time it can become discernible and contactable to material beings, such as the mortals of the realm.

As they made ready to remove the body of Jesus from the tomb preparatory to according it the dignified and reverent disposal of near-instantaneous dissolution, it was assigned the secondary earth midwayers to roll away the stones from the entrance of the tomb. The larger of these two stones was a huge circular affair, much like a millstone, and it moved in a groove chiseled out of the rock, so that it could be rolled back and forth to open or close the tomb. When the watching Jewish guards and the Roman soldiers, in the dim light of the morning, saw this huge stone begin to roll away from the entrance of the tomb, apparently of its own accord—without any visible means to account for such motion—they were seized with fear and panic, and they fled in haste from the scene. The Jews fled to their homes, afterward going back to report these doings to their captain at the temple. The Romans fled to the fortress of Antonia and reported what they had seen to the centurion as soon as he arrived on duty.

The Jewish leaders began the sordid business of supposedly getting rid of Jesus by offering bribes to the traitorous Judas, and now, when confronted with this embarrassing situation, instead of thinking of punishing the guards who deserted their post, they resorted to bribing these guards and the Roman soldiers. They paid each of these twenty men a sum of money and instructed them to say to all: "While we slept during the nighttime, his disciples came upon us and took away the body." And the Jewish leaders made solemn promises to the soldiers to defend them before Pilate in case it should ever come to the governor's knowledge that they had accepted a bribe.

The Christian belief in the resurrection of Jesus has been based on the fact of the "empty tomb." It was indeed a fact that the tomb was empty, but this is not the truth of the resurrection. The tomb was truly empty when the first believers arrived, and this fact, associated with that of the undoubted resurrection of the Master, led to the formulation of a belief which was not true: the teaching that the material and mortal body of Jesus was raised from the grave. Truth having to do with spiritual realities and eternal values cannot always be built up by a combination of apparent facts. Although individual facts may be materially true, it does not follow that the association of a group of facts must necessarily lead to truthful spiritual conclusions.

The tomb of Joseph was empty, not because the body of Jesus had been rehabilitated or resurrected, but because the celestial hosts had been granted their request to afford it a special and unique dissolution, a return of the "dust to dust," without the intervention of the delays of time and without the operation of the ordinary and visible processes of mortal decay and material corruption.

The mortal remains of Jesus underwent the same natural process of elemental disintegration as characterizes all human bodies on earth except that, in point of time, this natural mode of dissolution was greatly accelerated, hastened to that point where it became well-nigh instantaneous.

The true evidences of the resurrection of Michael are spiritual in nature, albeit this teaching is corroborated by the testimony of many mortals of the realm who met, recognized, and communed with the resurrected transitional heavenly Master. He became a part of the personal experience of almost one thousand human beings before he finally took leave of earth.

[The Duke of Vandals]

I recently(over the last few weeks) saw several Discovery Channel and PBS documentaries describing similar historical detail as presented in these stories of the Resurrection written over 75 years ago. BUT I hadn't found evidence with that same historical detail until recently.

I was just wondering how others have seen the development of historical evidence surrounding details of The Resurrection in recent times. It seems as we continue to develop our historical understanding of the times of Jesus, more and more details of his life and death fall into place in terms of validity.

The Resurrection Of Jesus

At two forty-five Sunday morning, the Paradise incarnation commission, consisting of seven unidentified Paradise personalities, arrived on the scene and immediately deployed themselves about the tomb. At ten minutes before three, intense vibrations of commingled material and heavenly activities began to issue from Joseph's new tomb, and at two minutes past three o'clock, this Sunday morning, April 9, A.D. 30, the resurrected heavenly form and personality of Jesus of Nazareth came forth from the tomb.

After the resurrected Jesus emerged from his burial tomb, the body of flesh in which he had lived and wrought on earth for almost thirty-six years was still lying there in the sepulchre niche, undisturbed and wrapped in the linen sheet, just as it had been laid to rest by Joseph and his associates on Friday afternoon. Neither was the stone before the entrance of the tomb in any way disturbed; the seal of Pilate was still unbroken; the soldiers were still on guard. The temple guards had been on continuous duty; the Roman guard had been changed at midnight. None of these watchers suspected that the object of their vigil had risen to a new and higher form of existence, and that the body which they were guarding was now a discarded outer covering which had no further connection with the delivered and resurrected heavenly personality of Jesus.

Mankind is slow to perceive that, in all that is personal, matter is the skeleton of morontia, and that both are the reflected shadow of enduring spirit reality. How long before you will regard time as the moving image of eternity and space as the fleeting shadow of Paradise realities?

As far as we can judge, no creature of this universe nor any personality from another universe had anything to do with this morontia resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. On Friday he laid down his life as a mortal of the realm; on Sunday morning he took it up again ... There is much about the resurrection of Jesus which we do not understand. But we know that it occurred as we have stated and at about the time indicated. We can also record that all known phenomena associated with this mortal transit, or heavenly resurrection, occurred right there in Joseph's new tomb, where the mortal material remains of Jesus lay wrapped in burial cloths.

We know that no creature of the local universe participated in this heavenly awakening. We perceived the seven personalities of Paradise surround the tomb, but we did not see them do anything in connection with the Master's awakening. Just as soon as Jesus appeared beside Gabriel, just above the tomb, the seven personalities from Paradise signalized their intention of immediate departure for Paradise.

Let us forever clarify the concept of the resurrection of Jesus by making the following statements:

His material or physical body was not a part of the resurrected personality. When Jesus came forth from the tomb, his body of flesh remained undisturbed in the sepulchre. He emerged from the burial tomb without moving the stones before the entrance and without disturbing the seals of Pilate.

He did not emerge from the tomb as a spirit nor as Ruler of the local universe; he did not appear in the form of the Creator Sovereign, such as he had had before his incarnation in the likeness of mortal flesh on Earth.

He did come forth from this tomb of Joseph in the very likeness of the heavenly personalities of those who, as resurrected heavenly ascendant beings, emerge from the resurrection halls of the first mansion world of this local system. And the presence of the Michael memorial in the center of the vast court of the resurrection halls of mansonia number one leads us to conjecture that the Master's resurrection on earth was in some way fostered on this, the first of the system mansion worlds.

The first act of Jesus on arising from the tomb was to greet Gabriel and instruct him to continue in executive charge of universe affairs under Immanuel, and then he directed the chief of the Melchizedeks to convey his brotherly greetings to Immanuel. He thereupon asked the Most High for the certification of the Ancients of Days as to his mortal transit; and turning to the assembled heavenly groups of the seven mansion worlds, here gathered together to greet and welcome their Creator as a creature of their order, Jesus spoke the first words of the postmortal career. Said the heavenly Jesus: "Having finished my life in the flesh, I would tarry here for a short time in transition form that I may more fully know the life of my ascendant creatures and further reveal the will of my Father in Paradise."

After Jesus had spoken, he signaled to the Personalized Adjuster, and all universe intelligences who had been assembled on Earth to witness the resurrection were immediately dispatched to their respective universe assignments.

Jesus now began the contacts of the heavenly level, being introduced, as a creature, to the requirements of the life he had chosen to live for a short time on Earth. This initiation into the transitional heavenly world required more than an hour of earth time and was twice interrupted by his desire to communicate with his former associates in the flesh as they came out from Jerusalem wonderingly to peer into the empty tomb to discover what they considered evidence of his resurrection.

Now is the mortal transit of Jesus—the transitional heavenly resurrection of the Son of Man—completed. The transitory experience of the Master as a personality midway between the material and the spiritual has begun. And he has done all this through power inherent within himself; no personality has rendered him any assistance. He now lives as Jesus of heavenly transition, and as he begins this Transitional heavenly life, the material body of his flesh lies there undisturbed in the tomb. The soldiers are still on guard, and the seal of the governor about the rocks has not yet been broken.

I recently(over the last few weeks) saw several Discovery Channel and PBS documentaries describing similar historical detail as presented in these stories of the Resurrection written over 75 years ago. BUT I hadn't found evidence with that same historical detail until recently.

I was just wondering how others have seen the development of historical evidence surrounding details of The Resurrection in recent times. It seems as we continue to develop our historical understanding of the times of Jesus, more and more details of his life and death fall into place in terms of validity. While many aspects of the resurrection are still taken on Faith, the historical evidence for the possibility of the Resurrection slowly grows over time.

The Resurrection Of Jesus

At two forty-five Sunday morning, the Paradise incarnation commission, consisting of seven unidentified Paradise personalities, arrived on the scene and immediately deployed themselves about the tomb. At ten minutes before three, intense vibrations of commingled material and heavenly activities began to issue from Joseph's new tomb, and at two minutes past three o'clock, this Sunday morning, April 9, A.D. 30, the resurrected heavenly form and personality of Jesus of Nazareth came forth from the tomb.

After the resurrected Jesus emerged from his burial tomb, the body of flesh in which he had lived and wrought on earth for almost thirty-six years was still lying there in the sepulchre niche, undisturbed and wrapped in the linen sheet, just as it had been laid to rest by Joseph and his associates on Friday afternoon. Neither was the stone before the entrance of the tomb in any way disturbed; the seal of Pilate was still unbroken; the soldiers were still on guard. The temple guards had been on continuous duty; the Roman guard had been changed at midnight. None of these watchers suspected that the object of their vigil had risen to a new and higher form of existence, and that the body which they were guarding was now a discarded outer covering which had no further connection with the delivered and resurrected heavenly personality of Jesus.

Mankind is slow to perceive that, in all that is personal, matter is the skeleton of morontia, and that both are the reflected shadow of enduring spirit reality. How long before you will regard time as the moving image of eternity and space as the fleeting shadow of Paradise realities?

As far as we can judge, no creature of this universe nor any personality from another universe had anything to do with this morontia resurrection of Jesus of Nazareth. On Friday he laid down his life as a mortal of the realm; on Sunday morning he took it up again ... There is much about the resurrection of Jesus which we do not understand. But we know that it occurred as we have stated and at about the time indicated. We can also record that all known phenomena associated with this mortal transit, or heavenly resurrection, occurred right there in Joseph's new tomb, where the mortal material remains of Jesus lay wrapped in burial cloths.

We know that no creature of the local universe participated in this heavenly awakening. We perceived the seven personalities of Paradise surround the tomb, but we did not see them do anything in connection with the Master's awakening. Just as soon as Jesus appeared beside Gabriel, just above the tomb, the seven personalities from Paradise signalized their intention of immediate departure for Paradise.

Let us forever clarify the concept of the resurrection of Jesus by making the following statements:

His material or physical body was not a part of the resurrected personality. When Jesus came forth from the tomb, his body of flesh remained undisturbed in the sepulchre. He emerged from the burial tomb without moving the stones before the entrance and without disturbing the seals of Pilate.

He did not emerge from the tomb as a spirit nor as Ruler of the local universe; he did not appear in the form of the Creator Sovereign, such as he had had before his incarnation in the likeness of mortal flesh on Earth.

He did come forth from this tomb of Joseph in the very likeness of the heavenly personalities of those who, as resurrected heavenly ascendant beings, emerge from the resurrection halls of the first mansion world of this local system. And the presence of the Michael memorial in the center of the vast court of the resurrection halls of mansonia number one leads us to conjecture that the Master's resurrection on earth was in some way fostered on this, the first of the system mansion worlds.

The first act of Jesus on arising from the tomb was to greet Gabriel and instruct him to continue in executive charge of universe affairs under Immanuel, and then he directed the chief of the Melchizedeks to convey his brotherly greetings to Immanuel. He thereupon asked the Most High for the certification of the Ancients of Days as to his mortal transit; and turning to the assembled heavenly groups of the seven mansion worlds, here gathered together to greet and welcome their Creator as a creature of their order, Jesus spoke the first words of the postmortal career. Said the heavenly Jesus: "Having finished my life in the flesh, I would tarry here for a short time in transition form that I may more fully know the life of my ascendant creatures and further reveal the will of my Father in Paradise."

After Jesus had spoken, he signaled to the Personalized Adjuster, and all universe intelligences who had been assembled on Earth to witness the resurrection were immediately dispatched to their respective universe assignments.

Jesus now began the contacts of the heavenly level, being introduced, as a creature, to the requirements of the life he had chosen to live for a short time on Earth. This initiation into the transitional heavenly world required more than an hour of earth time and was twice interrupted by his desire to communicate with his former associates in the flesh as they came out from Jerusalem wonderingly to peer into the empty tomb to discover what they considered evidence of his resurrection.

Now is the mortal transit of Jesus—the transitional heavenly resurrection of the Son of Man—completed. The transitory experience of the Master as a personality midway between the material and the spiritual has begun. And he has done all this through power inherent within himself; no personality has rendered him any assistance. He now lives as Jesus of heavenly transition, and as he begins this Transitional heavenly life, the material body of his flesh lies there undisturbed in the tomb. The soldiers are still on guard, and the seal of the governor about the rocks has not yet been broken.

The Disposition Of Jesus' Physical Body

At ten minutes past three o'clock, as the resurrected Jesus fraternized with the assembled heavenly personalities from the seven mansion worlds. the chief of archangels—the angels of the resurrection—approached Gabriel and asked for the mortal body of Jesus. Said the chief of the archangels: "We may not participate in the transitional heavenly resurrection of the bestowal experience of Michael our sovereign, but we would have his mortal remains put in our custody for immediate dissolution. We do not propose to employ our technique of dematerialization; we merely wish to invoke the process of accelerated time. It is enough that we have seen the Sovereign live and die on Earth; the hosts of heaven would be spared the memory of enduring the sight of the slow decay of the human form of the Creator and Upholder of a universe. In the name of the celestial intelligences of all the universe, I ask for a mandate giving me the custody of the mortal body of Jesus of Nazareth and empowering us to proceed with its immediate dissolution."

And when Gabriel had conferred with the senior Most High of Edentia, the archangel spokesman for the celestial hosts was given permission to make such disposition of the physical remains of Jesus as he might determine.

After the chief of archangels had been granted this request, he summoned to his assistance many of his fellows, together with a numerous host of the representatives of all orders of celestial personalities, and then, with the aid of the Earth midwayers, proceeded to take possession of Jesus' physical body. This body of death was a purely material creation; it was physical and literal; it could not be removed from the tomb as the transitional heavenly form of the resurrection had been able to escape the sealed sepulchre. By the aid of certain transitional heavenly auxiliary personalities, the transitional heavenly form can be made at one time as of the spirit so that it can become indifferent to ordinary matter, while at another time it can become discernible and contactable to material beings, such as the mortals of the realm.

As they made ready to remove the body of Jesus from the tomb preparatory to according it the dignified and reverent disposal of near-instantaneous dissolution, it was assigned the secondary earth midwayers to roll away the stones from the entrance of the tomb. The larger of these two stones was a huge circular affair, much like a millstone, and it moved in a groove chiseled out of the rock, so that it could be rolled back and forth to open or close the tomb. When the watching Jewish guards and the Roman soldiers, in the dim light of the morning, saw this huge stone begin to roll away from the entrance of the tomb, apparently of its own accord—without any visible means to account for such motion—they were seized with fear and panic, and they fled in haste from the scene. The Jews fled to their homes, afterward going back to report these doings to their captain at the temple. The Romans fled to the fortress of Antonia and reported what they had seen to the centurion as soon as he arrived on duty.

The Jewish leaders began the sordid business of supposedly getting rid of Jesus by offering bribes to the traitorous Judas, and now, when confronted with this embarrassing situation, instead of thinking of punishing the guards who deserted their post, they resorted to bribing these guards and the Roman soldiers. They paid each of these twenty men a sum of money and instructed them to say to all: "While we slept during the nighttime, his disciples came upon us and took away the body." And the Jewish leaders made solemn promises to the soldiers to defend them before Pilate in case it should ever come to the governor's knowledge that they had accepted a bribe.

The Christian belief in the resurrection of Jesus has been based on the fact of the "empty tomb." It was indeed a fact that the tomb was empty, but this is not the truth of the resurrection. The tomb was truly empty when the first believers arrived, and this fact, associated with that of the undoubted resurrection of the Master, led to the formulation of a belief which was not true: the teaching that the material and mortal body of Jesus was raised from the grave. Truth having to do with spiritual realities and eternal values cannot always be built up by a combination of apparent facts. Although individual facts may be materially true, it does not follow that the association of a group of facts must necessarily lead to truthful spiritual conclusions.

The tomb of Joseph was empty, not because the body of Jesus had been rehabilitated or resurrected, but because the celestial hosts had been granted their request to afford it a special and unique dissolution, a return of the "dust to dust," without the intervention of the delays of time and without the operation of the ordinary and visible processes of mortal decay and material corruption.

The mortal remains of Jesus underwent the same natural process of elemental disintegration as characterizes all human bodies on earth except that, in point of time, this natural mode of dissolution was greatly accelerated, hastened to that point where it became well-nigh instantaneous.

The true evidences of the resurrection of Michael are spiritual in nature, albeit this teaching is corroborated by the testimony of many mortals of the realm who met, recognized, and communed with the resurrected transitional heavenly Master. He became a part of the personal experience of almost one thousand human beings before he finally took leave of earth.

I kept waiting for the part where you presented facts. It never came.

The fact is that we know the resurrection didn't happen. You can read all about why we think it did and what actually happened here: www.jesusneverexisted.com.

[The Duke of Vandals]

The Historical details I found interesting on those recent Discovery and PBS programs were ones like the type of house where Jesus would have had the dinner. On the program it said it would have been a well to do house in Jerusalem.

It talked about the images such as the DaVinci Last Supper having it all wrong. Instead of a long Table with chairs it would have been a "U" shaped table with recliners like divans all around it. The place of honor where Jesus would have sat (laid down) would have been on the Left. The positions of rank would have extended around the table from his left. To his immediate right would have been the lowest position that Peter would have had. They would eat from the table in a reclining position. John may have even placed his head on Jesus' chest as the lay around the table. The food may have included Paschal Lamb but not necessarily. Bitter herbs would have been served with the meal. Unleavened bread and wine and water would have also been on the table.

When they left they would have passed through the garden of Gethesmy where the Apostles probable would have sleep having just finished dinner, on the way back to Bethany where they were staying.

Regardless of weather Jesus and the apostles ever existed or not, these are the historical facts of the culture and the times and the physical geography in which these scenarios would have taken place.

They got a forensic scientist to do a facial reconstruction on a 2000 year old skull of a Jewish Male. The scientist noted that almost all the current images of Jesus are not historically accurate. The 2000 Jewish skull of the area and time are very distinctive in that they are the narrow skull so often portrayed in the paintings of Jesus. They are noticeable larger in width that the narrower skulls.

The reconstructed face done by the forensic scientist had flater forehead and wider width on top from front to back. They deducted from Paul's writings that Jesus probably had short hair. because Paul said long hair on men is disgraceful so they figured since Jesus' brother James was a leader in Jerusalem that if Jesus had long hair Paul would have never made that statement.

They talked about typical tomb in those days and went to a place that may have been a likely area where there many tombs that Jesus may have been buried. The large round Stone rolled inside a chiseled grove so that several strong men could roll it over the opening to prevent grave robbers and animals from easily entering the tomb. The size and weight of the stone made it prohibitive.

They talked about something like Carthar was touching on. That Mary Magdalene and the women may have been returning to finish proper anointing of the body for it's burial. The burial cloth would have been about 14 ft. long and covered him from the feet underneath and up and around the head and back down to the feet. With a small cloth veil covering his face.

Many of these things (historical physical details of the times) brought up in these recent programs were lost details recently being rediscovered. And my question is has anyone else noticed that?

The reason I enjoy these discoveries is because it gives me the sense of being able to picture the story of Jesus in an historical more accurate light.
Weather one believes Jesus really existed or not isn't really important. What is important are the lessons attributed to him that when followed by us make us better people. That's what's important. And it's not important for HIM it's important for us, because it is the WAY out of our misery!

I'm sorry, but do you have any actual sources or are you still believing everything they show on television?

[Cathar1950]

I'm sorry, but do you have any actual sources or are you still believing everything they show on television?

I watch the same show and it was pretty interesting even if Jesus didn't exist but I had read many of their sources and had an idea about what they were showing.
If there is anything to the gospel stories it seems Jesus was placed in a tomb as a temp solution and would have been moved if it were not his tomb. Then there is the practice of letting the flesh rot off the bones before being collected a year later and either stored in a box or buried in a hole or tomb possibly with other family members (dead ones I presume).
But it is possible that the unknown author of Mark made it up and didn't know what happened to the body if it ever existed. Matthew and Luke followed Mark but seem to have added their own touches for their purposes. Mark has many versions and even the ending was added later as it seems to have ended with just an empty tomb and some guy or angel (messenger) told them to go to Galilee.
There were stories or tales going around about others that were assumed into heaven such as when the hero's body couldn't be found after a battle. The problem apologist have is they assume there was some story of an empty tomb based of tradition or an even and it could very well be the invention of the author of Mark followed by others. We simply don't and can't know what the Jewish Christians in Jerusalem lead by James believed as Paul doesn’t give their position and beliefs and claims his were a revelation and admits differences with others without telling us what those differences were. We can hardly figure out what Paul believed and most of his knowledge he provides is questionable and might very well be later additions.
The unknown author of Luke/Acts has Jesus being assumed into heaven right after his resurrection and 40 days latter. The details were not that important as the message and the purpose of the writings. Like many Greek hero stories they are full of marvels.
As one scholar points out, the supernatural violates the analogy of experience as it is beyond natural occurrence. Once it goes beyond the natural explanation, any suggestion of evidence is no longer relevant. The selection of what we are going to believe about all writings containing the supernatural, which would also include all other writings, is subjective and driven by belief. If we take them as actual account of reality or a historical even then we have no reason to stop there and should also accept other tales as history and fact such as Hercules being fathered by Zeus and Augustus being the son of a god, as well as other supernatural stories. We often here the apologist claim that if we are going to toss out the gospels they we need to toss out all other writings yet they are unwilling to extend the faith in supernatural aspect is other stories such as Greek, Roman, Persian, Babylonian, Egyptian and Canaanite myths and stories. They accuse of others of having a double standard, which they don’t and suggest we accept their subjective double standard which is governed by their beliefs which vary according to readings and interpretations and have been from the earliest expressions.

[Zzyzx]

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Cathar,

Your insight is astonishing in its clarity and your background in Comparative Religion contributes greatly to these discussions.

As one scholar points out, the supernatural violates the analogy of experience as it is beyond natural occurrence. Once it goes beyond the natural explanation, any suggestion of evidence is no longer relevant. The selection of what we are going to believe about all writings containing the supernatural, which would also include all other writings, is subjective and driven by belief. If we take them as actual account of reality or a historical even then we have no reason to stop there and should also accept other tales as history and fact such as Hercules being fathered by Zeus and Augustus being the son of a god, as well as other supernatural stories.

If I was debating as a Theist, you would be the LAST person I would want to “cross swords” with.

[twobitsmedia]

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Cathar,

Your insight is astonishing in its clarity and your background in Comparative Religion contributes greatly to these discussions.

As one scholar points out, the supernatural violates the analogy of experience as it is beyond natural occurrence. Once it goes beyond the natural explanation, any suggestion of evidence is no longer relevant. The selection of what we are going to believe about all writings containing the supernatural, which would also include all other writings, is subjective and driven by belief. If we take them as actual account of reality or a historical even then we have no reason to stop there and should also accept other tales as history and fact such as Hercules being fathered by Zeus and Augustus being the son of a god, as well as other supernatural stories.

If I was debating as a Theist, you would be the LAST person I would want to “cross swords” with.

Interesting, because I find Cathar the least impactful...and usually just uses one author to refute another.

[The Duke of Vandals]

But it is possible that the unknown author of Mark made it up and didn't know what happened to the body if it ever existed. Matthew and Luke followed Mark but seem to have added their own touches for their purposes. Mark has many versions and even the ending was added later as it seems to have ended with just an empty tomb and some guy or angel (messenger) told them to go to Galilee.

In 1600 years of apologetics, no Christian has ever been able to demonstrate anything to contradict the bolded section.

[Cathar1950]

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Cathar,

Your insight is astonishing in its clarity and your background in Comparative Religion contributes greatly to these discussions.

As one scholar points out, the supernatural violates the analogy of experience as it is beyond natural occurrence. Once it goes beyond the natural explanation, any suggestion of evidence is no longer relevant. The selection of what we are going to believe about all writings containing the supernatural, which would also include all other writings, is subjective and driven by belief. If we take them as actual account of reality or a historical even then we have no reason to stop there and should also accept other tales as history and fact such as Hercules being fathered by Zeus and Augustus being the son of a god, as well as other supernatural stories.

If I was debating as a Theist, you would be the LAST person I would want to “cross swords” with.

Interesting, because I find Cathar the least impactful...and usually just uses one author to refute another.

I would doubt anyone or anything would have an impact on you unless it conforms to your beliefs. You made that charge in another thread where I mention what one author explains about brainwashing and you came back "I heard he does that" or some such nonsense. Then when asked about your sources you make some rather pointless remark about using one author against another author where you didn't even bother with another author, just cheap shots that you were not very good. As I said in the other thread that is your method and you are projecting where I fail to see where you have bothered to read either authors, your imaginary one (or what someone wrote about another author) and your disregard of my sources without explanation. Next you will be claiming I don't give sources. I guess what every works for you is just fine with you even if your selection is subjective, presumptive and unresponsive to critical response or thought. I feel like I am dealing with some snotty Sunday school brat. Of course that is a highly subjective feeling while all I have to go on is your inane babble.

[twobitsmedia]

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Cathar,

Your insight is astonishing in its clarity and your background in Comparative Religion contributes greatly to these discussions.

As one scholar points out, the supernatural violates the analogy of experience as it is beyond natural occurrence. Once it goes beyond the natural explanation, any suggestion of evidence is no longer relevant. The selection of what we are going to believe about all writings containing the supernatural, which would also include all other writings, is subjective and driven by belief. If we take them as actual account of reality or a historical even then we have no reason to stop there and should also accept other tales as history and fact such as Hercules being fathered by Zeus and Augustus being the son of a god, as well as other supernatural stories.

If I was debating as a Theist, you would be the LAST person I would want to “cross swords” with.

Interesting, because I find Cathar the least impactful...and usually just uses one author to refute another.

I would doubt anyone or anything would have an impact on you unless it conforms to your beliefs. You made that charge in another thread where I mention what one author explains about brainwashing and you came back "I heard he does that" or some such nonsense. Then when asked about your sources you make some rather pointless remark about using one author against another author where you didn't even bother with another author, just cheap shots that you were not very good. As I said in the other thread that is your method and you are projecting where I fail to see where you have bothered to read either authors, your imaginary one (or what someone wrote about another author) and your disregard of my sources without explanation. Next you will be claiming I don't give sources. I guess what every works for you is just fine with you even if your selection is subjective, presumptive and unresponsive to critical response or thought. I feel like I am dealing with some snotty Sunday school brat. Of course that is a highly subjective feeling while all I have to go on is your inane babble.

Thanks for showing why your comments are least impactfu to theism. I didnt think it would take long.....If you personal critique of myself impacted theism even in the slightest, you might show up on the scale.

[Cathar1950]

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Cathar,

Your insight is astonishing in its clarity and your background in Comparative Religion contributes greatly to these discussions.

As one scholar points out, the supernatural violates the analogy of experience as it is beyond natural occurrence. Once it goes beyond the natural explanation, any suggestion of evidence is no longer relevant. The selection of what we are going to believe about all writings containing the supernatural, which would also include all other writings, is subjective and driven by belief. If we take them as actual account of reality or a historical even then we have no reason to stop there and should also accept other tales as history and fact such as Hercules being fathered by Zeus and Augustus being the son of a god, as well as other supernatural stories.

If I was debating as a Theist, you would be the LAST person I would want to “cross swords” with.

Interesting, because I find Cathar the least impactful...and usually just uses one author to refute another.

I would doubt anyone or anything would have an impact on you unless it conforms to your beliefs. You made that charge in another thread where I mention what one author explains about brainwashing and you came back "I heard he does that" or some such nonsense. Then when asked about your sources you make some rather pointless remark about using one author against another author where you didn't even bother with another author, just cheap shots that you were not very good. As I said in the other thread that is your method and you are projecting where I fail to see where you have bothered to read either authors, your imaginary one (or what someone wrote about another author) and your disregard of my sources without explanation. Next you will be claiming I don't give sources. I guess what every works for you is just fine with you even if your selection is subjective, presumptive and unresponsive to critical response or thought. I feel like I am dealing with some snotty Sunday school brat. Of course that is a highly subjective feeling while all I have to go on is your inane babble.

Thanks for showing why your comments are least impactfu to theism. I didnt think it would take long.....If you personal critique of myself impacted theism even in the slightest, you might show up on the scale.

Whatever you are trying to say.
How have I shown that my comments have no impact on theism and how is it relevant?
What scale is that?
I don't see how a personal critique on your statements impacts theism one way or another as it was directed at your statements not theism in general. I am getting the feeling everyone is going over your head, maybe even me. It looks to me like you are trying to provide some comeback to some imaginary idea you are trying to project on others.

[twobitsmedia]

I don't see how a personal critique on your statements impacts theism one way or another as it was directed at your statements not theism in general.

Now, you are getting it. Try debating theism some time.