"Are there good reasons to believe that a god exists?"
Doesn't seem like much preamble is needed, but expect this largely to be filled (if at all) with arguments in favour of the existence of a God and counter-arguments. (Because the question is not "Are there good reasons to believe that a god does not exist?"). Though if you do think you have a good argument that shows it is reasonable to believe God does not exist, that is also valid.
This question comes up a lot in other threads where various classical arguments (e.g. ontological, axiological, cosmological) have been given in those threads.
If possible, try not to shotgun debate by raising lots of arguments at once. One sound argument should be sufficient.
Are there good reasons to believe that a god exists?
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Re: Are there good reasons to believe that a god exists?
Post #291[Replying to jcb]
I am probably wrong but would bet you are doing the same thing I used to do when using the word theory in regards to the scientific use of it.
http://www.alternet.org/belief/10-scien ... p-misusing Here is an article that will help any of us non scientist to better understand how the words should be used in regards to science.
I am probably wrong but would bet you are doing the same thing I used to do when using the word theory in regards to the scientific use of it.
http://www.alternet.org/belief/10-scien ... p-misusing Here is an article that will help any of us non scientist to better understand how the words should be used in regards to science.
Re: Are there good reasons to believe that a god exists?
Post #292I posted nothing that disagrees with any of the 3 topics. Theory is theory based on what is currently understood. As the author wrote, theories are subject to to change as more is understood: that change could be minor... it could be major. I have already posted that I agree two subjects with what science has proved by the knowledge available. My other posts I see nothing in them that should ruffle any feathers other than, what I post about God.Baconsbud wrote: [Replying to jcb]
I am probably wrong but would bet you are doing the same thing I used to do when using the word theory in regards to the scientific use of it.
http://www.alternet.org/belief/10-scien ... p-misusing Here is an article that will help any of us non scientist to better understand how the words should be used in regards to science.
If and when anyone should find God exists and what God is, it will probably hit them like a ton of bricks just fell on them.
Re: Are there good reasons to believe that a god exists?
Post #293[Replying to post 289 by jcb]
Actually, the Quran is a physical source available for saying something about God.
What you mean by "the only physical source available for saying anything about God" is "the only TRUE source", because you'd dismiss other sources. But you don't want to justify saying that it's true.
I find it absurd that you're stating that because there's only one source that we don't know we can rely on, we should take it as true. Usually when there's only one unreliable source, we don't believe it.
Once again, is it reasonable to believe that a car heading towards a brick wall will stop and reverse, when it's going at 100 mph within 5 metres of the wall?
Actually, the Quran is a physical source available for saying something about God.
What you mean by "the only physical source available for saying anything about God" is "the only TRUE source", because you'd dismiss other sources. But you don't want to justify saying that it's true.
I find it absurd that you're stating that because there's only one source that we don't know we can rely on, we should take it as true. Usually when there's only one unreliable source, we don't believe it.
Once again, is it reasonable to believe that a car heading towards a brick wall will stop and reverse, when it's going at 100 mph within 5 metres of the wall?
Re: Are there good reasons to believe that a god exists?
Post #294[Replying to post 292 by Jashwell]
I don't study other religious materials, so I cannot comment on them one way or the other. Since you don't accept anything from the Bible on what its says is true, even if I post material from other religions about God, I can only assume it will get the same response as my posts do now.
The Big Crunch by some scientists is based on this theory: Gravity will eventually exceed the outward force of expansion, cause the expansion to stop, and the universe will then retract into a black hole, never to expand again, or to expand again.
I don't study other religious materials, so I cannot comment on them one way or the other. Since you don't accept anything from the Bible on what its says is true, even if I post material from other religions about God, I can only assume it will get the same response as my posts do now.
The Big Crunch by some scientists is based on this theory: Gravity will eventually exceed the outward force of expansion, cause the expansion to stop, and the universe will then retract into a black hole, never to expand again, or to expand again.
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Re: Are there good reasons to believe that a god exists?
Post #295[Replying to post 293 by jcb]
The Big crunch is largely not accepted anymore as the universal rate of expansion has been verified to increase.
your verse corresponding with the big crunch are far to general in the meaning to specifically point out the big crunch it could be anything really.
Furthermore by the time universe comes to an end if it does billions of years from now the earth won't be around rendering the biblical prediction false or unrelated to the big crunch.
The Big crunch is largely not accepted anymore as the universal rate of expansion has been verified to increase.
your verse corresponding with the big crunch are far to general in the meaning to specifically point out the big crunch it could be anything really.
Furthermore by the time universe comes to an end if it does billions of years from now the earth won't be around rendering the biblical prediction false or unrelated to the big crunch.
Re: Are there good reasons to believe that a god exists?
Post #296My only point is some scientists (however few or more) do believe the big crunch will occur (because of gravity) in however many billion years that may be. The 2 verses I posted in an abstract way agree with those scientists. Will it occur? It really doesn't matter because when or if it does, nothing remain after.DanieltheDragon wrote: [Replying to post 293 by jcb]
The Big crunch is largely not accepted anymore as the universal rate of expansion has been verified to increase.
your verse corresponding with the big crunch are far to general in the meaning to specifically point out the big crunch it could be anything really.
Furthermore by the time universe comes to an end if it does billions of years from now the earth won't be around rendering the biblical prediction false or unrelated to the big crunch.
The only thing that separates the Bible with science on the other 2 verses is time. For science both occurred billions of years ago. For Christians it occurred in the last 6000 years... plus or minus a few years.
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Re: Are there good reasons to believe that a god exists?
Post #297[Replying to post 295 by jcb]
The verses you posted also agree with a whole variety of different things. So how do you narrow it down? Those verses could virtually account for anything describing the end of anything. It could even refer to the fall of the roman empire(in an abstract way of course)
It would be like me saying:
There shall be a great rumbling and many nations will shudder. Beyond the boughs of eternity shall strike a great pulling force and the stars the sun and moon will extinguish their light for the last embers shall cease to burn.
does that make me a poet or a prophet?
The verses you posted also agree with a whole variety of different things. So how do you narrow it down? Those verses could virtually account for anything describing the end of anything. It could even refer to the fall of the roman empire(in an abstract way of course)
It would be like me saying:
There shall be a great rumbling and many nations will shudder. Beyond the boughs of eternity shall strike a great pulling force and the stars the sun and moon will extinguish their light for the last embers shall cease to burn.
does that make me a poet or a prophet?
Re: Are there good reasons to believe that a god exists?
Post #298[Replying to post 296 by DanieltheDragon]
When or if the universe retracts the result that follows would be quite like that described in the verses.
'There shall be a great rumbling and many nations will shudder. Beyond the boughs of eternity shall strike a great pulling force and the stars the sun and moon will extinguish their light for the last embers shall cease to burn.'
This makes you neither poet or prophet. It is a quote.
When or if the universe retracts the result that follows would be quite like that described in the verses.
'There shall be a great rumbling and many nations will shudder. Beyond the boughs of eternity shall strike a great pulling force and the stars the sun and moon will extinguish their light for the last embers shall cease to burn.'
This makes you neither poet or prophet. It is a quote.
Re: Are there good reasons to believe that a god exists?
Post #299[Replying to post 293 by jcb]
Yes, you need to give a reason why something is true.
We aren't just going to take the Bible as if it's true - why would we do that?
The Big Crunch is heavily discredited, the speed at which the Universe is expanding is accelerating. There's no reason to think it'll stop accelerating and start decelerating.
This means in the case of my analogy - there's a car heading towards a brick wall at 100 mph, it's 5 metres away and accelerating towards the wall, but you still adamantly believe that any second now the car will stop and reverse.
Yes, you need to give a reason why something is true.
We aren't just going to take the Bible as if it's true - why would we do that?
The Big Crunch is heavily discredited, the speed at which the Universe is expanding is accelerating. There's no reason to think it'll stop accelerating and start decelerating.
This means in the case of my analogy - there's a car heading towards a brick wall at 100 mph, it's 5 metres away and accelerating towards the wall, but you still adamantly believe that any second now the car will stop and reverse.
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Re: Are there good reasons to believe that a god exists?
Post #300[Replying to post 297 by jcb]
when you quote me yes but I invented that line on the spot. So I press poet or prophet?
No the results would not be like what is described especially peter as their will be no earth for those events to transpire. Hence it cannot describe in any sense what will happen.
when you quote me yes but I invented that line on the spot. So I press poet or prophet?
No the results would not be like what is described especially peter as their will be no earth for those events to transpire. Hence it cannot describe in any sense what will happen.
