Is It Possible To Know When the Holy Spirit Is Guiding You?

[jgh7]

The bible says the Holy Spirit will be your guide. So, to Christians, how has the Holy Spirit guided you? What do you precisely attribute to the Holy Spirit? What did it do that was outside of your own volition? How do you know it was the Holy Spirit doing this and not your own self?

I am skeptical of people claiming that the Holy Spirit guides them. I am more inclined to believe that it is their own conscience. That is why I ask these questions.

If I had to sum all this up with one debate question, the title would be it. What I would like to see thusly is your best explanation to prove that the Holy Spirit has guided you rather than just you alone guiding yourself.

[theStudent]

bool set_1_vars_valid; // was var_d, use leading s_1 to denote related vars

// Set 1 variables
bool s_1_mountains_require_architecture; // was var_a
bool s_1_architecture_requires_intelligent_mind; // was var_b
bool s_1_person_responsible_for_mountains_existence; // was var_c

// Set 2 variables
bool s_2_TOE_is_valid; // was var_e
bool s_2_TOE_observed; // was var_f

if (set_1_vars_valid)
{
if (s_1_mountains_require_architecture &&
s_1_architecture_requires_intelligent_mind &&
s_1_person_responsible_for_mountains_existence)
{
printf ("Let's talk about God\n");
}
else
{
printf("Let's not talk about God\n");
}

if (s_2_TOE_observed)
{
printf("Let's not talk about God\n");
s_2_TOE_is_valid = true;
}

if (s_2_TOE_is_observed == false) // This bit of code contains a lot of bugs!
{
s_2_TOE_is_valid = false; // !!! Bug !!! Non observation does not render something false.
s_1_mountains_require_architecture = true; // !!! Bug !!! No idea how this leads from non observation of TOE
s_1_architecture_requires_intelligent_mind = true; // !!! Bug !!! No idea how this leads from non observation of TOE
s_1_person_responsible_for_mountains_existence = true; // !!! Bug !!! No idea how this leads from non observation of TOE
}
}
else // Set 2 variables only i.e. TOE is valid or observed
{
printf ("Let's not talk about God\n");
}

This is not a programming debate, so I am am not going to be technically correct.
This is for simplicity.


var_a = The same logic applied to the building, applies to the mountain. Architecture went into both;
var_b = Logically, for architecture to be possible, an intelligent mind is required;
var_c = If an intelligent mind is involved, then logically personality is involved - Hence a person, or persons were responsible for the mountain's existence;

if (var_a && var_b && var_c == true) // if var_a, var_b, and var_c are true...
{

• //then
• Any question on God, holy spirit, miracles, etc., is productive;

}
else //otherwise
{

• Any question on God, holy spirit, miracles, etc., is pointless;

}


var_d = ignore var_a, var_b, var_c;

var_e = life formed in a big soup, then self-replicated, miraculously producing various species, through the process of evolution;
var_f = People have seen var_e happen;

if (var_d == true) // if var_d is true
{

• //then
• Any question on God, holy spirit, miracles, etc., is pointless;

}

if (var_d == false && var_f == true) // if var_d is false, and var_f is true...
{

• //then
• var_e = true; // var_e is true
• var_a = false; var_b = false; var_c = false; // var_a, var_b, and var_c, are all false

}
else if (var_d == false && var_f == false) // otherwise if both var_d, and var_f are false...
{

• //then
• var_e = false; // var_e is false
• var_a = true; var_b = true; var_c = true; // var_a, var_b, and var_c, are all true
• var_e is a lot of make believe, fairyale, and wishful thinking.
• var_a, var_b, var_c, are truths.

}


I hope you clearly understood the if-then-else concept.
That's very relevant to the start of this thread, and deals specifically with the then statements.

I am dealing specifically with the OP.

If var_a, var_b, and var_c, are acknowledged, then progress can be made.
If they are ignored, then it is pointless, to question anything beyond what we have seen.
If the debate becomes strangely one sided, by requesting a web cam of a creator building things, then it must be equaled with a web cam of the LUCA forming life.

Otherwise, it's all pointless.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

bool set_1_vars_valid; // was var_d, use leading s_1 to denote related vars

// Set 1 variables
bool s_1_mountains_require_architecture; // was var_a
bool s_1_architecture_requires_intelligent_mind; // was var_b
bool s_1_person_responsible_for_mountains_existence; // was var_c

// Set 2 variables
bool s_2_TOE_is_valid; // was var_e
bool s_2_TOE_observed; // was var_f

if (set_1_vars_valid)
{
if (s_1_mountains_require_architecture &&
s_1_architecture_requires_intelligent_mind &&
s_1_person_responsible_for_mountains_existence)
{
printf ("Let's talk about God\n");
}
else
{
printf("Let's not talk about God\n");
}

if (s_2_TOE_observed)
{
printf("Let's not talk about God\n");
s_2_TOE_is_valid = true;
}

if (s_2_TOE_is_observed == false) // This bit of code contains a lot of bugs!
{
s_2_TOE_is_valid = false; // !!! Bug !!! Non observation does not render something false.
s_1_mountains_require_architecture = true; // !!! Bug !!! No idea how this leads from non observation of TOE
s_1_architecture_requires_intelligent_mind = true; // !!! Bug !!! No idea how this leads from non observation of TOE
s_1_person_responsible_for_mountains_existence = true; // !!! Bug !!! No idea how this leads from non observation of TOE
}
}
else // Set 2 variables only i.e. TOE is valid or observed
{
printf ("Let's not talk about God\n");
}

This is not a programming debate, so I am am not going to be technically correct.
This is for simplicity.


var_a = The same logic applied to the building, applies to the mountain. Architecture went into both;
var_b = Logically, for architecture to be possible, an intelligent mind is required;
var_c = If an intelligent mind is involved, then logically personality is involved - Hence a person, or persons were responsible for the mountain's existence;

if (var_a && var_b && var_c == true) // if var_a, var_b, and var_c are true...
{

• //then
• Any question on God, holy spirit, miracles, etc., is productive;

}
else //otherwise
{

• Any question on God, holy spirit, miracles, etc., is pointless;

}


var_d = ignore var_a, var_b, var_c;

var_e = life formed in a big soup, then self-replicated, miraculously producing various species, through the process of evolution;
var_f = People have seen var_e happen;

if (var_d == true) // if var_d is true
{

• //then
• Any question on God, holy spirit, miracles, etc., is pointless;

}

if (var_d == false && var_f == true) // if var_d is false, and var_f is true...
{

• //then
• var_e = true; // var_e is true
• var_a = false; var_b = false; var_c = false; // var_a, var_b, and var_c, are all false

}
else if (var_d == false && var_f == false) // otherwise if both var_d, and var_f are false...
{

• //then
• var_e = false; // var_e is false
• var_a = true; var_b = true; var_c = true; // var_a, var_b, and var_c, are all true
• var_e is a lot of make believe, fairyale, and wishful thinking.
• var_a, var_b, var_c, are truths.

}


I hope you clearly understood the if-then-else concept.
That's very relevant to the start of this thread, and deals specifically with the then statements.

I am dealing specifically with the OP.

If var_a, var_b, and var_c, are acknowledged, then progress can be made.
If they are ignored, then it is pointless, to question anything beyond what we have seen.
If the debate becomes strangely one sided, by requesting a web cam of a creator building things, then it must be equaled with a web cam of the LUCA forming life.

Otherwise, it's all pointless.

Religion is very much like any computer program. Once correctly programmed it can be made to jump through the hoops of ones expectations. But a computer program is still just an computer program. It has no physical reality and no connection to the real world other than the purpose for which it was written and created to serve.

[Zzyzx]

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[theStudent]

[Replying to post 32 by Tired of the Nonsense]

Religion is very much like any computer program. Once correctly programmed it can be made to jump through the hoops of ones expectations.

That's exactly what is said about Darwin's religion, on the Theory of evolution.
So that when the question is asked:

How do you know it was the Holy Spirit doing this and not your own self?

When the Christians gives an answer, they have proof, or evidence that can be seen in the community of their Christian faith.
The evolutionists however, can only refer to their guess as, "having a good chance of being right, but could be wrong.

That is far different to what the Christian knows, not guesses, about holy spirit.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 34 by theStudent]

When the Christians gives an answer, they have proof, or evidence that can be seen in the community of their Christian faith.

What evidence? Simply saying something like "The Holy Spirit guided me here to help you" is NOT evidence.

The evolutionists however, can only refer to their guess as, "having a good chance of being right, but could be wrong.

And you cannot be wrong about the holy spirit. That's why you go with it, because that answer is cast in stone and can never be rejected or replaced.

[Tired of the Nonsense]

[Replying to post 32 by Tired of the Nonsense]

Religion is very much like any computer program. Once correctly programmed it can be made to jump through the hoops of ones expectations.

That's exactly what is said about Darwin's religion, on the Theory of evolution.
So that when the question is asked:

How do you know it was the Holy Spirit doing this and not your own self?

When the Christians gives an answer, they have proof, or evidence that can be seen in the community of their Christian faith.
The evolutionists however, can only refer to their guess as, "having a good chance of being right, but could be wrong.

That is far different to what the Christian knows, not guesses, about holy spirit.

Like it or not, evolution does have a considerable amount of physical evidence to support and sustain it. Entire scientific disciplines such as genetics and biology are so thoroughly integrated with the principles of evolution and natural selection as to be entirely untenable and unteachable without them. And then of course there are those darned fossils. Which, I have been told, God put there purposely to confuse science. That scamp.

[theStudent]

[Replying to post 36 by Tired of the Nonsense]

Entire scientific disciplines such as genetics and biolog

...are actually existing because of the works that are a product of the holy spirit.

And many scientists know that it is unreasonable to say anything is impossible, because they are aware that there are some things that seem to defy physical constant. Many of which they don't understand.

Like many of these baffling realities, holy spirit would be much more baffling.

[PghPanther]

[Replying to jgh7]

You have nailed for me the death of credibility of Christianity with your post......

The bible explicitly says the Holy Spirit will guide what to say and how to understand scripture to all who are truly saved. And this spirit has the ability according the Bible to search the very depths of God the Father in heaven and reveal his secrets.........well if that is the case then this spirit should have no problem with providing a consistent revelation to all of the faithful, especially in essential salvation doctrine..

But what are the results?

Exactly what we would expect if there was no such supernatural being.........and that is thousands of conflicting doctrine and dogma........even with essential salvation doctrine among Christians who are sincere in their acceptance of Christ and Holy Spirit guidance...

There is no more better witness to "the lost" in the failure of Christianity as having any reality basis to it than to watch sincere theists debate each other over essential salvation doctrine (there are hundreds of them on youtube alone) to the point where they will consider each other's Holy Spirit guided doctrine to be heretical to each other.........

This is the ugly underbelly of Christian reality among all believers as they cringe about this being realized by the "unsaved" because it exposes the Holy Spirit claims to be nothing more than what they are really are based on...........the believer's own consciousness.

It matters not what a Christian apologists says in an attempt to validate their faith to me anymore because they cannot even get their own house in agreement on what it is to begin with.....

Of which Dr. Robert Price once stated......"It matters not what I believe as a Christian because I'm going to hell in some other Christian's doctrine"

[Zzyzx]

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When the Christians gives an answer, they have proof, or evidence that can be seen in the community of their Christian faith.

Bold added

Yes, the Christians' “proof or evidence� applies ONLY to their religious community – fellow believers.

Notice that we do not debate in that community and that the Christians' “proof and evidence� (the Bible and its derivatives) are NOT regarded as authoritative or proof of truth in these debates.

Those whose arguments depend upon such “proof and evidence� are welcome to post in Holy Huddle or Theology, Doctrine and Dogma sub-forums

The evolutionists however, can only refer to their guess as, "having a good chance of being right, but could be wrong.

This thread is not about “The HS vs. Evolution�.

That is far different to what the Christian knows, not guesses, about holy spirit.

As Mark Twain famously said, “It ain't what you don't know that gets you into trouble. It's what you know for sure that just ain't so.�

Perhaps that applies to in-the-pew Christians that KNOW for sure what Christian scholars and theologians aren't at all sure about and may doubt or dispute (such as “who wrote the gospels�).

In many fields novices with a little knowledge are VERY confident that they KNOW – but with advanced study discover that they don't know so much after all.

[theStudent]

[Replying to post 39 by Zzyzx]

Bold added

Yes, the Christians' “proof or evidence� applies ONLY to their religious community – fellow believers.

Notice that we do not debate in that community and that the Christians' “proof and evidence� (the Bible and its derivatives) are NOT regarded as authoritative or proof of truth in these debates.

Those whose arguments depend upon such “proof and evidence� are welcome to post in Holy Huddle or Theology, Doctrine and Dogma sub-forums

That's exactly the point I was trying to make, specifically regarding holy spirit.
But it can, as well apply to a whole host of other spiritual things.
Hence my computer programming model. Thanks.