15 issues with Christianity

[Compassionist]

If you want to, you can consider my 15 issues with Christianity. It's ok if you don't want to. Thank you. I am not trying to get you to leave Christianity or cause you suffering or offend you. I respect all of the Human Rights of all humans. One of these rights is to have any religion or no religion. So, please don't feel that I am trying to make you an agnostic compassionist humanist like me.

1. Why didn't God make Adam, Eve, all the angels, all the animals and plants equally omniscient and omnipotent as Himself? If He had done that then there would have been a perfect fellowship of true equals and no suffering and no injustice as it is impossible to victimise omniscient and omnipotent beings.

2. Jesus prophesied the end of the world in the Bible but he was wrong: What the Bible says about The End of the World

3. 99.99% of all species to ever exist on Earth are already extinct because life is so harsh and unjust. Humans have also caused the extinction of some species but most were extinct long before humans evolved. How can a loving and just God make such a world? I would prefer it if there were an omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent God but I am not convinced that such a being exists given all the suffering life consists of. Please consider: Top 20 Evil Bible Stories

4. Why is God's treatment of women so unjust? What the Bible says about Women's Rights God punished Eve and all girls/women with painful childbirth. Many women and babies have suffered and died because of the narrow birth canal and all the complications caused by that. I think men made up the story to blame women who are actually the victims of biology.

5. Why is God's treatment of homosexuals so unjust? The Bible and homosexuality

6. How is predestination by God ethical? Predestination

7. I think culpability is proportional to ability, so, with omnipotence comes omniculpability . Given God's alleged omnipotence, it makes Him omniculpable for all suffering and inustice . Why isn't God being punished by God for all eternity?

8. Jesus behaves in the Bible in ways cult leaders have done. Please see: 50 reasons to be ashamed (and not a fan) of Jesus Cult leaders tend to try to get their followers to put the leader above family and friends and do whatever the leaders want.

9. The genomes of complex creatures reveal a lack of any intelligence or foresight. Your DNA consists of millions of defunct copies of parasitic DNA. The inescapable conclusion is that if life was designed, the designer was lazy, stupid and cruel. " Michael Le Page,New Scientist', vol 198 No 2652, 19 April 2008, page 26. I agree with him. What do you think?

10. I think it is impossible for any sentient being to have free will unless that sentient being is omniscient and omnipotent. Biological beings such as humans are not free from causality, they are prisoners of causality. We are the way we are because of genes, environments, nutrients and experiences. If I or Daniel or our dog or a virus had your genes, environments, nutrients and experiences, then we would be you, reading these words right where and when you are reading these words. We would be identical to you down to all your sub-atomic particles and we would have made all the choices you have made. This is true for all biological beings. All choices arise from the interaction of awareness, values and abilities. If you want to alter your or someone else's choices, all you need to do is alter your or their awareness and/or values and/or abilities. Inevitably, our awareness, values and abilities are determined by our genes, environments, nutrients and experiences. The bottom line is that all our choices are inevitable choices. Of course, we still need to lock up people who kill others, rape others, etc. - not because they are guilty, but because they pose a danger to others. Given this reality, how is it ethical for any God or Gods of any religion to punish and reward people with hell or heaven? Some may say that we are given immortal souls or spirits by God which are somehow free from causality and can make free choices which are not determined by genes, environments, nutrients and experiences. There is no evidence that such immortal souls or spirits exist and that they can make choices free from the effects of genes, environments, nutrients and experiences. Of course, I respect everyone's right to disagree with me, even though I am convinced that what I have said is true.

11. Assuming that the Bible is true (that's a huge assumption, I really don't think it can be true because of numerous contradictions and inaccuracies), how is it ethical of God to punish all humans and all other living things just because Adam and Eve disobeyed God? If the story is true, and if Adam and Eve had free will (I don't think they did), there is a partial justification for punishing Adam and Eve for their error but to punish all humans and all other living things for billions of years is totally disproportionate and completely wrong. Also, both Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge, but only Eve and all human females were punished with painful childbirth and being subjugated by men. Why wasn't Adam punished equally? Of course, I am convinced that the whole story is made up by men, to blame women for things which are not their fault at all and to subjugate women.

12. It is claimed that Jesus did not have a human father. Why didn't Jesus or His followers keep some locks of his hair so we could examine his half-divine DNA for evidence which confirms the claim? Since God is both omniscient and omnipotent, He could still do it by materialising locks of hair from Jesus in genetics lab right now but He doesn't do that. Why not? I think it's because God is imaginary and the claim is false.

13. Many miracles were allegedly performed by Jesus e.g. raising the Dead. "Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father." - John 14:12, The Bible (New International Version). Why don't Christians raise the dead by the billions given what Jesus said? I have prayed for the resurrection of many good people e.g. Princess Diana, John Lennon, Mohondas Gandhi, etc. but none of them was resurrected.

14. I statistically analysed prayer. No prayers for miracles were ever answered e.g. resurrection of famous good people, regrowing of amputated limbs, ending all floods, cyclones, earthquakes, etc. The prayers that were apparently answered, e.g. praying for parking space in the car park at 7 am were always answered regardless of whether I prayed to God or Zeus or Thor, etc. In fact, there were spaces in the car park 100% of the time at 7 am even when I didn't pray for space. It shows that God is either lying in the Bible or God is imaginary.

15. The Bible says that Jesus was crucified and resurrected. There is no evidence for this. Roman records don't show it. There are some contradictory stories about it in the Bible but these are just stories - not incontrovertible evidence. Tacitus and Josephus did not witness the virgin conception of Jesus, His birth, the miracles of Jesus, the crucifixion of Jesus and the resurrection of Jesus. Surely, an omniscient and omnipotent God who allegedly created everything and can resurrect the dead can prove to us that He is real and good, not imaginary or evil? There is no convincing evidence for the virgin birth, words, actions, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. All we have are contradictory stories in the Bible which were written by anonymous writers many years after the alleged events took place. The four canonical gospels, like the rest of the New Testament, were written in Greek, Mark probably c. AD 66"70, Matthew and Luke around AD 85"90, and John AD 90"110. Despite the traditional ascriptions, all four are anonymous, and none were written by eyewitnesses. Jesus was allegedly crucified and resurrected in AD 30. I think the reason the Gospels were written so many years after the alleged events is because the writers didnt want any actual witnesses to be still alive to challenge the lies being passed off as the truth. Why didn't Jesus write the Bible?

[Compassionist]

[Replying to post 1 by Compassionist]

Every reason you gave in the OP is a sound and serious issue with this religion. There are also literally hundreds of more issues with this religion.

The only thing that I find difficult to understand is how so many people are so ready to defend such an obviously flawed religion. In the case of your OP the first thing they need to do is come up with 15 excuses to apologies for all the objections you've raise. And none of their apologies are compelling.

But they seem to be unable to see the weakness in these apologies. Moreover, these apologies they give are most often old worn-out apologies that have long since been shown to be extremely flawed. They don't even seem to be able to understand when their apologies are flawed. They just keep repeating the same old flawed apologies like as if continually repeating them will somehow give them some sort of merit.

There is no excuse for any supposedly all-wise God to behave as ignorantly as the God of the Bible.

And as someone had already pointed out that as an apology. No decent God would have used evolution as a means of creation. Yet, that apology only works for those who are willing to reject the truth of evolution in favor of believing in a fantasy world that does't even exist in reality.

An easy way to apologize for the God of the Bible is to simply pretend that reality isn't the way it appears to be.

But even then there's the extreme problem of why this God created evil people in the first place. There is absolutely no excuse for that. And the "Free Will" argument fails miserably.

Does their God have Free Will?

If not, he's not much of a God.

And if he has free will, then clearly free will cannot be blamed for evil. Obviously free will does not cause or require that a person choose to be evil.

So they have a religion that has no valid excuses or apologies. Yet they are clearly unable to accept this truth.

I totally agree with you. I think it is due to brainwashing and wishful thinking that they can't see the flaws in Christianity and in the apologies and arguments for it. Thank you for your reply.

[By Grace]

1. Why didn't God make Adam, Eve, all the angels, all the animals and plants equally omniscient and omnipotent as Himself? If He had done that then there would have been a perfect fellowship of true equals and no suffering and no injustice as it is impossible to victimise omniscient and omnipotent beings.

Your "objection" is simply an appeal to pantheism, and the basis for that, "fellowship" is a construction of your own making, not supported in the Bible.

Another poster had it correct that you are asking God to make "God clones" as equal to Himself. Therefore, your "objection" is biased on your conjecture, and not on what actually is, facts, you know.

2. Jesus prophesied the end of the world in the Bible but he was wrong: What the Bible says about The End of the World

Jesus did not set any dates, either using the Jewish Calendar or the Julian calendar. Therefore, all you can logically say is that "the 'end off the world' has not yet come". Thus that is another "objection" based upon your conjecture

3. 99.99% of all species to ever exist on Earth are already extinct because life is so harsh and unjust. Humans have also caused the extinction of some species but most were extinct long before humans evolved. How can a loving and just God make such a world? I would prefer it if there were an omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent God but I am not convinced that such a being exists given all the suffering life consists of. Please consider: Top 20 Evil Bible Stories

ANOTHER "objection" based upon conjecture!

I suppose that you would like to attempt to domesticate a T-Rex or a Mastodon in order to accommodate your wishful thinking?

4. Why is God's treatment of women so unjust? What the Bible says about Women's Rights God punished Eve and all girls/women with painful childbirth. Many women and babies have suffered and died because of the narrow birth canal and all the complications caused by that. I think men made up the story to blame women who are actually the victims of biology.

This "objection" is simply bereft of FACTS:

Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said,

I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing;
in pain you shall bring forth children.
Your desire shall be for your husband,
and he shall rule over you.


17 And to Adam he said,

Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
and have eaten of the tree
of which I commanded you,
You shall not eat of it,
cursed is the ground because of you;
in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
18 thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;
and you shall eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your face
you shall eat bread,
till you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken;
for you are dust,
and to dust you shall return.
ESV

Because BOTH Adam and Eve disobeyed, they were EQUALLY punished.



I shall deal with the rest later

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 30 by Compassionist]

1. I ask that you reread what you wrote, you are asking God to make God.

2. You posted a link. I'd prefer your own arguments. Pick a quote from that list and we can discuss it (the Kingdom of God arrived when Jesus rose from the dead btw so pick some quotes lower in the list).

3. Well that's worth exploring. For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. How is that not loving?

4. Both sexes suffer. Men have no innate worth and must earn it externally.

5. Lots of species do a lot of things like ducks who propagate through rape. Does that justify rape? I've never understood the rationale behind proudly claiming that because an animal does something so can we. A lot of the philosophy in the Bible asks the question of whether we are just simply animals. Ecclesiastes: Surely the fate of human beings is like that of the animals; the same fate awaits them both: As one dies, so dies the other. All have the same breath; humans have no advantage over animals.

6.

7. Freewill of course.

8. OK ... Hating your own family. Basically, I find family to be one of the strongest relational forces in the world. Many people remain in awful situations because of family. If only more people had the courage to hate their family and then consciously choose who they would relate with the world would be better off.

9. When God created the world He declared it good, not perfect. More and more junk dna is being found out to not be at all. https://www.scientificamerican.com/arti ... -junk-dna/

10. You don't believe in free will. You are logically therefore not alive and sentient.

11. That's a gratitude issue. Your response here contradicts your response in point 10.

12. Not worth debating. Since they didn't know about dna they wouldn't have kept a lock of his hair.

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15. No, I think scientism would have reduced your miracle to science if it happened that way. The way God has chosen is a lot more miraculous. Spreading his message from a backwater that no one cared about to the whole world through paper and fallible people.

[Tcg]

5 - Sex in the Bible is a union between opposites a union between heaven and earth. As such homosexuality is a rejection of that union.

Given that the Bible claims that all humans are made in the image of God, any union between humans would be a union of like beings. To follow your logic would suggest that bestiality or sex with inanimate objects is holy. You could even make an argument for necrophilia with it, dead versus living and all.

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 34 by Tcg]

I'm not sure you understand what opposite means. Perhaps if I call it 'complimentary opposites' that will help you? Regardless, I suggest you not trust your understanding of the word opposite at this stage.

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 34 by Tcg]

I'm not sure you understand what opposite means. Perhaps if I call it 'complimentary opposites' that will help you? Regardless, I suggest you not trust your understanding of the word opposite at this stage.

I understand it quite completely. It is you that seems confused about its meaning.

Additionally, why should I not trust my proper understanding of the word when you haven't even attempted to explain how it is flawed?

[Compassionist]

1. Why didn't God make Adam, Eve, all the angels, all the animals and plants equally omniscient and omnipotent as Himself? If He had done that then there would have been a perfect fellowship of true equals and no suffering and no injustice as it is impossible to victimise omniscient and omnipotent beings.

Your "objection" is simply an appeal to pantheism, and the basis for that, "fellowship" is a construction of your own making, not supported in the Bible.

Another poster had it correct that you are asking God to make "God clones" as equal to Himself. Therefore, your "objection" is biased on your conjecture, and not on what actually is, facts, you know.

2. Jesus prophesied the end of the world in the Bible but he was wrong: What the Bible says about The End of the World

Jesus did not set any dates, either using the Jewish Calendar or the Julian calendar. Therefore, all you can logically say is that "the 'end off the world' has not yet come". Thus that is another "objection" based upon your conjecture

3. 99.99% of all species to ever exist on Earth are already extinct because life is so harsh and unjust. Humans have also caused the extinction of some species but most were extinct long before humans evolved. How can a loving and just God make such a world? I would prefer it if there were an omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent God but I am not convinced that such a being exists given all the suffering life consists of. Please consider: Top 20 Evil Bible Stories

ANOTHER "objection" based upon conjecture!

I suppose that you would like to attempt to domesticate a T-Rex or a Mastodon in order to accommodate your wishful thinking?

4. Why is God's treatment of women so unjust? What the Bible says about Women's Rights God punished Eve and all girls/women with painful childbirth. Many women and babies have suffered and died because of the narrow birth canal and all the complications caused by that. I think men made up the story to blame women who are actually the victims of biology.

This "objection" is simply bereft of FACTS:

Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said,

I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing;
in pain you shall bring forth children.
Your desire shall be for your husband,
and he shall rule over you.


17 And to Adam he said,

Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
and have eaten of the tree
of which I commanded you,
You shall not eat of it,
cursed is the ground because of you;
in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
18 thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;
and you shall eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your face
you shall eat bread,
till you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken;
for you are dust,
and to dust you shall return.
ESV

Because BOTH Adam and Eve disobeyed, they were EQUALLY punished.



I shall deal with the rest later

Thank you ever so much for your reply. Here is my response:

1. I am saying that God could have prevented the Original Sin if He had made all his alleged creations omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent. Your rebuttal missed this point completely.

2. In Matthew 24:24, Jesus allegedly said, "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." The generation of people He was speaking to died many years ago. Yet, what He said did not happen. There are also other contradictory verses about this as quoted in my original post.

3. We could have co-existed with all the extinct species. Life is horrific. Living things are constantly killing and eating other sentient living things. Why did God punish all living things because of one mistake by Adam and Eve? It's not right to punish a deer with suffering and death because of what Adam and Eve allegedly did. That is totally unjust. That is the point you missed totally.

4. Why should all humans have to suffer and die because of what Adam and Eve allegedly did? God didn't even tell Adam and Eve about trillions of sentient organisms suffering for billions of years if they ate the Forbidden Fruit. If God had punished both Adam and Eve equally, they would be taking turns having painful childbirth. In any case, there is zero evidence to prove that the story is true. I think it's fiction made up by men to blame women for things which are not their fault at all. Please see:

[By Grace]

Thank you ever so much for your reply. Here is my response:

1. I am saying that God could have prevented the Original Sin if He had made all his alleged creations omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent. Your rebuttal missed this point completely.

Begging your pardon, and at the risk of seeming rude, since I am not the only one who made that assumption about your OP, then The issue lies with the words you used, and not in our understanding.

More to the point, your OP did not use the words "original sin" therefore, your accusation of me "missing the point completely" is patently false, as well as being offensive. No one can "miss a point" if it was never stated in the first place.

2. In Matthew 24:24, Jesus said, "Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." The generation of people He was speaking to died many years ago. Yet, what He said did not happen. There are also other contradictory verses about this as quoted in my original post.

Wherever you are copying that from, it gives the WRONG quotes, and that does not add to the impression you put forth here.

Second, you are taking Matthew 24:22 out of its context, and whenever one does that their argumentation is destroyed . Here is the verse IN ITS CONTEXT:

Matthew 24:21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Christ! or There he is! do not believe it

The context is the TRIBULATION Since that has not happened, your "objection" evidences faulty understanding of what was actually written, as well as your reliance upon the work of someone else, and you not verifying it for accuracy.

3. We could have co-existed with all the extinct species. Life is horrific. Living things are constantly killing and eating other sentient living things. Why did God punish all living things because of one mistake by Adam and Eve? It's not right to punish a deer with suffering and death because of what Adam and Eve allegedly did. That is totally unjust. That is the point you missed totally.

Coulda, shoulda, woulda. You are basing your point on speculation. Your point about "punishing a deer" bears no relationship to what exists. It is simply sentimentalism parading as reason.

4. Why should all humans have to suffer and die because of what Adam and Eve allegedly did? God didn't even tell Adam and Eve about trillions of sentient organisms suffering for billions of years if they ate the Forbidden Fruit. If God had punished both Adam and Eve equally, they would be taking turns having painful childbirth. In any case, there is zero evidence to prove that the story is true. I think it's fiction made up by men to blame women for things which are not their fault at all. Please see:

Here is the reason AGAIN (sigh) straight from the Bible

Genesis 3:16 To the woman he said,

I will surely multiply your pain in childbearing;
in pain you shall bring forth children.
Your desire shall be for your husband,
and he shall rule over you.


17 And to Adam he said,

Because you have listened to the voice of your wife
and have eaten of the tree
of which I commanded you,
You shall not eat of it,
cursed is the ground because of you;
in pain you shall eat of it all the days of your life;
18 thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you;
and you shall eat the plants of the field.
19 By the sweat of your face
you shall eat bread,
till you return to the ground,
for out of it you were taken;
for you are dust,
and to dust you shall return.
ESV

Really, if you do not read the source material, and then quote it accurately, you will NEVER get any answers to your questions. At this juncture, I am beginning to wonder if you REALLY WANT answers from the Bible, but are content to simply attack it

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1. Why didn't God make Adam, Eve, all the angels, all the animals and plants equally omniscient and omnipotent as Himself? If He had done that then there would have been a perfect fellowship of true equals and no suffering and no injustice as it is impossible to victimise omniscient and omnipotent beings.

Perfect knowledge doesnt necessary mean person is good also. If God would have made people omniscient and omnipotent, what do you think Hitler for example would have done? I think it is good that God didnt make people omnipotent and omniscient. We have enough information to be good.

However, interesting thing is also, what if we are omnipotent, but we just dont understand and believe it and therefore cant do anything with that?

2. Jesus prophesied the end of the world in the Bible but he was wrong: What the Bible says about The End of the World

I disagree with that. Jesus didnt give date for the end of the world. Instead he told that only God knows when the judgment day comes, which is not necessary even same as end of the world.

3. 99.99% of all species to ever exist on Earth are already extinct because life is so harsh and unjust. Humans have also caused the extinction of some species but most were extinct long before humans evolved. How can a loving and just God make such a world? I would prefer it if there were an omnibenevolent, omniscient and omnipotent God but I am not convinced that such a being exists given all the suffering life consists of. Please consider: Top 20 Evil Bible Stories

I think it is good that God gave freedom. Communist utopia would be really bad. And all the evil like God knows, people wanted to know evil, therefore people were expelled to this first death to experience what good and evil really means. This is meant to be just a short lesson, and those who learn well and become righteous, can have eternal life, without any suffering.

4. Why is God's treatment of women so unjust? What the Bible says about Women's Rights God punished Eve and all girls/women with painful childbirth. Many women and babies have suffered and died because of the narrow birth canal and all the complications caused by that. I think men made up the story to blame women who are actually the victims of biology.

Is it really unjust? By what I remember, God didnt say all women have to have painful childbirth, it could be only for Eve. But it is true, many people suffer. I believe it is for that people can know what evil really means (lack of God).

5. Why is God's treatment of homosexuals so unjust? The Bible and homosexuality

I dont think God is unjust.

6. How is predestination by God ethical? Predestination

I dont think God predestines someone so that the person doesnt himself choose also the destiny.

7. I think culpability is proportional to ability, so, with omnipotence comes omniculpability . Given God's alleged omnipotence, it makes Him omniculpable for all suffering and inustice . Why isn't God being punished by God for all eternity?

What do you think, is company that produces guns, guilty of all the murders that are made with the guns?

I think God is only responsible of His own actions. He has given life, so He has right to decide what kind of life He gives. There is no reason to say it is unjust what God gave.

8. Jesus behaves in the Bible in ways cult leaders have done. Please see: 50 reasons to be ashamed (and not a fan) of Jesus Cult leaders tend to try to get their followers to put the leader above family and friends and do whatever the leaders want.

The fact is, you cant follow someone, if you follow something else. People are free to choose do they follow Jesus, but it is just not possible to follow two masters.

9. The genomes of complex creatures reveal a lack of any intelligence or foresight. Your DNA consists of millions of defunct copies of parasitic DNA. The inescapable conclusion is that if life was designed, the designer was lazy, stupid and cruel. " Michael Le Page,New Scientist', vol 198 No 2652, 19 April 2008, page 26. I agree with him. What do you think?

Matter of opinion and also it is possible that the person just doesnt understand DNA well enough. The defunct copies may be because of good reason, if it really exists.

10. I think it is impossible for any sentient being to have free will unless that sentient being is omniscient and omnipotent. Biological beings such as humans are not free from causality, they are prisoners of causality. Given this reality, how is it ethical for any God or Gods of any religion to punish and reward people with hell or heaven? ..

I think that is weird. Free will means only that person can want what ever he wants. It doesnt mean everything should also go like the person wants. And what person wants is not determined by anything else than the person itself. At least I have free will and I take full responsibility of all of my actions. God or anyone else cant be blamed on my own actions and choices.

11. Assuming that the Bible is true (that's a huge assumption, I really don't think it can be true because of numerous contradictions and inaccuracies), how is it ethical of God to punish all humans and all other living things just because Adam and Eve disobeyed God? If the story is true, and if Adam and Eve had free will (I don't think they did), there is a partial justification for punishing Adam and Eve for their error but to punish all humans and all other living things for billions of years is totally disproportionate and completely wrong. Also, both Adam and Eve ate from the Tree of Knowledge, but only Eve and all human females were punished with painful childbirth and being subjugated by men. Why wasn't Adam punished equally? Of course, I am convinced that the whole story is made up by men, to blame women for things which are not their fault at all and to subjugate women.

Adam didnt do the same thing. Eve wanted to become like God, seems that she lusted for power and high position. She also tempted Adam. Adam just fell on Eves temptation. It was not very wise, but it can be understood that man wants to please his woman. There is great difference in the actions and in the motives.

But are you really saying that this life is punishment? Perhaps it is good to know that in Biblical point of view this is the first death, learning place, not true life. After this lesson, those who are righteous, can go back to life, where is nothing evil. (This could be compared to the Matrix in that movie. Soul is the important thing, body is only like vessel for soul to experience things. Nothing of this world cant destroy soul, therefore it is not reasonable to fear anything of this world).

12. It is claimed that Jesus did not have a human father. Why didn't Jesus or His followers keep some locks of his hair so we could examine his half-divine DNA for evidence which confirms the claim? Since God is both omniscient and omnipotent, He could still do it by materialising locks of hair from Jesus in genetics lab right now but He doesn't do that. Why not? I think it's because God is imaginary and the claim is false.

Because it wouldnt really make any difference. The point is not to believe that Jesus was, but to understand what is good and right and do what is good and right.

13. Many miracles were allegedly performed by Jesus e.g. raising the Dead. "Very truly I tell you, whoever believes in me will do the works I have been doing, and they will do even greater things than these, because I am going to the Father." - John 14:12, The Bible (New International Version). Why don't Christians raise the dead by the billions given what Jesus said? I have prayed for the resurrection of many good people e.g. Princess Diana, John Lennon, Mohondas Gandhi, etc. but none of them was resurrected.

In Biblical point of view, soul is the important thing. If your soul is sick, it is not useful to heal the body. I understand that earthly man is focused on flesh, but spiritual men are focused on soul and spirit and understand that God can raise body and give new body, but it is not the important thing. In Biblical point of view, people should not seek earthly matters, because they are not even meant to last forever. If the people you are thinking are really good, which I doubt, they can be with God, in His place. That they dont come back to this first death doesnt mean they have not god situation, if we believe what the Bible tells.

He said to his disciples, "Therefore I tell you, don't be anxious for your life, what you will eat, nor yet for your body, what you will wear. Life is more than food, and the body is more than clothing. Consider the ravens: they don't sow, they don't reap, they have no warehouse or barn, and God feeds them. How much more valuable are you than birds! Which of you by being anxious can add a cubit to his height? If then you aren't able to do even the least things, why are you anxious about the rest? Consider the lilies, how they grow. They don't toil, neither do they spin; yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. But if this is how God clothes the grass in the field, which today exists, and tomorrow is cast into the oven, how much more will he clothe you, O you of little faith? Don't seek what you will eat or what you will drink; neither be anxious. For the nations of the world seek after all of these things, but your Father knows that you need these things. But seek God's Kingdom, and all these things will be added to you.
Luke 12:22-31

15. The Bible says that Jesus was crucified and resurrected. There is no evidence for this. Roman records don't show it. There are some contradictory stories about it in the Bible but these are just stories - not incontrovertible evidence. Tacitus and Josephus did not witness the virgin conception of Jesus, His birth, the miracles of Jesus, the crucifixion of Jesus and the resurrection of Jesus. Surely, an omniscient and omnipotent God who allegedly created everything and can resurrect the dead can prove to us that He is real and good, not imaginary or evil? There is no convincing evidence for the virgin birth, words, actions, crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus. All we have are contradictory stories in the Bible which were written by anonymous writers many years after the alleged events took place. The four canonical gospels, like the rest of the New Testament, were written in Greek, Mark probably c. AD 66"70, Matthew and Luke around AD 85"90, and John AD 90"110. Despite the traditional ascriptions, all four are anonymous, and none were written by eyewitnesses. Jesus was allegedly crucified and resurrected in AD 30. I think the reason the Gospels were written so many years after the alleged events is because the writers didnt want any actual witnesses to be still alive to challenge the lies being passed off as the truth. Why didn't Jesus write the Bible?

The evidence for resurrection is the testimonies in the Bible. And they are not contradictory. Rome and Jews were against Christianity in the beginning. If there were some scriptures, the enemies tried obviously destroy them all, so that Jesus would not be believed and people would not become free.

However, I think the point is not make person to believe. I think the point is to help people to understand. The message is for the sheep of Jesus, they will hear and understand and the message will serve them. Not all are disciples of Jesus and many dont want to be that.

If everything would be proven to you absolutely, would it make any meaningful difference, would you become righteous?

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Imma try to keep these short answers for the original post.

1) This doesn't need an answer. Is it not ok for God to do exactly what Christianity claims it to be? (Note, we are debating about whether or not Christianity is true, and not about whether or not the God you thought up in your head is true).

2) this would require a breakdown of actual verses. But the main examples are (in my opinion) clearly about the transfiguration.

3) And again this is about whether or not Christianity is true, and not about a God you created in your head. If Christianity is true then we should expect to see exactly what we see now, i.e. war, death, suffering, famine, and sin.

4) the Bible tells us woman are glory and are to be loved and respected. And agian, childbirth pain is just a fact of life and is supported by Christianity. Just because you can't think of a god, who you created in your head, to allow such thing is not evidence against the actual Christian claim of God.

5) It's not, the Christian claim of God is to forgive sin and to save people. If you are wondering why homosexuality is a sin... That's a different question, but God says all sexual immorality is a sin. If you can't fathom that, again that is your own construct of god and righteousness, in which case you can create a God to fit any argument you desire... That's not evidence against the Christian God, but a created god in a humans rational.

6) Christianity teaches of freewill.

7) Because that's not Christianities teaching, that's your created god agian.

8) I'll have to read the article later. But I'll note, if Jesus is the risen messiah you should listen to the teaching of building a house in a good foundation.

9) I don't agree, and I think directed evolution is entirely possible and plausible, and I think the science could support that too.

I have to board a plane, I'll look at these others later.