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Let's cut to the chase. Do you have any evidence?

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I feel like we've been beating around the bush for... 6000 years!

Can you please either provide some evidence for your supernatural beliefs, or admit that you have no evidence?

If you believe there once was a talking donkey (Numbers 22) could you please provide evidence?

If you believe there once was a zombie invasion in Jerusalem (Mat 27) could you please provide evidence?

If you believe in the flying horse (Islam) could you please provide evidence?

Walking on water, virgin births, radioactive spiders who give you superpowers, turning water into wine, turning iron into gold, demons, goblins, ghosts, hobbits, elves, angels, unicorns and Santa.

Can you PLEASE provide evidence?

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there is more evidence for precise intelligent design than accidental

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tands411 wrote: there is more evidence for precise intelligent design than accidental
Besides punctuation, the problem with this post is that it makes an assertion without any evidence, or even an attempt to provide an argument or supportive statements.

It is as effective as: "There is no evidence for intelligent design, and a mountain of evidence for evolution and abiogenesis."

BTW, no one I know of makes the argument that life arose 'accidentally.
This type of thinking comes from those who do not understand either abiogenesis theory or the fact of evolution.

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Sir Hamilton wrote: I do accept that you don't know the origin of the universe. As for me, because of my relationship with my heavenly Father i do know the origin of the universe. I never claimed that every unanswered question is something that god did.
Hindus think they know the origin of the universe, too. That doesn't make it right.

As as has already been pointed out to you, this point you keep making is an argument from ignorance.

You don't know the origin of the universe. Nobody does. The information is simply not available to us at this time. You only assume god did it, and of course not just any god, but your god. Even if that were true, it still doesn't tell us much.

How did he do it? Why? Are there others?
Just because you don't know doesn't mean that others don't know. The information is available in the scriptures. Oh I don't assume to know the details of how He did it. And as for why He did it...I might assume because He wanted to. Are there others? Don't know.
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Danmark wrote:
tands411 wrote: there is more evidence for precise intelligent design than accidental
Besides punctuation, the problem with this post is that it makes an assertion without any evidence, or even an attempt to provide an argument or supportive statements.

It is as effective as: "There is no evidence for intelligent design, and a mountain of evidence for evolution and abiogenesis."

BTW, no one I know of makes the argument that life arose 'accidentally.
This type of thinking comes from those who do not understand either abiogenesis theory or the fact of evolution.
So if there is no Creator and life didn't arise accidentally then please tell us how life began? Did these molecules get together one day and decide to form a simple cell? 8-)
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what evidence do you have for macro evolution? species turning into a completely different species? example - foxes are restricted by their genetic coding to be foxes (although there can be variations in their own species- microevolution), they cannot transform into a whale. they do not have the information in their coding to do so. give me proof

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Sir Hamilton wrote:
Danmark wrote:
tands411 wrote: there is more evidence for precise intelligent design than accidental
Besides punctuation, the problem with this post is that it makes an assertion without any evidence, or even an attempt to provide an argument or supportive statements.

It is as effective as: "There is no evidence for intelligent design, and a mountain of evidence for evolution and abiogenesis."

BTW, no one I know of makes the argument that life arose 'accidentally.
This type of thinking comes from those who do not understand either abiogenesis theory or the fact of evolution.
So if there is no Creator and life didn't arise accidentally then please tell us how life began? Did these molecules get together one day and decide to form a simple cell? 8-)
You're shifting the burden of evidence and arguing from ignorance again.

Some food for thought...

"Our universe is so vast that, as I have emphasized, something that is not impossible is virtually guaranteed to occur somewhere within it. Rare events happen all the time. You might wonder whether the same principle applies to the possibility of many universes, or a multiverse, as the idea is now known. It turns out that the theoretical situation is actually stronger than simply a possibility. A number of central ideas that drive much of the current activity in particle theory today appear to require a multiverse.

I want to stress this because, in discussions with those who feel the need for a creator, the existence of a multiverse is viewed as a cop-out conceived by physicists who have run out of answers -- or perhaps questions. This may eventually be the case, but it is not so now. Almost every logical possibility we can imagine regarding extending laws of physics as we know them, on small scales, into a more complete theory, suggests that, on large scales, our universe is not unique."

A Universe from Nothing: Why There is Something Rather than Nothing?
Lawrence M. Krauss, 2012

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tands411 wrote: what evidence do you have for macro evolution? species turning into a completely different species? example - foxes are restricted by their genetic coding to be foxes (although there can be variations in their own species- microevolution), they cannot transform into a whale. they do not have the information in their coding to do so. give me proof
It is tiresome to hear the same silly, predictable arguments over and over, obviously derived from non science 'creationist' blogs. Your question about foxes 'transforming' into whales demonstrates you have little to no understanding of the science behind evolution.

Do you even value science? If I show you evidence from scientific studies, would you reject it as coming from 'scientists?' Do you even agree that there is objective truth? Or do you think each person is entitled to his own 'truth?'

We can see evidence of evolution even within the span of one man's lifetime. Animal breeding is artificial selection. It is an proof of exactly the same process that occurs in natural selection, except that it is sped up due to man's intervention. You picked foxes, so:
http://www.nature.com/scitable/topicpag ... eeding-434
If you really want evidence, read this before you respond.

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Star wrote:
Sir Hamilton wrote: I do accept that you don't know the origin of the universe. As for me, because of my relationship with my heavenly Father i do know the origin of the universe. I never claimed that every unanswered question is something that god did.
Hindus think they know the origin of the universe, too. That doesn't make it right.

As as has already been pointed out to you, this point you keep making is an argument from ignorance.

You don't know the origin of the universe. Nobody does. The information is simply not available to us at this time. You only assume god did it, and of course not just any god, but your god. Even if that were true, it still doesn't tell us much.

How did he do it? Why? Are there others?
Just because you don't know doesn't mean that others don't know. The information is available in the scriptures. Oh I don't assume to know the details of how He did it. And as for why He did it...I might assume because He wanted to. Are there others? Don't know.
No, actually it's not.

There's no mention of the rest of our galaxy, the hundreds of billions of other galaxies, the four forces, virtual particles, fields, dark energy, black holes, or any of the laws of physics. The world is described as having "four corners". Early Christians thought the sun orbited the flat Earth. See, this is the problem. You claim to know, yet can't produce any usable (ie. correct) information. The Bible, despite having alleged divine inspiration, can't produce any usable information. Meanwhile, science, a process of discovery, can produce information.
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Sir Hamilton wrote:
I know because I talk with Him. I hear Him. I feel His presence. My relationship with my Father is as real to me as my relationship with my wife. I know that sounds strange to you...and I must confess a part of me finds it strange as well but it is an awesome experience. :)
And how do you know that the presence you feel is God? Do you mean you hear his voice, or is that metaphoric? How do you know you are not being deceived by an evil spirit, or if it is just a trick your own brain is playing on you?
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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Goat wrote:
Sir Hamilton wrote:
I know because I talk with Him. I hear Him. I feel His presence. My relationship with my Father is as real to me as my relationship with my wife. I know that sounds strange to you...and I must confess a part of me finds it strange as well but it is an awesome experience. :)
And how do you know that the presence you feel is God? Do you mean you hear his voice, or is that metaphoric? How do you know you are not being deceived by an evil spirit, or if it is just a trick your own brain is playing on you?
Jesus said in John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice and they follow me." I am His sheep....baaa baaa. :)
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." Jesus

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