Undeniable and Scientific Evidence of THE Creator.

[Zzyzx]

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From another thread

I present undeniable and scientific evidence of THE Creator.

I await the evidence.

Question for debate: Is the evidence undeniable and scientific (and compelling / convincing) or is it just more of the same stuff that has been presented ad nausea?

[arian]

You know Clownboat, as soon as I read this, I could just envision my ancestors (mothers side Jews) as they were rounded up (by my fathers side Nazis) every morning in the concentration camps and asked "if they had any thoughts" on how they were treated at the camps? In the beginning a few raised their hands, as the rest soon watched in terror them being shot; "Bang! .. Bang! .. Banned! .. Banned!", .. one after another, followed by a dreary and eerie silence only the "crickets" broke.

Did you just compared the moderators to Nazis and accused us of abusing our powers by banning people for agreeing with you? You better clarify that because that's what it reads like.

Oh no, .. gosh no! I was comparing those that defend the Faith here who have long passed on to holocaust victims in the concentration camps. It's an analogy, you can lower your Ban-gun Bust Nak!

[Clownboat]

You know Clownboat, as soon as I read this, I could just envision my ancestors (mothers side Jews) as they were rounded up (by my fathers side Nazis) every morning in the concentration camps and asked "if they had any thoughts" on how they were treated at the camps? In the beginning a few raised their hands, as the rest soon watched in terror them being shot; "Bang! .. Bang! .. Banned! .. Banned!", .. one after another, followed by a dreary and eerie silence only the "crickets" broke.

Did you just compared the moderators to Nazis and accused us of abusing our powers by banning people for agreeing with you? You better clarify that because that's what it reads like.

Oh no, .. gosh no! I was comparing those that defend the Faith here who have long passed on to holocaust victims in the concentration camps. It's an analogy, you can lower your Ban-gun Bust Nak!

Those that defend the Faith!?!
Arian, it has been shown that you are ALL ALONE on this matter. No amount of support for your claims has been shown at all. There are no people that belong to "those" above besides yourself it seems.

"The Faith", appears to be arian's current thoughts on his religious position. To go from questioning his thoughts to comparing himself to people that suffered during the holocaust is an insult to all those that truly did suffer IMO.

In case you didn't know, the holocaust was much worse than having your claims being challenged. What you do is disrespectful to those that had suffered. You are not a victim here. This is debate, and you have a choice as to what you decide to type.

Those that suffer from genocide deserve sympathy. You, nor I deserve sympathy for what we type on these boards.

[arian]

You know Clownboat, as soon as I read this, I could just envision my ancestors (mothers side Jews) as they were rounded up (by my fathers side Nazis) every morning in the concentration camps and asked "if they had any thoughts" on how they were treated at the camps? In the beginning a few raised their hands, as the rest soon watched in terror them being shot; "Bang! .. Bang! .. Banned! .. Banned!", .. one after another, followed by a dreary and eerie silence only the "crickets" broke.

Did you just compared the moderators to Nazis and accused us of abusing our powers by banning people for agreeing with you? You better clarify that because that's what it reads like.

Oh no, .. gosh no! I was comparing those that defend the Faith here who have long passed on to holocaust victims in the concentration camps. It's an analogy, you can lower your Ban-gun Bust Nak!

Those that defend the Faith!?!
Arian, it has been shown that you are ALL ALONE on this matter. No amount of support for your claims has been shown at all. There are no people that belong to "those" above besides yourself it seems.

There, .. see what I mean? They're all gone and I'm left alone.

"The Faith", appears to be arian's current thoughts on his religious position.

.. said by one who makes; a religion out of science.

I present undeniable scientific evidence of The Creator, the Only One Possible, and you call it religion. While you and your so called scientific priests sit in a dark basement claiming to 'create' parallel universes (in the catacombs of the LHC) while denying our Creator and call it science. Get real.

To go from questioning his thoughts to comparing himself to people that suffered during the holocaust is an insult to all those that truly did suffer IMO.

You don't know what I suffer and have suffered because of my firm beliefs in the One True God and for expressing those thoughts, both as a Believer and a Jew.

In case you didn't know, the holocaust was much worse than having your claims being challenged. What you do is disrespectful to those that had suffered. You are not a victim here. This is debate, and you have a choice as to what you decide to type.

In case YOU didn't know, my father was a Nazi who rounded up Jews, .. then after the war left and married my mom a Jew in a different country. I know a lot more than you think, Clownboat.

Those that suffer from genocide deserve sympathy. You, nor I deserve sympathy for what we type on these boards.

Yes we Believers do deserve sympathy, the persecution didn't stop, nor slowed down, actually increased ten-fold .. but today the cruelty seems to go unnoticed. It's all hidden under "Cancer Awareness, Cancer Hospitals, .. treatment/extermination, population control, the work of sustainable development by Geo-engineering biological life to dearth".

Instead of saying; "He/she has been exterminated", .. it's "He/she has been treated!" same result, same technique only under a media-disguise.

[Clownboat]

To go from questioning his thoughts to comparing himself to people that suffered during the holocaust is an insult to all those that truly did suffer IMO.

You don't know what I suffer and have suffered because of my firm beliefs in the One True God and for expressing those thoughts, both as a Believer and a Jew.

As far as what you suffer from, I can only guess Bipolar disorder due to the medication you have admitted to taking. Either way, me knowing what you suffer or have suffered from does not seem relevant.
As far as your feelings of suffering, they are also not relevant nor important for debate. You should not make light of people that truly suffered in the holocaust though. If you want sympathy, you need to look outside of debate.

In case you didn't know, the holocaust was much worse than having your claims being challenged. What you do is disrespectful to those that had suffered. You are not a victim here. This is debate, and you have a choice as to what you decide to type.

In case YOU didn't know, my father was a Nazi who rounded up Jews, .. then after the war left and married my mom a Jew in a different country. I know a lot more than you think, Clownboat.

You're claims are empty, and more importantly irrelevant. This debate is not about the holocaust nor any sympathies you may feel entitled to. Please stop comparing yourself to holocaust victims. If you feel you have suffered so deeply, then seek help, but try to leave it out of debates.

Those that suffer from genocide deserve sympathy. You, nor I deserve sympathy for what we type on these boards.

Yes we Believers do deserve sympathy, the persecution didn't stop, nor slowed down, actually increased ten-fold .. but today the cruelty seems to go unnoticed. It's all hidden under "Cancer Awareness, Cancer Hospitals, .. treatment/extermination, population control, the work of sustainable development by Geo-engineering biological life to dearth".

Arian... stop. Those that suffer from genocide deserve sympathy. You, nor I suffered in the holocaust. Trust me, you have my sympathies, but not for the reasons that you would like.

It will help debate if we as debaters can question the thoughts of another debater without them comparing themselves to those that suffered during the holocaust.

[arian]

To go from questioning his thoughts to comparing himself to people that suffered during the holocaust is an insult to all those that truly did suffer IMO.

You don't know what I suffer and have suffered because of my firm beliefs in the One True God and for expressing those thoughts, both as a Believer and a Jew.

As far as what you suffer from, I can only guess Bipolar disorder due to the medication you have admitted to taking.

I said I take medication that causes Bipolar disorder? What would that have to do with my Undeniable Scientific evidence of The Creator? Why do you keep derailing the thread to your continuous medical and mental diagnoses of me?

Either way, me knowing what you suffer or have suffered from does not seem relevant.

I guess it does sound kind of selfish of me mentioning it, even if someone asks. .. OK Clownboat, we shouldn't leave anyone out, .. so tell me, what do you suffer from? Come on, .. don't be shy, you see I'm not!?
Hey, it might give us the clue as to why you just can't seem to understand my simple and direct scientific explanation of the evidence of our Creator!?

As far as your feelings of suffering, they are also not relevant nor important for debate. You should not make light of people that truly suffered in the holocaust though. If you want sympathy, you need to look outside of debate.

But you have been worried about my physical and mental health for years now Clownboat, it's right there in your posts. And it's you who keeps bringing it up, then when I reach out to you thinking this time you are sincere, you shrug away from me and say that my response to your statement is irrelevant, that I just want sympathy, .. Why? Is it because you only treat holocaust/genocide survivors? Because I have survived many genocidal attacks in my life also! Not that I would ask you for any help to cope with that OK? I'll PM you if I need you!

In case you didn't know, the holocaust was much worse than having your claims being challenged. What you do is disrespectful to those that had suffered. You are not a victim here. This is debate, and you have a choice as to what you decide to type.

In case YOU didn't know, my father was a Nazi who rounded up Jews, .. then after the war left and married my mom a Jew in a different country. I know a lot more than you think, Clownboat.

You're claims are empty, and more importantly irrelevant. This debate is not about the holocaust nor any sympathies you may feel entitled to. Please stop comparing yourself to holocaust victims. If you feel you have suffered so deeply, then seek help, but try to leave it out of debates.

Look, you said: "In case you didn't know, the holocaust was much worse than having your claims being challenged."

And I ANSWERED that with: "In case YOU didn't know, my father was a Nazi who rounded up Jews, .. then after the war left and married my mom a Jew in a different country. I know a lot more than you think" because Jewish claims of the Holocaust are constantly being challenged, I responded with that I do know more than you think about claims being challenged. Who are you to judge which 'claims are worse then others'? Why should your personal judgmental opinions (which includes your mental diagnosis of me) be more 'On-topic' then anyone else's here?
Now if you are a physician, or a psychiatrist by profession, you should announce it, .. but even if it's your professional psychoanalysis of individuals you continuously disagree with on a Forum, it shouldn't be used to derail a topic.
But thanks anyways, if I want your professional opinion I will PM you, OK?

Arian... stop. Those that suffer from genocide deserve sympathy. You, nor I suffered in the holocaust. Trust me, you have my sympathies, but not for the reasons that you would like.

OK, so is this a professional opinion that 'those who suffer from genocide deserve sympathy'? Would that include all non-whites who are numbered in the 6.5 billion reduction under Agenda 21?

Now that you guys derailed the thread, may I ask what reasons you find in me that I need your sympathy for?
Can you define them for me on this now 'dead-thread'?

It will help debate if we as debaters can question the thoughts of another debater without them comparing themselves to those that suffered during the holocaust.

Read what you just said again, .. so tell me, if someone compares his/her suffering to holocaust victims, their thoughts are not worthy to be questioned?

A lot of thoughts come up in debate like your off-topic repeated mental-diagnosis of me, so can you please list which ones are worthy of consideration and questioning and which ones are not?

[Clownboat]

To go from questioning his thoughts to comparing himself to people that suffered during the holocaust is an insult to all those that truly did suffer IMO.

You don't know what I suffer and have suffered because of my firm beliefs in the One True God and for expressing those thoughts, both as a Believer and a Jew.

As far as what you suffer from, I can only guess Bipolar disorder due to the medication you have admitted to taking.

I said I take medication that causes Bipolar disorder? What would that have to do with my Undeniable Scientific evidence of The Creator? Why do you keep derailing the thread to your continuous medical and mental diagnoses of me?

Either way, me knowing what you suffer or have suffered from does not seem relevant.

I guess it does sound kind of selfish of me mentioning it, even if someone asks. .. OK Clownboat, we shouldn't leave anyone out, .. so tell me, what do you suffer from? Come on, .. don't be shy, you see I'm not!?
Hey, it might give us the clue as to why you just can't seem to understand my simple and direct scientific explanation of the evidence of our Creator!?

As far as your feelings of suffering, they are also not relevant nor important for debate. You should not make light of people that truly suffered in the holocaust though. If you want sympathy, you need to look outside of debate.

But you have been worried about my physical and mental health for years now Clownboat, it's right there in your posts. And it's you who keeps bringing it up, then when I reach out to you thinking this time you are sincere, you shrug away from me and say that my response to your statement is irrelevant, that I just want sympathy, .. Why? Is it because you only treat holocaust/genocide survivors? Because I have survived many genocidal attacks in my life also! Not that I would ask you for any help to cope with that OK? I'll PM you if I need you!

In case you didn't know, the holocaust was much worse than having your claims being challenged. What you do is disrespectful to those that had suffered. You are not a victim here. This is debate, and you have a choice as to what you decide to type.

In case YOU didn't know, my father was a Nazi who rounded up Jews, .. then after the war left and married my mom a Jew in a different country. I know a lot more than you think, Clownboat.

You're claims are empty, and more importantly irrelevant. This debate is not about the holocaust nor any sympathies you may feel entitled to. Please stop comparing yourself to holocaust victims. If you feel you have suffered so deeply, then seek help, but try to leave it out of debates.

Look, you said: "In case you didn't know, the holocaust was much worse than having your claims being challenged."

And I ANSWERED that with: "In case YOU didn't know, my father was a Nazi who rounded up Jews, .. then after the war left and married my mom a Jew in a different country. I know a lot more than you think" because Jewish claims of the Holocaust are constantly being challenged, I responded with that I do know more than you think about claims being challenged. Who are you to judge which 'claims are worse then others'? Why should your personal judgmental opinions (which includes your mental diagnosis of me) be more 'On-topic' then anyone else's here?
Now if you are a physician, or a psychiatrist by profession, you should announce it, .. but even if it's your professional psychoanalysis of individuals you continuously disagree with on a Forum, it shouldn't be used to derail a topic.
But thanks anyways, if I want your professional opinion I will PM you, OK?

Arian... stop. Those that suffer from genocide deserve sympathy. You, nor I suffered in the holocaust. Trust me, you have my sympathies, but not for the reasons that you would like.

OK, so is this a professional opinion that 'those who suffer from genocide deserve sympathy'? Would that include all non-whites who are numbered in the 6.5 billion reduction under Agenda 21?

Now that you guys derailed the thread, may I ask what reasons you find in me that I need your sympathy for?
Can you define them for me on this now 'dead-thread'?

It will help debate if we as debaters can question the thoughts of another debater without them comparing themselves to those that suffered during the holocaust.

Read what you just said again, .. so tell me, if someone compares his/her suffering to holocaust victims, their thoughts are not worthy to be questioned?

A lot of thoughts come up in debate like your off-topic repeated mental-diagnosis of me, so can you please list which ones are worthy of consideration and questioning and which ones are not?

None of this is on topic, as much as I would like to respond.

I will once again leave it at this. When your claims are challenged on a debate forum, please don't compare yourself to people that suffered in the Holocaust. It dishonors them IMO.

[Starman]

However, even trolls and others who post incoherent rants are helpful in demonstrating the irrationality of the causes they purport to champion.

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Is there anyone here that would like to expand on arians claim? Preferably someone that is not arian?

I prophecy (sic) "crickets".

"Incoherent rants" are obviously quite subjective, as is "irrationality."

I find the self-serving claim of atheist intellectualism to be "incoherent" as well as "irrational."

Evidence:

"Prophecy" is a noun. The intended word is "prophesy," a verb.
Since grammar is far simpler than scientific rationality, how can someone so lacking in grammar be trusted to espouse scientific rationality?

As to "proof," that term is bantered about endlessly by atheists who demand it of others, but never provide any themselves. The atheist claim that "we have nothing to prove" is mere wordplay. Atheists cannot pin their "rationality" on unproven beliefs in the Magic Nothing.

Matter, energy, time, space, information, correspondence, beauty, consciousness and things unseen in our universe were either created by:

a. An Intelligent Creator, or
b. Nothing.

Nothing is not a "quantum vacuum." That is something, perhaps undefinable and impossible but it is not "nothing."

To the extent that there is some option, please provide it here. "Evolution" is not an option.

The default position of atheists is that since "xtians" cannot "prove" (to your satisfaction, always) that there IS a God, then there must not and cannot be a God.

This is utterly without reason or logic due to the fact that even IF something cannot be proven, it is not necessarily false.

Better would be for atheists to prove that Magic Nothing created everything.

The gravitational constant seems to be the most precise of physical constants. If the gravitational constant were different by as little as 1 part in 10 to the 120th, there would be no stars, and no humans.

Richard Dawkins defines "impossible" as 1 chance in 10 to the 40th power.
I have seen it defined elsewhere as 1 in 10 to the 50th.
The gravitational constant is impossibly precise by scores of orders of magnitude.
It is only one of many such exquisite physical constants which are so clearly inexplicable by anything other than an Intelligent Creator.

By way of comparison, 10^50th grains of sand would fill 15 spheres the size of our solar system out to pluto. The probability of selecting 1 specially marked grain of sand, in 10^50 grains, while blindfolded, on your first and only try, is impossible.

Those who believe otherwise should first contact Richard Dawkins and argue the point with him, and then prove their contention by experiment.

I find the arguments propounded by atheists to be hateful, anti-scientific, unintelligent, and irrational. Atheists constantly invoke the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, while giggling and pretending to be erudite. Such childishness has no place in any rational discussion.

In rebuttal to such atheist pretenses, I ask why you believe in your Magic Nothing Fairy. Nowhere has mankind ever seen nothing spontaneously create something material and tangible. Invoking this concept for the entire universe is without precedent. If you believe it happened, please prove your contention.

I accept the insuperable statistics of physical constant fine-tuning, just for starters.
More on other insuperable statistics demonstrating an Intelligent Creator in another post I shall write.

[Zzyzx]

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SM,

Welcome to the Forum. Congratulations (or condolences) for diving in head-first. It is usually prudent to check for rocks before diving.

Since grammar is far simpler than scientific rationality, how can someone so lacking in grammar be trusted to espouse scientific rationality?

Rational thinking does NOT equate language and grammar skills with ability to understand complex topics, including scientific theories.

As to "proof," that term is bantered about endlessly by atheists who demand it of others, but never provide any themselves. The atheist claim that "we have nothing to prove" is mere wordplay.

What, exactly, is there to prove about "I don't believe your god tales"?

Many Theists who pass through here seem to have difficulty understanding that absence of belief in "gods" does not require that alternatives to theological mythology be provided.

The default position of atheists is that since "xtians" cannot "prove" (to your satisfaction, always) that there IS a God, then there must not and cannot be a God.

Correction: The default position of Atheism is "I do not believe god tales" " period " full stop.

Those who believe otherwise should first contact Richard Dawkins and argue the point with him, and then prove their contention by experiment.

Mr. Dawkins does not debate here to the best of my knowledge. Members debate here.

I find the arguments propounded by atheists to be hateful, anti-scientific, unintelligent, and irrational.

Opinion noted and assigned appropriate value in debate " ZERO.

Atheists constantly invoke the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, while giggling and pretending to be erudite. Such childishness has no place in any rational discussion.

Correction: SOME "Atheists" (common Theist term for anyone who does not worship "gods") evoke other fictional characters. Theists often refer to characters that they CLAIM are not fictional " but cannot seem to substantiate their claims (with anything more than unverifiable ancient tales, testimonials, emotion, and argumentum ad populum).

In rebuttal to such atheist pretenses, I ask why you believe in your Magic Nothing Fairy. Nowhere has mankind ever seen nothing spontaneously create something material and tangible. Invoking this concept for the entire universe is without precedent. If you believe it happened, please prove your contention.

Since the origin of the universe and the beginning of life are subjects of speculation (scientific or theological or other), the most reasonable position in the absence of compelling information is "I don't know how either originate."

Many CLAIM knowledge of "creation" by one of the thousands of proposed invisible, undetectable, supernatural entities (often called "gods"). However, when asked for substantiation they have nothing more to offer than unverifiable ancient tales that CLAIM knowledge, testimonials, personal emotional experiences, conjectures " and condemnation of competing guesses.

It is not uncommon for Theists to pass through here convinced that their "killer arguments" will "slay the infidels" and overpower everyone with their compelling rhetoric. They often start with condescending and demeaning comments about their opposition.

In combat, physical or intellectual, "Know your enemy" is primary advice. Those who underestimate the competition usually do not fare well. Carry on.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 376:

"Prophecy" is a noun. The intended word is "prophesy," a verb.
Since grammar is far simpler than scientific rationality, how can someone so lacking in grammar be trusted to espouse scientific rationality?

'Cause some of us consider rationality rises above the ability to spell words correctly.

Clownboat's rationality is splashed across these pages.

As to "proof," that term is bantered about endlessly by atheists who demand it of others, but never provide any themselves. The atheist claim that "we have nothing to prove" is mere wordplay. Atheists cannot pin their "rationality" on unproven beliefs in the Magic Nothing.

How much evidence does one need in order to accept that an atheist rejects the claims of those who can't show they speak truth?

Matter, energy, time, space, information, correspondence, beauty, consciousness and things unseen in our universe were either created by:

a. An Intelligent Creator, or
b. Nothing.

Falsifus dichotomous.

Nothing is not a "quantum vacuum." That is something, perhaps undefinable and impossible but it is not "nothing."

Nothing must also be something, if there you sit a-tellin' about it.

To the extent that there is some option, please provide it here. "Evolution" is not an option.

"Why won't the atheists tell us all about out, but just don't mention that mean ol' evolution when ya do!"

The default position of atheists is that since "xtians" cannot "prove" (to your satisfaction, always) that there IS a God, then there must not and cannot be a God.

You couldn't be wronger if ya wrote that in all caps.

This is utterly without reason or logic due to the fact that even IF something cannot be proven, it is not necessarily false.

Which is why we seldom see atheists saying it.

Better would be for atheists to prove that Magic Nothing created everything.

Better that one who doesn't understand atheists quit telling what all it is atheists think or believe.

The gravitational constant seems to be the most precise of physical constants. If the gravitational constant were different by as little as 1 part in 10 to the 120th, there would be no stars, and no humans.

Argumentum ad ain't that a big ol' whoppin' numberum.

The odds of something existing, where there it is being all existy, is 1.

Richard Dawkins defines "impossible" as 1 chance in 10 to the 40th power.

Then he's wrong. That which is impossible is just that.

I have seen it defined elsewhere as 1 in 10 to the 50th.
The gravitational constant is impossibly precise by scores of orders of magnitude.
It is only one of many such exquisite physical constants which are so clearly inexplicable by anything other than an Intelligent Creator.

Argument from incredulity.

By way of comparison, 10^50th grains of sand would fill 15 spheres the size of our solar system out to pluto. The probability of selecting 1 specially marked grain of sand, in 10^50 grains, while blindfolded, on your first and only try, is impossible.

And another'n from incredulity.

Those who believe otherwise should first contact Richard Dawkins and argue the point with him, and then prove their contention by experiment.

Nope.

Atheists are not bound to argue in the manner you deem fit.

I find the arguments propounded by atheists to be hateful, anti-scientific, unintelligent, and irrational.

I find the same occurs in arguments by theists.

One's displeasure is not sufficient reason to reject arguments.

Atheists constantly invoke the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, Santa Claus, and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, while giggling and pretending to be erudite. Such childishness has no place in any rational discussion.

Theists constantly invoke God, while giggling and pretending to be erudite. Such childishness has no place in any rational discussion.

In rebuttal to such atheist pretenses, I ask why you believe in your Magic Nothing Fairy.

In rebuttal to such theist pretenses, I ask why you believe in your Magic Nothing Fairy.

It just befuddles me how a theist can invoke images of "Magic Fairies" and not understand why atheists think theists have 'em one themselves.

Nowhere has mankind ever seen nothing spontaneously create something material and tangible.

Nowhere has mankind ever seen a god spontaneously create something material and tangible.

Invoking this concept for the entire universe is without precedent. If you believe it happened, please prove your contention.

A belief is not a contention.

Since knowing that is far simpler than scientific rationality, how can someone so lacking in that understanding be trusted to espouse scientific rationality?

I accept the insuperable statistics of physical constant fine-tuning, just for starters.

Well don't that eat all the carrots out the cake, you demand atheists support contentions you place on 'em, while doing nothing to support your'n.

I call hypocrisy.

More on other insuperable statistics demonstrating an Intelligent Creator in another post I shall write.

You got the odds wrong above, I have little expectation you'll get these stats right, or at least the concludings based on 'em.

[Starman]

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SM,

Welcome to the Forum. Congratulations (or condolences) for diving in head-first. It is usually prudent to check for rocks before diving.


Rational thinking does NOT equate language and grammar skills with ability to understand complex topics, including scientific theories.

Nor did I say it DID. I simply stated that grammar is the simpler skill. Check for rocks.

What, exactly, is there to prove about "I don't believe your god tales"?

Atheists demand proof. I don't believe your godlessness is rational. Prove it is.
Prove there is no God. The usual reply is to claim "You can't prove a negative."
Untrue. I can prove I am not George Washington.

Many Theists who pass through here seem to have difficulty understanding that absence of belief in "gods" does not require that alternatives to theological mythology be provided.

Atheists have difficulty understanding that absence of belief in unicorns, Easter bunnies, and other imaginary creatures does not invoke worldwide groups and clubs obsessed on denouncing that which they do not believe.

Correction: The default position of Atheism is "I do not believe god tales" " period " full stop.

Rocks ahead. Correction: The default position of atheism is relentless antagonism, political, social, personal, vulgar, profane, and in-your-face antagonism of the most judgmental and condescending kind.

Mr. Dawkins does not debate here to the best of my knowledge. Members debate here.

I did not say he does debate here. You may contact him, however. I contacted Atkins and Lennox recently and years ago, Dawkins.

Opinion noted and assigned appropriate value in debate " ZERO.

Response noted, with identical value in debate.

Correction: SOME "Atheists" (common Theist term for anyone who does not worship "gods") evoke other fictional characters. Theists often refer to characters that they CLAIM are not fictional " but cannot seem to substantiate their claims (with anything more than unverifiable ancient tales, testimonials, emotion, and argumentum ad populum).

Repeating a contention endlessly does not make it so. Jesus of Nazareth was not remotely fictional.

Since the origin of the universe and the beginning of life are subjects of speculation (scientific or theological or other), the most reasonable position in the absence of compelling information is "I don't know how either originate."

Many CLAIM knowledge of "creation" by one of the thousands of proposed invisible, undetectable, supernatural entities (often called "gods"). However, when asked for substantiation they have nothing more to offer than unverifiable ancient tales that CLAIM knowledge, testimonials, personal emotional experiences, conjectures " and condemnation of competing guesses.

Books have been written in various disciplines, including history and archaeology, verifying many Biblical truths. That atheists such as you reject anything and everything not in keeping with your personal anti-religious beliefs does not make you either right nor rational nor intellectual.