Are Atheists Potentially Morally Superior to Theists?

[Danmark]

The proposition is that atheists have the potential of being morally superior to theists because to the extent the atheist does good works, he does them because he wants to, because she thinks it right. Whereas the theist acts out of religious necessity or compulsion; the threat of hell or deprivation of heaven.

[TheTruth101]

TheTruth101 said:

"And thus they stand divided, not as one like Christ preached. They stand divided because they rely on morals from the society they stand , and all society's laws are differents from one another."

Talking about divided there are almost 40 000 different Christian denominations...

All carry the same Ten commandments.

No they don't.
http://www.biblicalheritage.org/bible%2 ... dments.htm

Are you reading what you posted? Its categorized differently, catholics,Jews, etc.

We are Christians.

[Artie]

TheTruth101 said:

"And thus they stand divided, not as one like Christ preached. They stand divided because they rely on morals from the society they stand , and all society's laws are differents from one another."

Talking about divided there are almost 40 000 different Christian denominations...

All carry the same Ten commandments.

No they don't.
http://www.biblicalheritage.org/bible%2 ... dments.htm

Are you reading what you posted? Its categorized differently, catholics,Jews, etc.

We are Christians.

Yes didn't you notice Catholic and Protestant are different?

[TheTruth101]

TheTruth101 said:

"And thus they stand divided, not as one like Christ preached. They stand divided because they rely on morals from the society they stand , and all society's laws are differents from one another."

Talking about divided there are almost 40 000 different Christian denominations...

All carry the same Ten commandments.

No they don't.
http://www.biblicalheritage.org/bible%2 ... dments.htm

Are you reading what you posted? Its categorized differently, catholics,Jews, etc.

We are Christians.

[TheTruth101]

TheTruth101 said:

"And thus they stand divided, not as one like Christ preached. They stand divided because they rely on morals from the society they stand , and all society's laws are differents from one another."

Talking about divided there are almost 40 000 different Christian denominations...

All carry the same Ten commandments.

No they don't.
http://www.biblicalheritage.org/bible%2 ... dments.htm

Are you reading what you posted? Its categorized differently, catholics,Jews, etc.

We are Christians.

Yes didn't you notice Catholic and Protestant are different?

Stop going off topic. Here you go,

Leviticus 5:17, Exodus 20:17- 22

[Nickman]

TheTruth101 said:

"And thus they stand divided, not as one like Christ preached. They stand divided because they rely on morals from the society they stand , and all society's laws are differents from one another."

Talking about divided there are almost 40 000 different Christian denominations...

All carry the same Ten commandments.

Why not the other 603? Oh yeah because they have been deemed unnecessary and immoral. What You're doing is picking and choosing your morals from the bible which tells me you have a higher morality than the bible itself. If you can decide individually what you want to follow and what you don't then you are no different from atheists who decide our own morality. We see good and we incorporate it we see bad we rebuke it. It is simple. You're not getting some higher moral standard at all, if you are picking and choosing.

Because we are not Jews. We are Christians, we are not of the old convenants. Christ made things new. Actually gentile Christians are told to obey only four, read Acts 15.

Then the ten commandments are obsolete too, by your own admission here. They of the old covenant.

[TheTruth101]

TheTruth101 said:

"And thus they stand divided, not as one like Christ preached. They stand divided because they rely on morals from the society they stand , and all society's laws are differents from one another."

Talking about divided there are almost 40 000 different Christian denominations...

All carry the same Ten commandments.

Why not the other 603? Oh yeah because they have been deemed unnecessary and immoral. What You're doing is picking and choosing your morals from the bible which tells me you have a higher morality than the bible itself. If you can decide individually what you want to follow and what you don't then you are no different from atheists who decide our own morality. We see good and we incorporate it we see bad we rebuke it. It is simple. You're not getting some higher moral standard at all, if you are picking and choosing.

Because we are not Jews. We are Christians, we are not of the old convenants. Christ made things new. Actually gentile Christians are told to obey only four, read Acts 15.

Then the ten commandments are obsolete too, by your own admission here. They of the old covenant.

The Ten commandments were also given to Moses, Christ authorized the use of the Ten commandments over the 613. Jews do not believe in Christ, that is why they are stuck with 613.

[dianaiad]

You're not understanding this Stubbornone. Atheists don't have a doctrine. We have just come to the understanding individually what is good and beneficial for society and what is not. There is no need for a book or a doctrine. We look at life and decide what is good for the whole of humanity. It is very simple.

Nick, it is not your job to decide what is good for the whole of humanity. In fact, I believe that you have just made my point for me; a theist thinks that GOD decides what is good for humanity, and you think you do.

The difference isn't all that important...until someone who thinks he has the right to decide 'what's good for humanity' without anybody else's input, gets the power to ENFORCE that opinion.

[Nickman]

TheTruth101 said:

"And thus they stand divided, not as one like Christ preached. They stand divided because they rely on morals from the society they stand , and all society's laws are differents from one another."

Talking about divided there are almost 40 000 different Christian denominations...

All carry the same Ten commandments.

Why not the other 603? Oh yeah because they have been deemed unnecessary and immoral. What You're doing is picking and choosing your morals from the bible which tells me you have a higher morality than the bible itself. If you can decide individually what you want to follow and what you don't then you are no different from atheists who decide our own morality. We see good and we incorporate it we see bad we rebuke it. It is simple. You're not getting some higher moral standard at all, if you are picking and choosing.

Because we are not Jews. We are Christians, we are not of the old convenants. Christ made things new. Actually gentile Christians are told to obey only four, read Acts 15.

Then the ten commandments are obsolete too, by your own admission here. They of the old covenant.

The Ten commandments were also given to Moses, Christ authorized the use of the Ten commandments over the 613. Jews do not believe in Christ, that is why they are stuck with 613.

Nevermind, we are getting off topic. So i am done with this part of the debate.

[stubbornone]

Are you having trouble with my thesis statement? That individual morality,the claiming of everything above while citing zero of it, is a system that is particularly vulnerable to hypocrisy resulting from rationalization.

Can you rephrase? I am having trouble understanding your thesis statement.

Indeed, do YOU think it's a good idea to claim that Christians have none of those things? Because that is essentially what Nickman is saying but utterly refusing to even acknowledge principle based morality also called the higher law in Christianity.

By things you mean? What is principle based morality? There is no higher law. There are just those evolutionary evolved qualities I listed earlier which different religions and moral systems attribute to different gods or moral teachers.

No, i am sure you are fully capable of understanding it, but the lower law and higher law are well established principles on Christian doctrine ... Doctrine written 2,000 years ago that applies to just this situation.

Now, if there is really something that you do not understand I would be happy to clarify that, but simply claiming that there is no higher law? That it has not been explained, is telling me that you are not reading what I write.

So, please review the previous posts and tell me which part doesn't make sense.

[stubbornone]

TheTruth101 said:

"And thus they stand divided, not as one like Christ preached. They stand divided because they rely on morals from the society they stand , and all society's laws are differents from one another."

Talking about divided there are almost 40 000 different Christian denominations...

All carry the same Ten commandments.

Why not the other 603? Oh yeah because they have been deemed unnecessary and immoral. What You're doing is picking and choosing your morals from the bible which tells me you have a higher morality than the bible itself. If you can decide individually what you want to follow and what you don't then you are no different from atheists who decide our own morality. We see good and we incorporate it we see bad we rebuke it. It is simple. You're not getting some higher moral standard at all, if you are picking and choosing.

No Nickman, it is you that is picking and choosing, failing once again to address the Lower Law, why it was created and with what intent, and the higher law, and how it answers your question, while hurling baseless accusations about the conduct of posters rather than engaging in a discussion.

As simple as I can state this, theologians often dismiss atheism as mere self worship, and when we see clear cases of those who cannot allow others to disagree ... Who think their opinions alone matter, we have exactly that.

Tell us why a series off off topic opinions matters in the slightest?