Christ's Crucifixion and Death

[rikuoamero]

According to Christianity, the man named Jesus Christ (believed by some Christians to be God incarnate) paid the ransom price for the rebellious sin of Adam and Eve. That with Christ's death, God is now able to forgive humanity.

I'd like to explore this. So let's picture the scene. Humanity exists in large numbers on a planet called Earth. God sends his son (or himself) in the personage of Jesus Christ, to walk and talk among crowds of Jews and Gentiles for a handful of years. Eventually, what he does annoys the orthodox Jewish priests, who arrest him, bring him before Pilate who says the priests can execute him if they want. Jesus is then taken to a hill where he is nailed to a piece of wood.

I'd like to ask Christians what exactly changes regarding God and humanity in the minute before Jesus is nailed to the cross, versus the minute after he is nailed. What changes before he takes his last breath, and after. What exactly has been done? All I can see is a man, innocent according to his supporters, being unjustly executed. In previous threads, I excoriated Christians who said they would not prevent the crucifixion and execution, who said they would be willing to benefit from it. So I'd like to ask - what exactly is happening here, in these key moments, these key seconds of time?
Did humanity change? Learn, grow? Did God?

EDIT: Please answer as though you and I are standing there in the crowd on that hill.

[Elijah John]

What if Jesus had simply died of old age, an accident or a disease? Jesus was a perfect man, he would never have died of disease, or old age. I suppose he could have died in an accident but no, Jesus had to offer his life as a willing sacrifice for the ransom to be valid.

Then why didn't Jesus go to the Temple priests, and lay himself down on the altar, in the Temple?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 41 by Elijah John]

You asked a similar question on Sunday July 24, 2016. ...Here is the answer
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 048#801048

This is the answer I posted when you asked the same question on Nov 14, 2017
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 663#893663

My answer remains unchanged now that you ask the same question today in 2019:

Jesus did offer his life at the temple, just not the one in Jerusalem. And he didnt need to go to a High Priest because he is the High Priest! Jesus didn't need to go to the Temple in Jerusalem, the Temple in Jerusalem needed to go to him!


JW



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[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 42 by JehovahsWitness]

As an aside, I have to ask the secret behind your filing system. Just how is it you are able to find and recall all these comments from different threads over different years?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 43 by rikuoamero]

My answers are indexed. It's at the end of every single post I make, did you never click on the link?

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 43 by rikuoamero]

My answers are indexed. It's at the end of every single post I make, did you never click on the link?

Your question need not have been asked. My hat is off to you for the effort you've gone to, to create and maintain this index. It's not like this site has a tag system like on Youtube videos, no this is something you've done by hand.