Why do you care if people believe your god tales?

[Zzyzx]

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Why do you care if people believe your god tales?

From a current thread:

Holding a negative view of atheists seems to be a requirement to bolster up some theologies. Holding a realistic view would cause to many cherished doctrines to crash to the ground.

"It is all a big conspiracy. The five percent (5%) who are Atheists are ganged up against we seventy percent (70%) who are Christians -- and they have a bunch of smart people and scientists on their side."

Of course, the spread of non-belief threatens the livelihood and status of preachers. But, why does it seem to so upset everyday believers? Does disbelief of others affect their own beliefs?

[Zzyzx]

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Ah, yes I forget that most people don't know that man will be the cause of their own downfall.

Reasoning people do not pretend to know the future

Yet there are people called meteorologist that do just that. There are economist that do just that. Scientist do just that.

As astute people realize, meteorologists ESTIMATE what is expected to occur. They do NOT claim knowledge of the future.

Decades ago I taught meteorology to graduate students, some of whom may have gone on to become professional meteorologists. They were NOT taught to claim knowledge – but to made evidence-based predictions within a range of possibilities.

That is why, for instance, the forecasted precipitation is typically expressed in a percentage probability – and hurricane maps are constructed with a zone of expected path. Those are acknowledged to be educated guesses based on information available.

BTW I am only paying attention to your first sentence so make it count.

Suit yourself. I couldn't care less if you read my posts or not. Those who do not fare well in reasoned debate often find creative ways to escape when their claims of knowledge don't hold up to scrutiny.

My interest is in presenting information for READERS to consider in opposition to religious propaganda.

[2timothy316]

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Ah, yes I forget that most people don't know that man will be the cause of their own downfall.

Reasoning people do not pretend to know the future

Yet there are people called meteorologist that do just that. There are economist that do just that. Scientist do just that.

As astute people realize, meteorologists ESTIMATE what is expected to occur. They do NOT claim knowledge of the future.

Yet every science book or program I have ever read or watched says the world will end. There are many ways they say this could happen, Sun turning into a Red Giant, a Gamma Ray burst and many other ways. Yet the how is not the focus as to what is predicted, but they all agree and claim to KNOW for a FACT in the future the Earth will cease to exist...
However Ecclesiastes 1:4 states: “The earth endures for ever.� So here are two things that are said to KNOW the future.

BTW I am only paying attention to your first sentence so make it count.

Suit yourself. I couldn't care less if you read my posts or not. Those who do not fare well in reasoned debate often find creative ways to escape when their claims of knowledge don't hold up to scrutiny.

Indeed...as the pot calls the kettle black. I'm just trying to struggling to keep you on the topic of the question asked. You're the one that goes off on the tangents.

My interest is in presenting information for READERS to consider in opposition to religious propaganda.

If you say so. But you brought up the propaganda answering with your own propaganda. I simply answered the thread topic. There are a bunch of strawmen in you replies.

I answered the OP question with, 'because I care about people'. Do you have anything to say to address this answer and not about 'religious propaganda' strawman pursuits?

[Divine Insight]

Yet every science book or program I have ever read or watched says the world will end. There are many ways they say this could happen, Sun turning into a Red Giant, a Gamma Ray burst and many other ways. Yet the how is not the focus as to what is predicted, but they all agree and claim to KNOW for a FACT in the future the Earth will cease to exist...
However Ecclesiastes 1:4 states: “The earth endures for ever.� So here are two things that are said to KNOW the future. ?

Yet anyone with an inkling of knowledge KNOWS that the scientific predictions will eventually come to pass.

What's the point in citing ancient folklore that makes a claim about something that is obviously false?

This is a seriously weak argument for a theist to be making for an ancient mythology.

At least the scientists have good reasons for their predictions. Clearly whoever wrote Ecclesiastes had no knowledge of anything and was simply spouting empty hot air.

[Icey]

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Why do you care if people believe your god tales?

From a current thread:

Holding a negative view of atheists seems to be a requirement to bolster up some theologies. Holding a realistic view would cause to many cherished doctrines to crash to the ground.

"It is all a big conspiracy. The five percent (5%) who are Atheists are ganged up against we seventy percent (70%) who are Christians -- and they have a bunch of smart people and scientists on their side."

Of course, the spread of non-belief threatens the livelihood and status of preachers. But, why does it seem to so upset everyday believers? Does disbelief of others affect their own beliefs?

Surely some don't care. But many do. For a small, small few, it's genuine love for others. For the vast majority it's about them having little faith and having to live vicariously (in a way) through others.
For the rest, it's about control.

[DavidLeon]

You asking my opinion?

God gave us all the choice to accept or reject him. Believe or not believe. I don't care if people believe the Bible. I think that everyone should have the opportunity to make an informed decision. If they have that then I am pleased if they reject it or accept it. Makes no difference to me.

[JehovahsWitness]

Yet anyone with an inkling of knowledge KNOWS that the scientific predictions will eventually come to pass.

You seem to be confusing the word "know" with "believe".

Nobody (without a time machine) can "know" the future since It hasn't happened yet. What we can do is come to conclusions about what we believe will happen based on the available evidence. We cannot know we have all, the relevant evidence without knowing everything there Is to know.

If anyone claims to know everything there is to know on any subject they would be effectively declaring themselves the very thing atheists don't believe exists.










JW

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[Tcg]

Nobody (without a time machine) can "know" the future since It hasn't happened yet. What we can do is come to conclusions about what we believe will happen based on the available evidence. We cannot know we have all, the relevant evidence without knowing everything there Is to know.

And yet in this post:

I was talking to my brother the other day and he put into words what I was thinking... we're seeing scripture being fulfilled before our eyes and still its hard to believe our eyes.

Stay strong, not long now!


JW

You made a clear claim of knowledge.


Tcg

[RJG]

People see what they want to see where religion is concerned, they have absolutely no supporting evidence to back up their beliefs even if they think they have.

[DavidLeon]

People see what they want to see where religion is concerned, they have absolutely no supporting evidence to back up their beliefs even if they think they have.

And yet, with evidence science still finds a need for self correction.

The Pathological Little Mindedness Of Science And Religion



Evidence At Work For You

[Zzyzx]

And yet, with evidence science still finds a need for self correction.

Exactly.

Science corrects itself as new and more accurate information becomes available. It does NOT claim to have final answers. It is a method for learning about the universe we inhabit. Notice that when errors are found (and corrected) in scientific work, it is scientists who make the discoveries and corrections -- not theologians or apologists.

A system that claims to have final answers is just tooting its horn. A system that claims answers are written in an ancient book is an exercise in self-delusion.