Undeniable and Scientific Evidence of THE Creator.

[Zzyzx]

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From another thread

I present undeniable and scientific evidence of THE Creator.

I await the evidence.

Question for debate: Is the evidence undeniable and scientific (and compelling / convincing) or is it just more of the same stuff that has been presented ad nausea?

[lamar1234]

[Replying to Thruit]

Please demonstrate how 'the earth was formless and void and the Spirit of God brooded over the surface of the deep' can in any way show that 'life always existed.'

The refutation of that statement didn't require the cracking of a single science book but a cursory glance at the first few verses in the Bible.

[arian]

This is why they are dummifying our children, making them practice witchcraft in every game out there to make them believe that there is no reasonable need for an Intelligent Creator, which includes them as future intelligent creators, since their future is all planned out by the magical un-planners, a life in a Matrix. A computer game where all they will need is a couple of Adam and Eve plants, a feather of an eagle, and some pixy dust, a few magic words and Poooff! An enchanted Ford Mustang, pin striping included.

I find it strange that you consider this silly, since your proposal has an entity that does exactly this kind of thing.

YES!!!!!!! IT IS Very Much the same concept, only mine makes perfect sense.

Only to you, Arian.

Well, .. give it some time, who knows how many will catch on? In the Days of Noah only eight souls were saved, so I'm not expecting too many, no one is willing to give up any of those plural Devine beings, .. or not far as I know. But then, .. who am I?

It is not magic,

Talking animals, prayers being answered, plagues visited upon mankind by a vengeful god, resurrection, water into wine. Nope, no magic required.

I don't see magicians make Donkeys talk, plagues come from filthy sin, resurrection was witnessed by many, the wine didn't just look like wine, they tasted it and it was the best, so they were miracles and not magic.

but laws,

Don't eat shellfish ...

Not eating shellfish don't create anything.

order,

Children born with holes in their heart, or cancer,

Those are just a few of the things that happen to poisoned children and pregnant mothers.

plan,

With a fossil record designed to trick us about the age of the universe ...

Yes, they are trying to create a fossil record of the planch epoch imbedded in thick steel; "Look, here is the proof of the Big-bang, right there in the steel-fossil.

But no, even though I show you that you are actually working with Infinity and IN Eternity, your Mind, you guys rather play with magic.

Please show us an example of someone here playing with magic.

evident throughout the subject on BB and Evolution theories.

So you want to play with magic? Then you gona hear that devil ROOAARRR! .. and devour you!

Please show evidence that devils exists.

You ever watch TV or go see a movie? How about listen to music? Internet brows; Shop for baphomet shirts on Google?

[Clownboat]

Well, .. give it some time, who knows how many will catch on? In the Days of Noah only eight souls were saved, so I'm not expecting too many, no one is willing to give up any of those plural Devine beings, .. or not far as I know. But then, .. who am I?

How much time? Remember, in the days of Humpty Dumpty, all the kings horses and all the kings men couldn't help no matter how much time they had. Therefore, I'm not confident that more time will help.

It is not magic,

Talking animals, prayers being answered, plagues visited upon mankind by a vengeful god, resurrection, water into wine. Nope, no magic required.

I don't see magicians make Donkeys talk,

I can make stuffed animals talk to my kids, and I'm not a magician. No matter, why would seeing a magician make a donkey talk mean anything to you? Perhaps you should hire a magician for a birthday party soon. One that works with animals. Why does it matter that you don't see this happening?

plagues come from filthy sin,

Sin is your burden to bare. Show that plagues come from it and then we can talk. Otherwise show that sin is more than a social concepts.

resurrection was witnessed by many,

You mean, the resurrection was claimed decades after it took place to be witnessed by many. Just like how it is claimed that dead bodies came out of their graves and walked the streets.

Arian - "I have never seen a magician make a donkey talk".
Arian - "Dead bodies can reanimate without a magician".
Where is your consistency?

the wine didn't just look like wine, they tasted it and it was the best, so they were miracles and not magic.

So much to learn don't you?
"because among Heros many contraptions designed for entertainment, he created several different trick jars and jugs that, through ingenious internal compartments, plumbing, siphons and air-holes, a magician could alternate between the pouring of water or wine from the same vessel."
http://www.ancient-origins.net/ancient- ... ugs-001852

but laws,

Don't eat shellfish ...

Not eating shellfish don't create anything.

Derp

order,

Children born with holes in their heart, or cancer,

Those are just a few of the things that happen to poisoned children and pregnant mothers.

And obviously, not "order".

plan,

With a fossil record designed to trick us about the age of the universe ...

Yes, they are trying to create a fossil record of the planch epoch imbedded in thick steel; "Look, here is the proof of the Big-bang, right there in the steel-fossil.

Complete misunderstanding is the only thing that would explain thinking that evolution could somehow prove the Big Bang.

But no, even though I show you that you are actually working with Infinity and IN Eternity, your Mind, you guys rather play with magic.

Please show us an example of someone here playing with magic.

evident throughout the subject on BB and Evolution theories.

Derp. You have shown nothing. Well, something... but not that someone here is playing with magic.

So you want to play with magic? Then you gona hear that devil ROOAARRR! .. and devour you!

Please show evidence that devils exists.

You ever watch TV or go see a movie? How about listen to music? Internet brows; Shop for baphomet shirts on Google?

Complete and utter failure to provide evidence that devils exist. I'm going to show you pictures of unicorns and the flying spaghetti monster on T-shirts and really throw your world into confusion.

[KenRU]

[Replying to post 431 by arian]

I have very little to add to Clownboat's response.

Though this response raised an eyebrow for me:

Arian: order,

Ken: Children born with holes in their heart, or cancer,

Arian: Those are just a few of the things that happen to poisoned children and pregnant mothers.

So, all children born with birth defects or diseases are the result of human's poisoning their children? All of them?

[Blastcat]

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Question for debate: Is the evidence undeniable and scientific (and compelling / convincing) or is it just more of the same stuff that has been presented ad nausea?

Any truth can be denied.

Of course, that's perfectly true. So, are you saying that you can show us the world breaking news of this scientific evidence that I am apparently in denial of?

Maybe I have been living under a rock, but I didn't see those headlines...

But that doesn't make it not true.

Quite excellent is your reasoning. And also, denial doesn't make any news TRUE. so, yeah.. about the CNN report .. about all those headlines.. ? Where is this scientific evidence that is earth shatteringly true? .. Bigger than Einstein ever did.. bigger that just about ANY news ever. So.. yeah.. were is that, exactly?

The fact that there is a creation is probable cause for a "Creator" of some sort. (AKA "THE Creator")

oh.. I see. Because we can describe the universe as a CREATION, we then can invoke a CREATOR.. clever use of words ! I guess then ANY concept that we can think of must also be true.. because if we can think it.. It's also TRUE!!!.. now why didn't I think of that?

So, I'm trying to learn here.. very important that is to me!

So, let me try to understand.. a creation means a creator.

Good. So.. we start off with a creation.. and how do we know there is a creation, why because it was created, of course!

With me so far?

Ok.. so everything was created! .. By a creator.. and how do we know that there is a creator, why because everything was created of course!

This makes perfect sense.. but wait, there's more!

And how do we know that everything was created, you so cleverly ask, you most proficient of skeptical thinkers, you?

Why because it's a creation!

So, we know that everything is a creation because it's been created by a creator who created everything.

So, I'm so sold on this.. let me try again, so much fun proving god...

I can believe in a creator because he created the creation. I know that he created a creation because he created it. And because he created it, it's a creation, DUH.. how could I have missed that before?

Now, it's a creation because it's been created, it's been created because of a creator, the creator is a creator because he created the creation and creation proves everything above.

I think I'm convinced. I only HOPE I got it right.

There is no excuse for a person who cannot accept that. (Rom:1:20:)

Oh you so sold ME..

[arian]

[Replying to post 431 by arian]

I have very little to add to Clownboat's response.

Sorry but I placed my old buddy Clownboat on 'ignore' for now, got tired of his derailing techniques that raise no intelligent questions.

Though this response raised an eyebrow for me:

Arian: order,

Ken: Children born with holes in their heart, or cancer,

Arian: Those are just a few of the things that happen to poisoned children and pregnant mothers.

So, all children born with birth defects or diseases are the result of human's poisoning their children? All of them?

Poisoning the mothers too. Remember that 'poison' comes in may forms, the first deadly one was by the serpent in the Garden of Eden; a lie, which Eve swallowed and slowly started to age and die.

The rest of the poisons just followed:

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

[arian]

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Question for debate: Is the evidence undeniable and scientific (and compelling / convincing) or is it just more of the same stuff that has been presented ad nausea?

Any truth can be denied.

Of course, that's perfectly true. So, are you saying that you can show us the world breaking news of this scientific evidence that I am apparently in denial of?

Maybe I have been living under a rock, but I didn't see those headlines...

But that doesn't make it not true.

Quite excellent is your reasoning. And also, denial doesn't make any news TRUE. so, yeah.. about the CNN report .. about all those headlines.. ? Where is this scientific evidence that is earth shatteringly true? .. Bigger than Einstein ever did.. bigger that just about ANY news ever. So.. yeah.. were is that, exactly?

Since religion took over science, where all science is interpreted by and through the Big-bang Evolution religions indoctrination, you will most likely never hear a headline "Undeniable and Scientific Evidence of THE Creator", but you still have no excuse, because the evidence is right before you!

But what you will see in the news is, .. please Google "parallel universe created at LHC"
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"Human Brain Project"
Guess what they are trying to 'create'? Something they can capture and store on disk, ... that's right, the human mind/soul that they believe don't even exist. Yet they want to capture it APART from the brain, and store it in a CHAPPiE suit or download it into a Matrix where it can (dramatized-echo) "Live, .. live, .. live, .. Forever, .. forever, .. forever!" apart from the faulty, easily damaged, deteriorating aging brain that this evil God/Creator the Bible claims created.

You see, this alone is "evidence of THE Creator". I mean let's say they create and download a human mind/soul, or 'collide a parallel universe into existence', .. when someone will ask; "Who created this mind, or this parallel universe?" who would be the 'Creator of it'??

That's right, the headlines, special interrupted News Bulletins would be going on in a 24/7 loop: "Man has created a universe, .. something that has been proven by modern science that no God could do, but man did!"

Oh yea, .. there is no Creator but the created men who believe they are evolving animals, apes, .. right? LOL.

The fact that there is a creation is probable cause for a "Creator" of some sort. (AKA "THE Creator")

oh.. I see. Because we can describe the universe as a CREATION, we then can invoke a CREATOR.. clever use of words ! I guess then ANY concept that we can think of must also be true.. because if we can think it.. It's also TRUE!!!.. now why didn't I think of that?

You just did!

So, I'm trying to learn here.. very important that is to me!

So, let me try to understand.. a creation means a creator.

Aaahh.. well yes. Unless you can show me something that man has created could pop out of nothing, with no ID, no plan, just time alone create it?
No?
Well that means that "everything that man has created" had to be Intelligently Designed. So the next big question: "Who Created the things man didn't create?"

It just is? Really? And let's see where the evidence for this comes from?

Claims: "We great scientists of the World have observed for thousands of years that everything that man has created, the billions of things, were all created by I.D. of men, and hard work, .. BUT, .. we have also observed that EVERYTHING that man DIDN'T create, .. no one has, because we seen them pop out of nothing, and over time they just create themselves. Stars, planets, water on planets, single celled bacteria, all over a very long time that popped out of nothing, just happened by chance. That's right, we have observed both, man creating man things, and the things man uses to create from, the things man didn't create, coming out of nowhere and over billions and billions of years assemble itself, .. we have proof of this, scientific proof, things popping out of nowhere, for absolutely no reason, and then we see it evolving over the billions of years!"

Okey-dokey then!

Good. So.. we start off with a creation.. and how do we know there is a creation, why because it was created, of course!

With me so far?

Ok.. so everything was created! .. By a creator.. and how do we know that there is a creator, why because everything was created of course!

This makes perfect sense.. but wait, there's more!

And how do we know that everything was created, you so cleverly ask, you most proficient of skeptical thinkers, you?

Why because it's a creation!

So, we know that everything is a creation because it's been created by a creator who created everything.

According to everything science has revealed through observing the world around us, .. Ahh yes, that would be correct.
I mean would you say that a UFO that you never seen before "must have evolved" because you can't find its creator? Get real, of course you wouldn't. So why would you say that man, with the blueprint right inside every part of him to have just evolved by an accident from nothing?

So, I'm so sold on this.. let me try again, so much fun proving god...

I can believe in a creator because he created the creation. I know that he created a creation because he created it. And because he created it, it's a creation, DUH.. how could I have missed that before?

No, .. try this way: "I see intelligent design in the cell phones, in TV's, in cars and the Blueprint of everything man makes, in bugs like a firefly, in the eye of a fly, to the makeup of a human body, to this earth, perfectly positioned from the sun, the Ozone protecting the delicate life forms on earth, the human DNA blueprint within man, this all shows Intelligent Design, and the DNA Blue-print shows it is all planned out how it makes each animal, human and plant individual, but not identical/duplicate! And since I have never seen, nor has anyone claimed to see things popping out of nothing and just creating itself, only can mean one thing; everything was created, even if we don't see them Japanese make the cars, .. most likely they too designed it like we do here in US.

Now, it's a creation because it's been created, it's been created because of a creator, the creator is a creator because he created the creation and creation proves everything above.

I think I'm convinced. I only HOPE I got it right.

Oh you got it right, alright, .. getting it right is the easy part, it's getting it wrong that's really hard. Like making people to believe that something could pop out of nothing exactly 13.75 billion years ago that's hard to convince people with.

So these religious people come up with some really laughable billions of years ago, before time existed, in a point in space before space existed and BANG! A Really BIG BANG stories and pass it off as scientific observation, which eventually created bacteria which you people are, evolving bacteria to animals, apes. Yep! Apes, .. and we are scientists who don't have to explain how we could have observed any of this billions of years ago, .. because you are animals, apes, .. ok? So just accept it, we know better OK? What would dumb animals know anyways? We've been trying to teach apes for a hundred years, even having some live with us, and some of us SCIENTIST who actually can testify that single-celled bacteria evolve into apes lived with apes, and they remained just dumb apes.

So it's not about what we have observed now, but what was actually happening billions of years ago that matters. Sure you're not going to see a chimp turn into a human, that's ridiculous. BUT, what happened billions of years ago is fact, .. because we are scientists who observe and document our observation for a living, and our best and most accurate documented observations on the Big-Bang Evolution are all billions of years old. Nothing new, or in the now to observe, that would be ridiculous since BB-Evolution always takes Billions of years to happen! Just ask anyone from our Parallel Universe and they'll tell you exactly the same thing, that BB Evolution takes billions of years, .. unless you have a LHC, .. then things can happen very fast!

[dukekenha]

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From another thread

I present undeniable and scientific evidence of THE Creator.

I await the evidence.

Question for debate: Is the evidence undeniable and scientific (and compelling / convincing) or is it just more of the same stuff that has been presented ad nausea?

One of the evidence is Law. Nature has laws and laws did not create nature, but a Creator predetermined its law.

Example : GMO - A genetically modified organism (GMO) is any organism whose genetic material has been altered using genetic engineering techniques. GMOs are the source of genetically modified foods and are also widely used in scientific research and to produce goods other than food.

Science today found out that GMO causes harmful effect to humans. It is mainly due to human intervention on changing the law that was predetermined.
http://www.responsibletechnology.org/gmo-dangers


As it was said in the scriptures:

LEVITICUS 19:19
Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle engender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woolen come upon thee.

The injunction is not to mix because of a purpose. To the best of man.

Nature is govern by laws but nature has not the capacity to formulate the law of nature. How can something that will exist, before its existence determine the law it will follow during its existence? Who ordained the laws of nature? That is a Creator who is superior in knowledge.

[KenRU]

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From another thread

I present undeniable and scientific evidence of THE Creator.

I await the evidence.

Question for debate: Is the evidence undeniable and scientific (and compelling / convincing) or is it just more of the same stuff that has been presented ad nausea?

One of the evidence is Law. Nature has laws and laws did not create nature, but a Creator predetermined its law.

Why is it perfectly reasonable for you to accept the idea that god needs no creator, but natural laws do? Other than what the holy books say, why is god exempt from this logic?

[arian]

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From another thread

I present undeniable and scientific evidence of THE Creator.

I await the evidence.

Question for debate: Is the evidence undeniable and scientific (and compelling / convincing) or is it just more of the same stuff that has been presented ad nausea?

One of the evidence is Law. Nature has laws and laws did not create nature, but a Creator predetermined its law.

Why is it perfectly reasonable for you to accept the idea that god needs no creator, but natural laws do? Other than what the holy books say, why is god exempt from this logic?

If I may, .. I have presented the evidence of our Creator as the "Infinite, Eternal Creative Mind/Spirit "I Am Who I Am", by showing that we man, who the Creator in the Bible claims have been created in our Creators Image have a mind that scientists now are trying to capture outside of the brain.

That we have a mind is proof, and that scientists are spending billions trying to capture it is another proof, both that the mind is outside of the brain, and that it is a scientific endeavor.

I have shown that our mind is both Infinite and Eternal, which can create things within (because there is nothing beside the Infinite).

I have also shown that our mind, that is the created mans mind is restricted to a physical body, yet the mind remains infinite proven by the fact that we can dream and create concepts both in size and in numbers that can go on throughout Infinity. This also proves that man (physical body with the breath of life, or spirit that gives it life) is created IN the Creators Image.

Logically a CREATOR would have to be un-created, with the ability to create anything and everything without any restrictions, which I have shown is the Mind, which is Infinite.

And I have shown that since God is the Creator Mind, our body, this earth, the universe is the product of the Mind, the Infinite, Eternal Creative Mind/Spirit.

The reason we cannot see our Creator, that Infinite and Eternal Mind is because He is Spirit, not non-existent just because we can't physically see Him. I can see you with my physical eyes, but I know you with my spiritual mind, and spiritual eyes.

And all the different scientific studies and attempts to capture the 'mind' is another proof that it is outside, or besides the brain.

All things created (which are inside the Creative Mind) exists because of laws the Creative Mind created. The created cannot break these laws because it is what gives them existence. But with God (The Infinite and Eternal Creative Mind/Spirit) all things are possible, even making donkeys talk. It's actually really easy for God to do that, just as easy as us changing our mind of a concept, or just as easy as we can imagine a donkey talk.

The problem is not that there is not enough evidence of our Creator, but that man refuses to humbly accept it.

"A Creator God doesn't exist! .. Things that we didn't create, no one has! Why assume a creator in the first place!?"

".. good, now that we made most people believe this, that an idea of a Creator is childish, dumb and even stupid, .. lets create a universe ourselves, and make man in our own image and give them eternal life in a CHAPPiE suit, or a Matrix, .. he, he, he"

The only thing undeniable here is that the proof IS scientific in its absolute meaning, but because man has Free will, and can do anything with his mind, he can also refuse the truth, or that there are absolutes, but cannot honestly deny it.

To deny the Creator, one has to deny the created, .. and that is exactly what we have in this Big-bang Evolution fairytale. The word 'created' is slowly being removed from creation and replaced with: "It just happened!" Now how it happened is replaced with stories of assumptions which could never be proven since it happened billions of years ago. Hey, .. it's not the scientists fault for not being able to live for 14 billion years and to have observed and document the Big-bang,


.. that they say, would be Gods fault.