Bible and "god" sanction killing / murder

[Zzyzx]

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In searching for a biblical quotation about killing friends and family members if they promote a “false god�, I came across an article detailing some of the killing sanctioned, encouraged or ordered by “god�.

To avoid making a LONG OP, I will quote the article in post #2.

The statements quoted, by themselves, would be enough reason for me to reject any notion of worshiping such an irrational, egocentric “god�.

Questions for debate:

1) Can anyone dispute that in the passages quoted in post #2 are from the Christian bible?

2) Can anyone dispute that, according to the passages quoted, “god� sanctioned humans killing other humans?

3) What is the justification for worshiping a “god� who promotes killing (often for egocentric reasons)?

[mich]

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In searching for a biblical quotation about killing friends and family members if they promote a “false god�, I came across an article detailing some of the killing sanctioned, encouraged or ordered by “god�.

To avoid making a LONG OP, I will quote the article in post #2.

The statements quoted, by themselves, would be enough reason for me to reject any notion of worshiping such an irrational, egocentric “god�.

Questions for debate:

1) Can anyone dispute that in the passages quoted in post #2 are from the Christian bible?

no

2) Can anyone dispute that, according to the passages quoted, “god� sanctioned humans killing other humans?

no

3) What is the justification for worshiping a “god� who promotes killing (often for egocentric reasons)?

It's the human perspective that makes you see this God as being some sort of Ogre. What is missing from the quote mining introduced is God's perspective. What is not mentioned is the parts in the scriptures where God clearly mentions "your thoughts are not my thoughts". When he said to Job "where were you when I created the heavens and earth", he was basically saying the same thing.
If God exists, then, whaterver he does as a form of punishment is looked upon differently in his eyes than from the perspective of the creature. For God, our human life having a span of under 100 years, is but a spit in the ocean. Death in the eyes of God is viewed as a transformation instead of destruction.
If the parent takes away the nintendo game from the child due to a possible concern of game addiction, in the perspective view of the child, a great part of his/her life has been taken away. As for the perspective view of the parent, it's only a game that is being taken away, and the addictive element is seen as needing to be destroyed "in order for the child to remain psychologically healthy and free".
So why does God destroy? He doesn't actually destroy; it is our act of desobediance which is the cause of destruction.Theologically speaking, it is due to the existance of a covenant to begin with; such covenant, or agreement needs to be followed, or else, the covenant is destroyed, symbolized by the destruction of the agreement, which we see as death. We notice that nomatter how often humanity destroys the covenant God remains and gives us hope in the promise that the human heart will be changed in order for humanity to be capable of honnoring the covenant. As christian, I believe this was achieved through the death of Christ.

Andre

[Zzyzx]

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It's the human perspective that makes you see this God as being some sort of Ogre.

Yes, my perspective is that of a human.

Yes, the “god� depicted in bible stories is an ogre.

What is missing from the quote mining introduced is God's perspective.

Who, exactly, is qualified and authorized to present “god’s perspective�?

Are you doing so?

What is not mentioned is the parts in the scriptures where God clearly mentions "your thoughts are not my thoughts".

Okay, who, then “speaks for god� (even if the tales are true)?

If God exists, then, whaterver he does as a form of punishment is looked upon differently in his eyes than from the perspective of the creature. For God, our human life having a span of under 100 years, is but a spit in the ocean. Death in the eyes of God is viewed as a transformation instead of destruction.

Are you speaking for “god�?

If the parent takes away the nintendo game from the child due to a possible concern of game addiction, in the perspective view of the child, a great part of his/her life has been taken away. As for the perspective view of the parent, it's only a game that is being taken away, and the addictive element is seen as needing to be destroyed "in order for the child to remain psychologically healthy and free".

Is the relationship between “god� and humans comparable to parents and children? In what ways is it different?

So why does God destroy? He doesn't actually destroy; it is our act of desobediance which is the cause of destruction.

I see. If someone points a gun at another person and demands that they do something – and if the person does not do as ordered, shoots them – then the victim was the cause of destruction. Correct?

Theologically speaking, it is due to the existance of a covenant to begin with; such covenant, or agreement needs to be followed, or else, the covenant is destroyed, symbolized by the destruction of the agreement, which we see as death.

As discussed in other threads, many of us have made no “covenant� with any “gods�. That term is defined by Merriam Webster Dictionary as: “an agreement that is usually formal, solemn, and intended as binding�. I made no such agreement with any invisible “god� and am not bound by anyone attempting to make such a binding agreement for me.

We notice that nomatter how often humanity destroys the covenant God remains and gives us hope in the promise that the human heart will be changed in order for humanity to be capable of honnoring the covenant.

I notice no indication that “god remains� or even exists – only tales told about thousands of “gods� – each “fervently believed� by worshipers – no evidence that any are real – just more tales by storytellers and religious promoters.

[mich]

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As discussed in other threads, many of us have made no “covenant� with any “gods�. That term is defined by Merriam Webster Dictionary as: “an agreement that is usually formal, solemn, and intended as binding�. I made no such agreement with any invisible “god� and am not bound by anyone attempting to make such a binding agreement for me.

Of course you need not to worry, Zzyzx...for you, God doesn't exist, so no form of covenant can exist , can it?
However, within "our" perspective, the covenant is through Jesus, so we believe that you are included within the covenant as well....I hope that your not offended by this.
Andre

[Zzyzx]

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As discussed in other threads, many of us have made no “covenant� with any “gods�. That term is defined by Merriam Webster Dictionary as: “an agreement that is usually formal, solemn, and intended as binding�. I made no such agreement with any invisible “god� and am not bound by anyone attempting to make such a binding agreement for me.

Of course you need not to worry, Zzyzx...for you,

I do not “worry� about threats concerning invisible or imaginary or fictional “supernatural beings� in “this life’ or in a hypothetical “afterlife�.

Instead, I rationally point out to readers that there is no evidence that any of the “gods� made any “covenants� with humans – or visited the planet – or even existed.

God doesn't exist, so no form of covenant can exist , can it?

IF gods don’t exist, there can be no supposed “covenant�.

Even if gods did exist, I have signed no “covenant� and made no agreement with any of them. I have not authorized anyone to act in my place, and have signed no power of attorney.

Anything supposedly done for me or in my name is FRAUD.

However, within "our" perspective, the covenant is through Jesus, so we believe that you are included within the covenant as well...

Within “your perspective�(whatever and whoever that might mean) you are free to believe whatever you like.

However, what you believe means nothing to me – and certainly does not bind me to some imaginary “covenant� with a “god� that I consider imaginary (through lack of evidence of existence).

I hope that your not offended by this.

Actually, Andre, I am a bit offended that a bunch of people who do not know me at all, and who I do not know or associate with, would attempt to include me in what I regard as a phony “agreement� they supposedly make with “gods� I consider imaginary.

I would be REALLY offended if I thought for an instant that agreements were made in my name with any real, existing being, entity or person. The present level is almost amusing.

Anyone is free to believe whatever cockamamie propaganda and wild “god tales� (or “goose tales�) they wish regarding any of the thousands of proposed “gods�; however, I demand to be left out of any “agreements� them might make – and absolutely refuse to be bound by any agreement to which I have not signed my name in person.

Thanks, but no thanks.