God vs gods

[Elijah John]

Here on this site, one often hears from non-believers statements and questions doubting the existence of "gods", plural. Not sure why that is. Why not just question God, singular? In Western culture, that would be a more relevant question.

Hardy anyone believes in "gods" anymore. Hindus and Pagans maybe. But most folks here in in the West are either Jewish, Christian of Muslim. Monotheism is predominant.
(Whether or not Trinitarians are actual Monotheists is another debate).

But this leads to an important question. Why philosohically, (excluding reasons of upbringing or cultural conditioning) do SO many in the West believe in God, singular, as opposed to "gods" plural?

What IS the case for Monotheism, as opposed to Polytheism?

(please, this is not intended to become a "prove God or gods exists", thread)

[Divine Insight]

Can ANY of this be shown / verified to be truthful and accurate (more than imagination / fiction / fantasy)?

Due to a law suite against a pet drug manufacturer that was used as a date rape drug by the coven, that drug now has a blue dye in it to prevent its use as a date rape drug.

There you go.

Clearly this so-called "coven" was nothing but a ring of criminals and thugs. They had nothing to do with spirituality. If they had any magical or divine powers they wouldn't need to resort to using drugs to cast spells on their victims.

So what you seem to have run up against was simply a gang of thugs who were using superstitious beliefs as a cover and motivation for their crimes. This would be like a story about the KKK. Does the KKK represent Christianity, or in any way valid its god?

Clearly the KKK was real, in fact it still exists to this very day, sadly enough.

We know that many "covens" exist. Some are indeed nothing more than a front for criminal activities. Some are well-meaning but misguided organizations. Some are highly spiritual and may potentially be in touch with a divine source if such a thing exists.

You can't point to the KKK and claim that this is a "Real" example that proves the existence of Yahweh simply because the KKK group actually exists. And pointing to a coven of criminals doesn't prove that any Goddess exists either. In fact, if they are using drugs to rape people then clearly they have no magic at all.

What you seem to have run across is nothing but a ring of criminals and mentally ill people. That's not evidence for anything supernatural. On the contrary it's unfortunately too common and mundane.

[Danmark]

How do you know there is only one creator god?

Because He says so and He operated directly through me to destroy the coven of a lesser 'goddess'.

"Because he says so" can never be a valid argument. Neither can "He operated directly through me to destroy the coven of a lesser 'goddess'." This is hopelessly subjective.

What exactly did you observe that convinced you you destroyed a "coven of lesser goddesses?"

How is a statement like yours distinguishable from that of someone claiming to have destroyed a coven of witches? Absent some objective confirmation both statements sound equally fantastic.

[Wootah]

[Replying to post 43 by Yahu]

How do you know there is only one creator god?

Because He says so and He operated directly through me to destroy the coven of a lesser 'goddess'. It was basically a replay of the battle between Elijah and Jezebel and her prophets of Baal in modern times. Those that survived the conflict have all repented (save 2), renounced their witchcraft and goddess and got saved because they SAW the power of Yah.

Note: Of the other 2, I have no knowledge of what happened to them. Both refused to repent but were dishonorably discharged. I have no knowledge of what happened to them after that. Those that ended up in prison either repented or died.

The coven actively tried to kill me as a representative of a rival god but they were the ones that repented or died. All I did was stand on scripture and saw its effect.

The coven's high priestess was the prime candidate to be the next worldwide high priestess of her goddess. She merged many covens together under her authority. She was a high priestess of Ashtoreth but merged in covens that followed Isis and Diana because they followed the same goddess under different names in different cultures.

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[Willum]

[Replying to post 1 by Elijah John]

Respect to "Divine Insight," that insight was divine, and I hate to dilute such a good work.

Of course we all know the god is referred to as the hosts, and "we." I recently read a post the really made these incongruities make sense: The story of Job, and of Isaac, etc., where God seems to contradict himself are made very clear if you abandon the idea that it is monotheistic, and just assume they were different gods with opposing views competing over man.

Historic justification can come from many CONJECTURES, one of course being the people who were before they were Jewish worshiped the Caanan gods, like Ba'al, etc..

[arian]

As Children of God, we have free will, otherwise we would be short of "created in Gods image", and would just do whatever purpose God has created us for, .. like animals.

Animals have free will too.

Sorry for the delayed response DI, I've been busy.
Animals have free will too? Well in that sense, so do trains. They can go anywhere on the railroad track. Or, if I take my pet mouse to work and ask it to set up my machine, if it doesn't obey me it's because it is exercising its free will, right? It just don't feel like working that day.

And besides, there is nothing innate about Free Will that would prevent anyone from being cooperative.

What exactly do you mean by; 'cooperative'? If the human animal evolved to this stage without anyone's will, not even their own, then what does cooperation really mean? How does a hungry killer lion in captivity cooperate with it's captor? Where is cooperation in 'instinct', and that's what your evolution story teaches, no will of anyone including man. This would mean just like any carnivore, if man wants to kill, he kills, right? Don't start feeling guilt now, and cooperation is a sign of guilt.

So free will is no excuse for the immoral preachings of Christianity.

That makes absolutely no sense according to your evolutionary teaching. What is this 'immoral' thing now? Is it immoral for a lion to kill and eat when his hunger drives him by instinct to do so? In your evolutionary religion it is; "Do As Thou Wilt", there is no good and evil, right and wrong, it is what it is, period.

The Angel Lucifer, AKA Satan has become proud, selfish and jealous of man, so he opposes Gods work.

And none of that has anything to do with free will.

Again, you are speaking from an Evolutionary POV correct? Yes, in that case Lucifer also acted on instinct.

All these things you have mentioned, taken to obsession, would be a sign of mental illness. Therefore all you are saying is that Satan is mentally ill. If that's the case, then God could cure his mental illness without interfering with his free will.

I never read in the Bible where Lucifer is mentally ill? Can you point that out please? or is this your judgmental opinion? But can evolving apes be judgmental?
Can judgment that is driven by instinct be just? If so, .. for whom?

Moreover, all the things you've mentions as traits of this Satan are actually also artists of this God. This God is extremely proud and demands to be "glorified" and worshiped constantly. He's also extremely selfish since he throws temper tantrums of wrath when he doesn't get his way, and finally he has already confessed to being a jealous God in his first commandment to men.

So the Biblical God is everything that you deem to be disgusting in Satan.

Well 'demand' to be glorified is a little exaggerated don't you think? More like expects to be glorified. I mean I'm sure your boss expects some respect and gratitude after providing you with work, and a good retirement plan, no?
Sure God is a jealous God, and He should be considering what He has put up with all these years. Yet he continues to provide the rain and the sunshine even on those who blaspheme His Holy name.

God is not jealous of wood and stone gods with all their silly fairytales behind them that makes them somewhat believable, God is jealous of all the time man puts in these silly worship rituals to those objects that cannot speak or do anything for them. I mean they even sacrifice their children to these worthless, lifeless gods.

The God of the Bible is every bit as lifeless and worthless as any other idol images that man has created to worship.

Have you ever heard God speak? If you have, then you are an extremely exception among men.

God our Creator worthless? Well yes if you believe that a quantum speck of gravitational wave no one has ever seen Big-banged in 'nothing' and created this awesome and complex beauty we have here before us, without a will or plan, creating chance and space it needed to expand in, all through the work of chaos and an imaginary time, .. which it also carefully created through chaos. Not that it planned to do it or anything, it "just happened", .. from 'nothing'.

You mean you can't hear God speak? I hear Him as loud as a trumpet in my ear. You must not read/watch world events much?

I'm sure you would be jealous too if you seen your children go in the back yard and give thanks to the old Oak tree for all the things 'you' have done for them.

I would never be in that position in the first place. I would never play hide-and-seek with my children to the point where I became nothing more than a silent lifeless worthless idol of mythology.

Well let's put this "hide and seek" in proper perspective, shall we?

You go out in the park to play a little hide and seek with your son, ok? You hide, and then you expect him to find you, or at least look for you .. right?
A few minutes later, and nothing. He is not even trying to find you, but now he is hiding himself!?!
"Hey son, .. where are you?" you call out to him.
"I heard you behind that tree, and became ashamed and afraid of you and hid myself because I am naked!"
"Why in the world would you be afraid of me? Who told you that you were naked, besides why would you be ashamed of your nakedness when you were always naked?"
"I did something terrible Dad, I broke the only rule you gave me."
"Oh no! Why did you do that son? You know you cannot exist without my help, without my constant supply of life giving energy? Now you will die unless you realize the consequences of your action and repent. Also, now you will really have to look to find me son. And the more insubordinate you become, the more distant I will seem to you!"
You leave him, but make sure he has everything he needs to sustain him.

Then after a while you come and visit your son and his children to see how they're doing? What do you see? They have made idols of wood and stone and you watch as they bow down to them in worship, a type of worship that you yourself never required of them! They would even cut themselves, and offer their children in sacrifices to these carved wood and rock which now they call gods.

What I'm saying is, are you sure it is not you who is hiding from God? It seems to me you continuously distance yourself from Him, convincing yourself how evil God is, and how unfair He is. Not you, just Him. If there is bad in this world, even if you yourself condone such evil, you blame God. You keep saying: "God doesn't exist", yet you continue to blame Him for every wrong we men do.
"If He is omnipotent, omnipresent He could have done this, .. or He could have done that!' But I never heard you say what you could have done, or what you are doing to change things? Oh yea, spread religious disease to make men think there is no God, and that they are nothing but animals created out of nothing by an accident.

And moreover, if I was disgusting enough to do that to my children, then I certainly wouldn't be in any position to be blaming them for giving thanks to other things since they couldn't not possible even know that I exist.

Oh please DI, you know very well that God exists. Why else would you continue year after year to spread such hateful lies like the Big-bang Evolution against your Creator? Why, .. because you really believe He doesn't exist? Come on now!?

I hold that any father who would be jealous in this situation would be a very sick man indeed.

And I feel that any father who wouldn't be jealous of the worship that his son gives to an oak tree in the back yard instead of thanking him for the daily sustenance he provides, would be a very sick man indeed.

Yeah, .. but don't forget the Big-bang Evolution religion with their high Priests like Darwin, Dawkins, Hawking and so on, they too proclaim there is no other god but Eywa (Mother Nature). Every religion wants in on the action, they all create doctrines that trumps all other religions.

Trying to make out like secular atheists worship anything is about as low as a religious apologist can stoop. All it does is demonstrate their desperation in being unable to convince others of their God delusions. In fact, I would indeed suggest that this is itself a form of jealousy.

Well, it has gone beyond jealousy my friend. I mean men making themselves believe that some quantum whatever popped out of nothing and created the universe, the earth and man without even a plan, is not worth being jealous over, it is as deep rooted evil against our loving Creator as one can get. It's as evil as Lucifer himself.

I believe it has gone beyond jealousy with God also, to a point of anger. To a point where He just want's to eradicate evil man, including the beautiful earth He created for him, and the entire universe with it with an unquenchable fire where the elements themselves melt with a fervent heat.

You are still ignoring the OP, this is about "God vs gods" NOT on; "gods vs gods and who is the best one from them all"? You haven't even touched on the 'Creator' God, you are just rambling on about religions and all their created gods.

There is no reason to believe that if there is a creator it cannot be a collection of conscious beings. There is nothing especially sacred about the idea of one God versus many.

Why should there be? What makes one lonely God any better than an infinity of Gods? In fact, a single lonely God would actually be pretty darn pathetic.

Why should there only be one God? If there can be one God, then why not infinitely many? The restriction on having just one God is probably a sign of humans need to try to keep things simple. But there would be nothing simple about a God. Restricting God to be only "One" is to put God in a small box just to make it convenient for the human mind to try to imagine.

You know very well why there can ONLY be One God, the Creator, .. because of infinite regress. The created gods are created by the created, but the CREATOR cannot be created by the created. That would be nonsensical. The Creator can only be ONE, just as there can be only ONE 'infinity', and ONE 'eternity'.

But for someone who believes that the mind is the result of the brain, then the only god or gods he can comprehend is the created ones.
As soon as someone says; 'Creator', that person instantly thinks of a created one. This is another reason why I hate religion, it fogs not only the brain, but mans mind/spirit also.

This is the epitome of religions monopoly.

See what I mean? I consider you as one of the most intelligent debaters here, but you seem so stuck on/in religion, divining those same circular insights as the Christians and all the other religions do. I would really like to hear your opinion on this Post here; "God vs gods", .. Please?

When asking why humans created monotheistic religions it's reasonable to address that issue as well.

In terms of just the pure notion of "God vs gods", neither one has the upper hand. There is no reason why one would be better, or more logical, or make more common sense than the other. If you only have one God it makes sense to ask, "Why aren't their infinitely many Gods?"

You know what Devine Insight? Until now, I thought you were just hating our Creator. That somehow you condone this evil that is running rampant in the world, but now I truly realize that you just don't see it. You are literally stuck in circular reasoning as all religions defending their ideologies, their gods. You are very religious, and even your name on the forum; "Divine Insight" wreaks of religion.

I never asked; "why humans create monotheistic religions?" I have explained about a hundred times to you that I am NOT a theist __ anything. If atheism wasn't such a hypocritical religion, I would say I am an atheist because I don't believe that any of those religiously 'created' gods are God our Creator.

The very idea that there could only be one God seems pretty strange to me. Why only one? And where did it come from? If one God can exist, then why not infinitely many?

But that's the whole thing, that there can ONLY be ONE Creator. If you think of two, then Creator is no longer the Creator, but the created, and then asking; "where did it come from?" would be a legitimate question.
Look, try reasoning this way; stop using the finite term; "why is there only one god?", and think this way: "God is One"
But who are you Lord, how could I refer to you to others?

"I Am Who I Am"

You see, there is no indication to think that God is "one from" within this description, thus no infinite regress.

Now the Son IS one from, the "greatest one" of all of Gods creations. He IS the beginning and the end, alpha and omega, from A through Z.

I don't see why there is any reason to believe that one situation should be more likely than the other. May as well flip a coin.

Exactly, if God was one from the created gods, then yes, we might as well flip a coin because none of them are the Creator, but the created.

Look, when I say "Infinity", how many infinities are you thinking of? Many right? you know why? Because infinity is confused with 'finite', like in 'infinity numbers', or this 'infinite regress'. There are no infinite numbers, nor infinite regress, but numbers that can go on through infinity, and the regress where if God was created, then who created that god, and then who created the god before that? You have to try to understand the difference DI, otherwise you will keep your mind/spirit trapped in your physical brain. Not being able to use your mind freely because of the limitation of using only what you have stored in your brain, which could be wrong, and I'm sure you agree.

The brain may say: there is no god.
The mind can then reason and ask; what if I'm thinking of a poor concept of God? What if none of the theistic gods are God?
What if all the religiously influenced people who wrote the dictionaries didn't know God the Creator either? This may be the reason why no one understood the existence of 'nothing' and are content with a story that the universe is expanding IN nothing, since nothing doesn't exist. See the problem here?

If they understood 'nothing' as truly being 'nothing', then they would understand that the universe couldn't be expanding in it. Nothing is absolute, and no thing can expand in it, or even exist in it.

In terms of religions it makes sense how religions became monotheistic. That's the only way to go if you are trying to trump your neighbors in having the ONE TRUE RELIGION. Making sure that there can only be one God is the key to winning that battle.

I don't see the Muslims 'winning the battle', can you?
I am NOT trying to make you accept MY God, I am trying hard to make you SEE YOUR God and Creator.
If you accept Allah, the benefit is Islam's.
If you get to see/understand the God who Created you, the benefit is yours. The only joy I would get out of that is sharing in your joy in having to see God for yourself and not follow and waste your time with some religion with their plural-god, or a special one-from amongst all them theistic gods. Or some religiously created story that worships the Big-bang as creator.

But in terms of any real creator(s)? Why should the creators be limited to only being one? How about you explaining that to me.

We are creators, but 'created' in our Creators image.
Now ask, who created the Creator that created ALL things, including us littler creators? You see?

Now if someone says; This egg created everything, then let's ask the prophets of the egg how this came about so we could analyze the validity of the story? And what do we have, a Catholic priest who came up with the Big-bang theory.
But did God of the Bible reveal this to him? I didn't read that anywhere in the Bible, that an egg created the universe through a Big bang from nothing?
So who divined the idea of an egg to this Catholic Priest?

And finally, this last Pope revealed this too. Pope Francis, the Christian Pope announced to the world his/their god; Lucifer, who also has a son called Jesus;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnKywDY8P9E

We know Lucifer was created, so he is out, we know an egg can't pop things out of nothing, even God didn't claim He created the universe out of nothing.
I know we were created in Gods image, and not in the image of an egg. I mean I haven't heard that anywhere, have you?
So let's analyze what the prophets of the Invisible God "I Am Who I Am" has to say, lets analyze the Bible.

It says we were created in Gods image, but that God is an invisible Spirit. To make this short, I know that my mind is spirit. The image of God in me is Gods Spirit, my mind.

My mind is infinite, and God is infinite.
My mind is eternal (not limited by time as my dying brain is).
I can relate to this and so can everyone, that is every human on the face of the earth. We can't see God, but we can know Him, with our mind/spirit. I cannot see my mind, nor can I see yours, but I can understand it, and see it that way, just as I can see God, and understand why He created us, and why He is a jealous God. I would be jealous too if my children worshipped my enemy in ways I would never want them to worship/honor me.

You should start a New OP called: "War of the gods!", but as I pointed out, this one is; "God vs gods".

I don't need to start a thread on that. The whole world is already doing that live every day real time.

Besides, what's your problem? Anytime we speak of any "god concept" it's reasonable to bring into up religion. After all, where do you ever hear of a god concept outside of religion? You don't. We don't find "god" in science, for example.

You only find gods in religions. So why should you deem it to be problematic when people illustrate why various religions created the types of Gods they did?

There are no gods outside of religion by definition. As soon as you mention a god you've automatically created a religion if you're not already referencing an established one.

Yes I agree that we find gods in religion, and men go to these religious churches in search of god or gods. As I said many times, you will never find God our Creator, the Creator of Everything including us in His image in any religiously built and organized church. As I have shown you, Christians worship Lucifer (as announced by the Pope) or the plural demon Legion as god. The Muslims have their own god, the Buddhists, the BB Evolutionists worship religious doctrines as their god, the Hindus worship anything and everything created as their gods.

But for me and my house, we worship the One Infinite and Eternal Creative Mind I Am Who I Am as God and Creator of all that exists in Heaven and this universe. I can introduce Him to you or anyone since we were created in His image.

Our Creator is NOT 'a god or gods', .. one of the theistic religiously created gods that just happens to be chosen to be the creator of the universe. God IS God, the Creator, not of the created. He IS, as in "I Am" as He told Prophet Moses.

And now you're preaching religion.

If defining our Creator is religion, then what would you call the religions who define their own gods?
If anything, I am religious about proclaiming the truth, through science and philosophy. By using examples, examining definitions defined by religiously indoctrinated minds, and even make myself a fool in hopes of making you see the truth.

If Pantheism is not the worst and most confusing concept of God I have ever heard, I don't know what is?

If you don't understand pantheism then you'd do everyone a favor by not discussing it.

Especially not in terms of proclaiming what it must be after you just confessed that to you it's the most confusing concept of God you ever heard.

Miriam Webster - Pantheism:
1. a doctrine that equates God with the forces and laws of the universe.
2. : the worship of all gods of different creeds, cults, or peoples indifferently

Wow, that is the most deviously concocted untrue description of Jesus: "he also desperately needs your loyalty and vow of servitude to obey his every command without question" I have heard yet.

I didn't mention Jesus at all. I was talking about the Biblical God in general. But I can understand why you might think I was referring to Jesus specifically.

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The rest of your post appears to be in agreement with what I have said about how the Abrahamic religions are killing each other in the name of their jealous God(s), so there's no much sense in commenting further on that issue.

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Thank you Divine Insight.

[Danmark]

Here on this site, one often hears from non-believers statements and questions doubting the existence of "gods", plural. Not sure why that is. Why not just question God, singular? In Western culture, that would be a more relevant question.

Hardy anyone believes in "gods" anymore. Hindus and Pagans maybe. But most folks here in in the West are either Jewish, Christian of Muslim. Monotheism is predominant.
(Whether or not Trinitarians are actual Monotheists is another debate).

Exactly, Trinitarians are not monotheists. There is something odd about monotheism; it's as if the forces to believe in 'gods' instead of one 'God' are just too strong. Even some who claimed to believe in only one God [orthodox Christians], quickly found a work around: the 'trinity' which equals 3 gods along with the contradiction that "3 = 1."

Plus, of course they have to throw in the Devil, demons, angels, not to mention "powers and principalities." For some reason I do not understand, humans seem to have some compulsion to return to paganism and a multiplicity of 'gods.'

Of course, I have to grant that for some, their belief in scripture as perfect caused them all kinds of internal stress so they felt compelled to come up with this 'Trinity' business. There seems to be no end of illogic and contradiction some who are religious are prepared to swallow.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 56 by Danmark]

Exhibit A, the signature verse I have posted from Thomas Paine. I think he gives the most PRACTICAL argument to favor strict Monotheism, and against Trinitarianism.

And if the statement is an argument against the Trinity, how much MORE an argument against any pagan pantheons, and mutiplicity of gods. If a Trinity has the effect of dividing one's devotion by 3, pagan polytheism divides it ad infinitium.

It is interesting that Thomas Paine has also stated that he believed (perhaps intuitively) that the ORIGNAL faith of mankind was simple, Deistic Monotheism...it is only later according to Paine that humans felt compelled to add pantheons. And I agree, the doctrine of the Trinity, and that of angels and devils etc, are part of that human tendency for elaboration and a return ultimately to Polytheism. I would add the elevation of Mary and the Saints to that polytheistic tendency, in spite of RCC protestations that the latter are not "worshiped".

[Danmark]

[Replying to post 56 by Danmark]

Exhibit A, the signature verse I have posted from Thomas Paine. I think he gives the most PRACTICAL argument to favor strict Monotheism, and against Trinitarianism.

And if the statement is an argument against the Trinity, how much MORE an argument against any pagan pantheons, and mutiplicity of gods. If a Trinity has the effect of dividing one's devotion by 3, pagan polytheism divides it ad infinitium.

It is interesting that Thomas Paine has also stated that he believed (perhaps intuitively) that the ORIGNAL faith of mankind was simple, Deistic Monotheism...it is only later according to Paine that humans felt compelled to add pantheons. And I agree, the doctrine of the Trinity, and that of angels and devils etc, are part of that human tendency for elaboration and a return ultimately to Polytheism. I would add the elevation of Mary and the Saints to that polytheistic tendency, in spite of RCC protestations that the latter are not "worshiped".

I don't see signatures, but I don't know that Paine had any evidence that monotheism, the Deistic version or otherwise, predated monotheism.
In any event, I don't see a compelling reason to favor monotheism over a host of Gods.
Once one is open to the idea of a being he can't see, and can't define; a being that may 'live' only in a person's mind, what difference does it make whether there is one or millions? If I believe in goblins, why not fairies? I think the only safe course, the only course that prevents us from believing in all manner of foolishness and speculative non sense, is to believe in nothing without objective evidence.

Furthermore, I see no compelling need to believe in a God or gods. Granted that life is a wonder and a mystery, but I see no advantage in putting an unfounded label on it and calling it 'God.' I do, however, see a disadvantage:

By calling the unknown 'God' we pretend we have an answer, when all we have is a label.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 58 by Danmark]

This is in my signature:

"The notion of a Trinity of Gods has enfeebled the belief of one God. A multiplication of belief acts as a division of belief; and in proportion as anything is divided, it is weakened." -Thomas Paine

That's the quote I was referring to from Paine's book "Age of Reason".

Thomas Paine intuits the hyposthesis that simple, Monotheistic Deism was mankind's original religion, but you are correct, he does not provide evidence for that assumption.

He does, however, cite Creation as evidence for a Creator. And works from there. He has a simple view of religion, and rejects most of the Bible, as well as the doctrine's of Pauline and Johannine Christianity. Paine values Reason and evidence, but has different starting assumptions than non-Theists do.

The quote I cite is his practical, not theoretical evidence for Monotheism over Trinitarianism or Polytheism. He judges the effects of the competing beliefs, not necessarily the causes.

He makes sense to me as far as he goes, but I tend to accept more of the Bible than he does...(though not as much as the modern Church or Fundamentalists).

Part of the purpose for this thread is my wish to explore the rational basis for Monotheism over Trinitarianism or Polytheism...Not Theism over Atheism, I'm not looking to have that conversation.

[Divine Insight]

[Replying to post 55 by arian]

I don't see where you had anything constructive to say. All you did was preach and act like you could introduce me to God.

The last thing I need on these debate forums is evangelical arrogance.

By the way, a purely independent secular study suggests that Islam is winning the religious propagation wars and will win out over Christianity. So when you asked if I though Islam was "winning" I have to say that unfortunately it is. Although I'm not sure if it would be any better if Christianity was winning. It's a shame that these kinds of petty mythological warfare is going on in the modern world at all.

I think think Christians would do well to take a stand against the whole Abrahamic shebang and reject Christianity along with Islam. But it doesn't appear that they will. Instead, they will most likely just continue with the religious wars until those finally lose those. Islam appear to be gaining on Christianity in a major way. Especially in the Eastern Hemisphere of the world. The USA will no doubt be the last Christian hold out. But even within the USA Islam is growing rapidly.