Atheism is pantheism

[EarthScienceguy]

Since atheist believe that "nature found a way" (to put it in Jurassic Park terms) to produce life against all odds. Belief that nature created life is pantheism. So, doesn't that make all atheist pantheist?

[William]

[Replying to post 50 by benchwarmer]

Yes, these are beliefs, but are not consistent with the logic given by ESG.

I am not reading what ESG writes, so am not arguing whether ESG's logic is inconsistent - having already secured my comments about that in posts#2&#10.

My comment was to do with the Timelessness vs infinite regress argument

Why can't the energy which makes up the current universe be regarded as having always existed in some form or other?

As a Panentheist, I have no issue with that idea. A Panentheist regards the universe as ever changing - and thus impermanent in relation to form and function.

In the link I provided in my last post, there is another link on the list of links to do with the subject;

♦Are we moving from "Timelessness vs infinite regress argument" to "The universe has always existed" argument?

Panentheism has that argument covered as well.

At least we have observable evidence regarding our universe and the energy it is made up of. Gods? Not so much.

The problem of Consciousness, yes.

A literary device clung to by apologists to fill the gaps of knowledge.

Perhaps - perhaps not. I say "perhaps not" because I am a Panentheist. You say whatever you do because you are a non-theist. Apparently an "Agnostic" but your comment appears to show that you have your mind made up, rather than remaining in the position of "one who does not know - either way."

I prefer to keep 'em honest...

[Zzyzx]

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Correction: An Atheist (or Non-Theist, Non-Believer) is entitled to have no opinion regarding the origin of the universe or beginning of life.

But that is an inconsistent statement. Atheist believe that God did not create the universe.

CORRECTION:
An Atheist is NOT compelled to have an opinion concerning origin of the universe.

Therefore they do believe something about the origin of the universe. There are only two options (really only one) but for argument sake we will say two. Either universe was made by natural means or it was made by an entity. Atheist do not believe in entities outside of the universe so that means that they have to believe that the universe was made by natural means.

CORRECTION:
Read above ‘not compelled to have an opinion’

I, a Non-Theist, have NO opinion regarding if, when, how, or by ‘whom’ the universe came into existence. You (generic term) are NOT entitled to invent a position for me (or anyone else).

WHAT it the point in trying to shoehorn people into expressing or accepting a position?

Those who claim that a ‘god’ DID create the universe have the burden of providing verifiable evidence the claim is true. Citing ancient tales and mythology is NOT adequate in reasoned debate.

It really does not matter what an atheist may express his opinion as. His belief that there is no such thing as God forces the atheist in a naturalistic belief system or theology.

CORRECTION:

Detractors might be well advised to attempt to comprehend that ‘without belief in gods’ (Atheism) says NOTHING about what a person does believe -- and no one is entitled to tell Atheists what they 'must' believe.

Kapish?