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DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
Thank you for a religious perspective on these matters
There's such a thin line between sarcasm and irony, don't you think?
My statement is neither sarcasm nor irony. I truly appreciate Theists providing readers with religious perspectives (the more irrational and emotional the better) – to be evaluated in comparison to non-religious perspectives.
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
The answers I speak of are those that produce modern medicine, electronic communication, advanced transportation systems, efficient food production and distribution – and answers that put spacecraft into orbit or beyond.
Excuse me, sir, if I fail to see the reasoning.
What part is difficult to understand about: science provided the information upon which are based modern medicine, electronic communication, advanced transportation systems, efficient food production and distribution?
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
These aren't theological answers but theists have participated in them equally if not more than non-theists.
The answers referred to are scientific answers. It matters not if a person doing scientific studies believes in gods.
Belief in / worshiping gods does not produce modern medicine, etc.
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
Those who attempt to demean science belie their sincerity by taking advantage of all the benefits it proves, while bad-mouthing science when it conflicts with their beliefs in imaginary supernatural entities.
And those who attempt to do the same with theism?
The 'they did it too' defense doesn't even work in school recess.
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Was it not the Muslims who preserved knowledge and culture? What part did theism play in the founding of science and higher education?
Theists and theism deserve SOME credit – So what?
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
At the very least the universe that atheists inhabit is so intensely conditioned by mythological presuppositions that they take for granted the ethic that emerges out of that as if it's just a given.
Jordan Peterson. Science can't test the supernatural.
Agree that science cannot test the PROPOSED supernatural – or claims that invisible, undetectable, proposed supernatural entities did ANYTHING.
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
Quite an emotional rant.
It only appears to be. This is like a rehearsal. A dance rehearsal.
I agree with the emotional rant being a dance.
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
“Goddidit”
That arguably leaves out Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism, Scientology, Shintoism and Taoism. Can you refute the answer and if so, how?
If promoters of Buddhism, Confucianism, Hinduism, Scientology, Shintoism and Taoism object, I will take their concerns under consideration.
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
Of course not. Thousands of 'gods' descended on Earth and whispered in the ears of men telling them all sorts of secrets. Encountering women they impregnated them and produced giants.
I see. And the answers you supply with your self proclaimed - sorry - self correcting wisdom is a suitable alternative? Wait a minute . . . you don't have one do you? Nephilim? Panspermia?
Argument from Ignorance – Argumentum ad Ignorantiam – The assumption of a conclusion or fact based primarily on lack of evidence to the contrary.
Common erroneous 'argument' presented by novice debaters, particularly when attempting to defend Bible tales.
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
No, no, no. We aren't talking about how life began. You have no answer for that, do you.
That is correct. I do not pretend to know how life began. Do you?
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
A possible alternative to your answer might be that Jehovah created Adam in 4026 BCE.
Interesting speculation. Based on what verifiable evidence?
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
The flood takes place from 2370 - 2390.
Finally, an exact date of the mythical flood. How can this be verified?
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Noah's grandson was Nimrod (aka the Sumerian king Dumuzi, aka Tammuz). The symbol of Tammuz was the mystic Tau, a cross. (Ezekiel 8) A fertility symbol representing the male genitalia.
How, exactly, is all that related to the thread topic “Why do you care if people believe your god tales"?
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
He founded several cities in the land of Shinar, including Accad, Calneh, Erech and most significantly, Babel (Babylon). Peleg (2269-2030 BCE) who lived in the days the earth was divided (Genesis 10:25; 1 Chronicles 1:19) i.e.,
How, exactly, is all that an 'alternative to [my] answer?
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
when Nimrod built the tower in Babel thinking he could avoid the next flood, should there be one, which caused the people to gather in one place when Jehovah wanted them to scatter throughout the Earth. So, he confused their language and they scattered, taking their stories of giants, crosses, Ziggurats, and floods with them.
Oh, 'Jehovah' confused languages? Did humans have only one language until the Babel incident?
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Moses didn't complete the book of Genesis until 1513 BCE which leaves 850 years for those stories to be embellished and spread throughout the globe with alarming similarities. I hope I got that right. I suck at math, but you get the picture.
OH? Do you claim to know that Moses wrote the book of Genesis? And to know when it was completed?
Kindly provide verifiable evidence to support such claims of knowledge.
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
Since the 'gods' evidently can't get their story straight, the tell different versions to different men – who then go about proselytizing their version, condemning competing 'gods' and religions, fighting over who has the best 'god' and the best palaces of worship and the best rituals.
Then all of those chemical, biological and nuclear weapons of mass destruction science has created might prove to be useful someday, huh?
What the heck do weapons have to do with gods whispering in ears?
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
Yes, religions have no objection to inventing answers. Hurricanes are produced by homosexuality, for example.
As a homosexual who abandoned the practice due to his Bible beliefs I can tell you that homosexuality doesn't produce hurricanes. But now
spontaneous generation, well, that's another story.
As a heterosexual who has studied and taught meteorology, I regard hurricanes as products of atmospheric conditions and circulation.
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
Correction: Science provides answers to the extent of its knowledge and ability. The Earth is spherical not flat, it rotates, it revolves around the Sun. Water changes from liquid to gas in a process known as evaporation. Later the gas may change back to liquid and fall as what is known as precipitation. Storms, droughts, and floods are normal / expected atmospheric processes.
Right. Discovered by
Eratosthenes, a theist,
Copernicus, Lutheran, and
Wallerius, a theologian.
If a mechanic repairs a car, does theism get credit is he claims to be Christian? OR is he functioning as a mechanic when he does the repair?
If an engineer designs a bridge, does Atheism get credit if he identifies as an Atheist?
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
Correction: Religion has THE answer – “Goddidit”
Which God?
The Bible God, of course. Didn't 'he' create everything (according to the tales)?
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
And you don't have an alternative. So it's the only answer we know.
That is classic argument from ignorance – Argumentum ad Ignorantiam – The assumption of a conclusion or fact based primarily on lack of evidence to the contrary.
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
Agree that religion has demonstrated ability to be destructive.
However, religion does NOT threaten anything about science – except when it is a theocracy. Religion does attempt to discredit science that casts doubt upon religious claims and tales.
By competing with it? Otherwise how so?
Christianity has quite a history of anti-science actions. Remember Galileo?
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
People who 'hate science' may have slept through science classes – but they still seek care from modern scientific medicine when seriously ill or injured. They also use modern communication and transportation (brought to you courtesy of science)
Mostly theists.
Read above about a mechanic and an engineer.
Ideology does not get credit for accomplishments just because an involved person happens to subscribe to the given ideology. The mechanic is functioning as a mechanic. His religious beliefs have nothing to do with repair of a vehicle.
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
Interesting religious perspective. “Science is distraction” – distraction from what? From worshiping 'gods'?
Oh, no. Science has it's gods, they just don't fully understand the basic concept of gods.
By all means, share your understanding with scientists who have inferior understanding of god concepts. Perhaps publishing in a well-known scientific journal would reach them.
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
Interesting. Thousands of researchers worldwide are not currently looking for answers regarding Covid-19. They are hiding from answers. Yup, just a great worldwide conspiracy to keep truth from being known.
You might be interested in the work of
Shi Zhengli
Is Ms Zhengli part of the worldwide conspiracy to hide answers – along with all the thousands of biologists researching the virus?
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
As long as you have THE answer (“Goddidit”) there is no need to ask questions or seek answers. If you are seriously ill or injured just pray that a 'god' will heal you.
Sounds quite appropriate – for thousands of years ago.
No, I wouldn't pray that a 'god' would heal me if the God in question cursed me with sickness and death. That would be stupid.
I agree with 'That would be stupid'. I do not agree that 'god' curses people with sickness and death. That has not been shown to be anything more than imagination. However, feel free to provide verifiable evidence to implicate gods.
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
So long as that were under effect, but I do look forward to when Jehovah God can tell me how he created the earth instead of some mad scientist in a lab coat who could never actually imagine how.
Lots of luck on that. Let us know how it turns out.
DavidLeon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 06, 2020 12:09 am
Zzyzx wrote: ↑Fri Jun 05, 2020 7:42 pm
Your rant might go over well in Holy Huddle or in some fundamentalist churches.
Yeah, not unlike science minded atheists, theists don't care to be criticized or questioned, so they don't care much for me. The two actually have a great deal more in common than they like to admit.
Condolences on any feeling of rejection.
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Non-Theist
ANY of the thousands of "gods" proposed, imagined, worshiped, loved, feared, and/or fought over by humans MAY exist -- awaiting verifiable evidence