Paul Never Existed

[The Nice Centurion]

Additionally we got a good possibility that Paul never existed!

Yeah, sure.

Go with that.

Question for debate:

Is that true ?

What are the pro & contra ?

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...as atheism made Such a difference to my Life. Clarifying reason - based ethics beyond pick and mix rule...

Allegedly atheism is only lack of belief, no doctrine, nothing else, so how can it bring anything else than emptiness to anyone's life? Be reasonable.

I'm glad to not be a Christian but doubly glad not to be a fundamentalist Christian, as one only infect the brain like a virus; the latter takes it over like a poison.

I said before that Religious apologetics are like cult - think, like UFO apologists used the same kind of faithbassed logic; dismissal of science as a conspiracy, inversion of burden of proof, a grab - bag full of 'disprove this, then' which science has to prove or admit that the Cultfaith is real.

That reminds me of this scripture:

Therefore you are without excuse, O man, whoever you are who judge. For in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself. For you who judge practice the same things.
Romans 2:1

...And I need hardly point out that there is another crazy cult going on and more dangerous than any before, the Maga cult

How it is dangerous? By not trying to end freedom of speech like Biden's regime has tried to do?

But, I think that is not totally bad comment. I hope Trump supporters avoid fanaticism. There are signs of that and it is disturbing.

...to debunk climate change.

Has car industry hijacked your count to preach the message of climate cult, in attempt to make people to buy more electric cars so that the weather would be gooder?

And that led to Maga and Covid denial and now a totally messed up Maga support for Putin (because Trump owed shim and Putin has naughty videos of him

How do you know Putin has those videos?

because communism is still a dirty word (like Fascist) ...

Communism and fascism are essentially the same, no meaningful difference.

Atheism is a lack of belief, and no doctrine, Church or Holy book, correct. But it is a subset of rant... I mean rationalism, so it has the basics of reason and evidence, and while doing an online apprenticeship of atheist apologetics with Cliff walker (q.v) I clued up on rational thinking and elucidation of evidence, which actually helped me in my job of sorting out complicated cases in order and presenting arguments against some of the trickiest lawyer -types you ever saw, and which would have to stand up to the High court or house of lords. I owe atheism a lot, as well as sorting out a lot of those bothersome moral and existential problems that people do seem to spend so much time fretting about.

Who am I to judge? Who is anybody? Who are you? We all judge, for ourselves; we may take advice from others (not Paul, thank you very much, the man wasn't even honest to himself, let alone anyone else) and of course, we judge whether on evidence, there is a god or not and if so which one. Aren't you judging when you do your scriptural interpretations?

I'm no expert on the car industry but I know out bus service is half petrol, half electric. I suspect electric will continue to have more automotive impact and the fossil fuel industries will have to adjust, despite them fighting for it just as the confederacy fought for slavery, even when they knew it would not continue for ever.

Of course, I don't know for certain, but I 'judge' that Putin's KGB training had him supply the mucky - minded Trump with what he wanted and he had cameras installed. It would explain why Trump does everything Putin wants and clearly intends to keep doing it if he gets elected again.

My Friend, we totally agree that as sure as Finland has Russia occupying the land it grabbed after the winter war, Politics is not a line with Communism at one end and fascism at the other, but a circle with Liberality at the bottom and the extreme Left and extreme Right meeting and even becoming one at the top. I saw this in Burma, when pursuing Mrs me until she caught me, when the Socialist republic swapped cap badges and became essentially the Fascist dictatorship that overthrew democracy the other year.

Extreme left or Right, one party dictatorship is the Doctrine, whether in N Korea or maga, and you may ponder Putin's chummy visit to N Korea recently. These are the people who Trump wants to get into bed with as well as Russian watersports artists.

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....Aren't you judging when you do your scriptural interpretations?

I don't think I make my own interpretations, I think I read the Bible as it explains itself.

...It would explain why Trump does everything Putin wants and clearly intends to keep doing it if he gets elected again...

Can you give one example of what Trump does what Putin also wants?

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....Aren't you judging when you do your scriptural interpretations?

I don't think I make my own interpretations, I think I read the Bible as it explains itself.

...It would explain why Trump does everything Putin wants and clearly intends to keep doing it if he gets elected again...

Can you give one example of what Trump does what Putin also wants?

I am sure you make your own interpretation, and the pont is they differ from Mainstream church dogma, even if your interpretations have merit.

I reckon that Trump's pull out of the Middle east and Afghanistan (oh yes, it was Trump t who did a deal with the Taliban, not Biden) was because that suited Putin who supported Assad and now Iran .Trump has made it clear that he will not support Ukraine or even Nato, and that is what Putin wants not what US policy needs. Maga dogma is not that Putin in the good guy, his Ukranian land grab is perfectly justified.
Don't ask me how the Maga crazies hear Trump rail against China but is supporting Putin who is being supplied with weapons by China, North Korea and Iran. Maga is on the side of the dictators, led n by Putin. Explain to me how the USA chanting Maga nuts have fount d themselves in that position, how it makes sense or why any American should ever vote for trump, just on that basis, never mind he a grifter, a liar and a criminal.

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I reckon that Trump's pull out of the Middle east and Afghanistan (oh yes, it was Trump t who did a deal with the Taliban, not Biden) was because that suited Putin who supported Assad and now Iran .Trump has made it clear that he will not support Ukraine or even Nato, and that is what Putin wants not what US policy needs. Maga dogma is not that Putin in the good guy, his Ukranian land grab is perfectly justified.
Don't ask me how the Maga crazies hear Trump rail against China but is supporting Putin who is being supplied with weapons by China, North Korea and Iran. Maga is on the side of the dictators, led n by Putin. Explain to me how the USA chanting Maga nuts have fount d themselves in that position, how it makes sense or why any American should ever vote for trump, just on that basis, never mind he a grifter, a liar and a criminal.

And you think U.S should have remained in Afghanistan? Why? I think it was right to get out, and it would be best, if U.S. would focus to improve life in their own area and not waste insane amounts of money to war industry.

And about supporting Ukraine, I don't think it really benefits Ukraine in any way to make the war continue. And if war is the way you want, it would be good to at least have some intelligent strategy and goal. Now they are just wasting human life, which apparently is what "democrats" really love. I think best solution for the war would be to let the people vote, do they want to be Ukraine, EU, NATO or Russia. And it is interesting that both sides claim they are for democracy, but still the people are not allowed to vote how they would like to live.

By what I see, Ukraine could have easily avoided this, but war was what they wanted. And that is very sad. And it may be that they lose all their country, if they don't become reasonable. But is it just? Maybe war is always just, people die equally in it.

Funny thing is that by Biden's own words, he is also a dictator. No wonder if you supported him.

But, now i have to tie this back to the topic, which is Paul who allegedly never existed. Maybe it would have been better, if he would not have existed, because he said:

Let every soul be in subjection to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those who exist are ordained by God.
Romans 13:1

That may be one reason why the rulers of this world get common people to fight idiotic wars for the rich people. Obviously the matter is not as simple as that single line. But unfortunately many twist words for their evil purposes wishing people stay ignorant. However, this leads to question, if Paul never existed, why would people attribute words to him?

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I reckon that Trump's pull out of the Middle east and Afghanistan (oh yes, it was Trump t who did a deal with the Taliban, not Biden) was because that suited Putin who supported Assad and now Iran .Trump has made it clear that he will not support Ukraine or even Nato, and that is what Putin wants not what US policy needs. Maga dogma is not that Putin in the good guy, his Ukranian land grab is perfectly justified.
Don't ask me how the Maga crazies hear Trump rail against China but is supporting Putin who is being supplied with weapons by China, North Korea and Iran. Maga is on the side of the dictators, led n by Putin. Explain to me how the USA chanting Maga nuts have fount d themselves in that position, how it makes sense or why any American should ever vote for trump, just on that basis, never mind he a grifter, a liar and a criminal.

And you think U.S should have remained in Afghanistan? Why? I think it was right to get out, and it would be best, if U.S. would focus to improve life in their own area and not waste insane amounts of money to war industry.

And about supporting Ukraine, I don't think it really benefits Ukraine in any way to make the war continue. And if war is the way you want, it would be good to at least have some intelligent strategy and goal. Now they are just wasting human life, which apparently is what "democrats" really love. I think best solution for the war would be to let the people vote, do they want to be Ukraine, EU, NATO or Russia. And it is interesting that both sides claim they are for democracy, but still the people are not allowed to vote how they would like to live.

By what I see, Ukraine could have easily avoided this, but war was what they wanted. And that is very sad. And it may be that they lose all their country, if they don't become reasonable. But is it just? Maybe war is always just, people die equally in it.

Funny thing is that by Biden's own words, he is also a dictator. No wonder if you supported him.

But, now i have to tie this back to the topic, which is Paul who allegedly never existed. Maybe it would have been better, if he would not have existed, because he said:

Let every soul be in subjection to the higher authorities, for there is no authority except from God, and those who exist are ordained by God.
Romans 13:1

That may be one reason why the rulers of this world get common people to fight idiotic wars for the rich people. Obviously the matter is not as simple as that single line. But unfortunately many twist words for their evil purposes wishing people stay ignorant. However, this leads to question, if Paul never existed, why would people attribute words to him?

Garbage, as usual. And irrelevant...or no, because you point to an example of Paul's thinking which you don't agree with. But he is the one who invented Christianity. Or, if you dismiss Paul and rely on the gospels, I can debunk that, despite your denial, and show it has to be written by Paulinist Christians.

And now to our political update, so long as we can get away with it and it is relevant as religion and politics is two sides of the same coin, and Christian fundamentalism and Maga republicanism are two sides of the same three dollar piece.

Oh, yes, like the Ghost Bible, the exuser of aggression, making the victim of invasion out to be the one causing all the death and destruction, for not just letting the invader take whatever they want.

"They took Ukraine, and I said nothing, because I was not Ukraniam"
"Then they took the Baltic states, and I said nothing because I was Finnish"
"Then they came for Finland, and there was nobody left to speak up for me".

The heroic resistance of the Finns in the winter war was all their fault and violent destruction, doing it to their own people, when they should simply have let Russia walk in. Is that the way you see it?

Afghanistan - if you even understood it rather than excuses and dismissal i wouldn't have to respond. That was Bush, using 9./11 as his crusade against world terrorism, "The axle of elvis" as he w saw it. And he has a point as Afghanistan was hosting Al-Quaida. The Iraq war was far less justified, even though it got rid of Saddam.

But the point is that, whether one agrees with the invasion of Afghanistan or the pull out, it was negotiated by Trump as he negotiated pull - outs everywhere and we can save the adult actress jokes. Trump negotiated the surrenders and say what you like it gave Putin a free hand.

And to round off the update, a cloud has lifted, with Biden dropping out. The fear was that Harris is not liked. But I think she could go on the attack and say what Biden couldn't get across - that the Republican candidate is a grifter, a liar and a criminal. And wannabe dictator, not Biden as you claim without a shred of evidence. She might just do, as it became increasingly evident, Biden wouldn't.

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Garbage, as usual. And irrelevant...or no, because you point to an example of Paul's thinking which you don't agree with.

I agree with Paul, I just think understanding him needs more than one line from the Bible.

But he is the one who invented Christianity.

That is very weird claim. A Christian is a disciple of Jesus. And person is a disciple of Jesus, when he remains in the word of Jesus. It would be irrational to claim Paul is the inventor.

…The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.
Acts 11:26
Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
John 8:31-32

I think Paul is a good teacher, whoever, he is just another disciple of Jesus, not the king.

The heroic resistance of the Finns in the winter war was all their fault and violent destruction, doing it to their own people, when they should simply have let Russia walk in. Is that the way you see it?

Nice that you know some history.

I think all nations have right to defend themselves, also Ukrainians. However, Ukraine had chance to avoid the war and they didn’t accept it. I think that was stupid and now it is difficult to feel bad for them, because this seem to be what they wanted. But I am sorry for the common Ukrainians who are only like pawns for the world leaders playing their war games to enrich themselves, without caring at all about the people they send to be killed.

One of the big mistakes that I think Ukraine did was that they begun to kill Eastern Ukraine people before Russia got involved. It was incredibly stupid/evil, if they didn’t want to have war with Russia and get even more Ukrainians killed.

Afghanistan - if you even understood it rather than excuses and dismissal i wouldn't have to respond. That was Bush, using 9./11 as his crusade against world terrorism, "The axle of elvis" as he w saw it. And he has a point as Afghanistan was hosting Al-Quaida. The Iraq war was far less justified, even though it got rid of Saddam.

I think all of U.S. interventions in other countries are basically the same as what Russia is doing now in Ukraine. And in my opinion countries should not send their military in other countries. And I am especially disappointed to U.S. for I think it should be better, because it markets itself as the land of the free and has probably the best constitution in the world.

Obviously, it may be true that some country does evil things for its own people, as also it seems to be in the case of Ukraine. I have no means to check is it true. But, even if it would b e so, the correct solution for Ukraine or U.S. is not to involve in war, but to offer for example asylum for those who are persecuted in their own country.

But the point is that, whether one agrees with the invasion of Afghanistan or the pull out, it was negotiated by Trump as he negotiated pull - outs everywhere and we can save the adult actress jokes. Trump negotiated the surrenders and say what you like it gave Putin a free hand.

U.S. gave Russia free hand by acting like evil tyrant all around the world. Difficult to be a moralist, when own hands are covered with Libyan, Syrian, Iraq… blood. It is interesting that Biden seems to think the withdrawal was his merit. In any case, I think it was right thing to do. It would be better, if U.S. would focus on making America great again. And it would be good to understand, the greatness of America is not the military and wars, but the freedom it offered. If in some other nation there are oppressed people, who think about the freedom the same ways as the founders of U.S., I think it would be better to let them in America and let the evil nations wallow in their own filth and not try to force them to be something else. By forcing others, U.S. is no different from any dictatorial tyranny.

And to round off the update, a cloud has lifted, with Biden dropping out. The fear was that Harris is not liked. But I think she could go on the attack and say what Biden couldn't get across - that the Republican candidate is a grifter, a liar and a criminal. And wannabe dictator, not Biden as you claim without a shred of evidence. She might just do, as it became increasingly evident, Biden wouldn't.

Why do you think Trump is a wannabe dictator? He has not done anything indicating that. (Please notice, I am not saying people should vote Trump, only that I don’t think he is as bad as “democrats” say. It could probably be better to vote for Kennedy).

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Garbage, as usual. And irrelevant...or no, because you point to an example of Paul's thinking which you don't agree with.

I agree with Paul, I just think understanding him needs more than one line from the Bible.

But he is the one who invented Christianity.

That is very weird claim. A Christian is a disciple of Jesus. And person is a disciple of Jesus, when he remains in the word of Jesus. It would be irrational to claim Paul is the inventor.

…The disciples were first called Christians in Antioch.
Acts 11:26
Jesus therefore said to those Jews who had believed him, “If you remain in my word, then you are truly my disciples. You will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”
John 8:31-32

I think Paul is a good teacher, whoever, he is just another disciple of Jesus, not the king.

The heroic resistance of the Finns in the winter war was all their fault and violent destruction, doing it to their own people, when they should simply have let Russia walk in. Is that the way you see it?

Nice that you know some history.

I think all nations have right to defend themselves, also Ukrainians. However, Ukraine had chance to avoid the war and they didn’t accept it. I think that was stupid and now it is difficult to feel bad for them, because this seem to be what they wanted. But I am sorry for the common Ukrainians who are only like pawns for the world leaders playing their war games to enrich themselves, without caring at all about the people they send to be killed.

One of the big mistakes that I think Ukraine did was that they begun to kill Eastern Ukraine people before Russia got involved. It was incredibly stupid/evil, if they didn’t want to have war with Russia and get even more Ukrainians killed.

Afghanistan - if you even understood it rather than excuses and dismissal i wouldn't have to respond. That was Bush, using 9./11 as his crusade against world terrorism, "The axle of elvis" as he w saw it. And he has a point as Afghanistan was hosting Al-Quaida. The Iraq war was far less justified, even though it got rid of Saddam.

I think all of U.S. interventions in other countries are basically the same as what Russia is doing now in Ukraine. And in my opinion countries should not send their military in other countries. And I am especially disappointed to U.S. for I think it should be better, because it markets itself as the land of the free and has probably the best constitution in the world.

Obviously, it may be true that some country does evil things for its own people, as also it seems to be in the case of Ukraine. I have no means to check is it true. But, even if it would b e so, the correct solution for Ukraine or U.S. is not to involve in war, but to offer for example asylum for those who are persecuted in their own country.

But the point is that, whether one agrees with the invasion of Afghanistan or the pull out, it was negotiated by Trump as he negotiated pull - outs everywhere and we can save the adult actress jokes. Trump negotiated the surrenders and say what you like it gave Putin a free hand.

U.S. gave Russia free hand by acting like evil tyrant all around the world. Difficult to be a moralist, when own hands are covered with Libyan, Syrian, Iraq… blood. It is interesting that Biden seems to think the withdrawal was his merit. In any case, I think it was right thing to do. It would be better, if U.S. would focus on making America great again. And it would be good to understand, the greatness of America is not the military and wars, but the freedom it offered. If in some other nation there are oppressed people, who think about the freedom the same ways as the founders of U.S., I think it would be better to let them in America and let the evil nations wallow in their own filth and not try to force them to be something else. By forcing others, U.S. is no different from any dictatorial tyranny.

And to round off the update, a cloud has lifted, with Biden dropping out. The fear was that Harris is not liked. But I think she could go on the attack and say what Biden couldn't get across - that the Republican candidate is a grifter, a liar and a criminal. And wannabe dictator, not Biden as you claim without a shred of evidence. She might just do, as it became increasingly evident, Biden wouldn't.

Why do you think Trump is a wannabe dictator? He has not done anything indicating that. (Please notice, I am not saying people should vote Trump, only that I don’t think he is as bad as “democrats” say. It could probably be better to vote for Kennedy).

One line? Paul argues the whole case out in Romans. Sin came through Adam. The law rather gives more things to sin about. In practice it cannot save.

Now here i get your point that IF one observed God's laws (morals) perfectly they would be righteous and could be saved, but Paul is not logical, he fiddles the logic to get where he wants, which is that If people just abandon sin, they will become naturally good. He covers over that flaw by putting Jesusfaith in as a thing that will allow people to leave Sin because he bought it off with his sacrifice.

This cagmag is what became the Dogma of Christianity, the Greek writers of the gospels turned the Jewish (failed) messiah into a Greek demigod.

As to the political stuff. you say that a country has a right to defend itself. So Russia (as we now know) invaded E Ukraine and the Crimea under tjhe cover of local insurrection. but that wasn't the agreement then any more than it is now. Putin struck a Kiev, Ukraine defended itself, and the West saw that Puting is safer stopped in Ukraine than on the borders of Poland.

As to Trump, apart from his attempt to blackmail Zelensky into providing dirt on Biden or he wouldn't get the weapons Trump was supplying after 2016, and trying to invent votes after he lost the 2020 election and provoking insurrection, his subversion of Law with his corrupt Judges (Eileen Cannon is obviously in his pocket) and claiming all courts are corrupt and biased, his scams and grifts, trading on Patriotism and the Bible as scams to make money, using the GOP as his personal money box, never mind he never pays his bills unless he has to, and finally, his intent to use the presidency (should be win) to do what he wants to whom he wants.

Without his plain envy of the dictatorial control of Putin, Xi and the other dictators, anyone with half an eye could see what his presidency would be like.

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One line? Paul argues the whole case out in Romans. Sin came through Adam. The law rather gives more things to sin about. In practice it cannot save.

In a way it is true that sins came through Adam and Eve. it depends on what sin means. I think it means to reject God, or to be without God. A&E rejected God and therefore we are also born in separation from God (in sin).

Now here i get your point that IF one observed God's laws (morals) perfectly they would be righteous and could be saved,

Sorry, you still don't understand. Person who obeys the law perfectly, doesn't need to be saved. Only people who have sin, needs to be saved (from the judgment that comes because of the sin).

This cagmag is what became the Dogma of Christianity, the Greek writers of the gospels turned the Jewish (failed) messiah into a Greek demigod.

To me that tells one doesn't understand what is said in the Bible.

...So Russia (as we now know) invaded E Ukraine and the Crimea under tjhe cover of local insurrection. but that wasn't the agreement then any more than it is now. Putin struck a Kiev, Ukraine defended itself, and the West saw that Puting is safer stopped in Ukraine than on the borders of Poland.

I think it is delusional to think Trump wants to attack Poland. I don't believe he even wanted to attack Ukraine, but did it because Russian minded people were killed in Eastern Ukraine.

As to Trump, apart from his attempt to blackmail Zelensky into providing dirt on Biden or he wouldn't get the weapons Trump was supplying after 2016, and trying to invent votes after he lost the 2020 election and provoking insurrection, his subversion of Law with his corrupt Judges (Eileen Cannon is obviously in his pocket) and claiming all courts are corrupt and biased, his scams and grifts, trading on Patriotism and the Bible as scams to make money, using the GOP as his personal money box, never mind he never pays his bills unless he has to, and finally, his intent to use the presidency (should be win) to do what he wants to whom he wants.

I don't believe that propaganda.

Do you pay your bills, if you don't have to?

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One line? Paul argues the whole case out in Romans. Sin came through Adam. The law rather gives more things to sin about. In practice it cannot save.

In a way it is true that sins came through Adam and Eve. it depends on what sin means. I think it means to reject God, or to be without God. A&E rejected God and therefore we are also born in separation from God (in sin).

Now here i get your point that IF one observed God's laws (morals) perfectly they would be righteous and could be saved,

Sorry, you still don't understand. Person who obeys the law perfectly, doesn't need to be saved. Only people who have sin, needs to be saved (from the judgment that comes because of the sin).

This cagmag is what became the Dogma of Christianity, the Greek writers of the gospels turned the Jewish (failed) messiah into a Greek demigod.

To me that tells one doesn't understand what is said in the Bible.

...So Russia (as we now know) invaded E Ukraine and the Crimea under tjhe cover of local insurrection. but that wasn't the agreement then any more than it is now. Putin struck a Kiev, Ukraine defended itself, and the West saw that Puting is safer stopped in Ukraine than on the borders of Poland.

I think it is delusional to think Trump wants to attack Poland. I don't believe he even wanted to attack Ukraine, but did it because Russian minded people were killed in Eastern Ukraine.

As to Trump, apart from his attempt to blackmail Zelensky into providing dirt on Biden or he wouldn't get the weapons Trump was supplying after 2016, and trying to invent votes after he lost the 2020 election and provoking insurrection, his subversion of Law with his corrupt Judges (Eileen Cannon is obviously in his pocket) and claiming all courts are corrupt and biased, his scams and grifts, trading on Patriotism and the Bible as scams to make money, using the GOP as his personal money box, never mind he never pays his bills unless he has to, and finally, his intent to use the presidency (should be win) to do what he wants to whom he wants.

I don't believe that propaganda.

Do you pay your bills, if you don't have to?

It doesn't matter what sin means in a semantic definition way. It is doing what is wrong which we all know about even if we don't agree about it. Christianity wants to relate this to the religion, and the religion says it is because of the Eden event (however one wants to rewrite it) that we all have sin. It is a doctrine. If it isn't true, that all of Abrahamic doctrine collapses.

If you are right that doing right naturally is enough to be saved, then we don't need the Bible, religion or Jesus. The fiction that the Bible tells us how to be Good is a lie. It commands evil as much as good, or at least unhelpful orders, and even you have to excuse yourself from giving your stuff to the poor. Jesus ascended and is no longer here, so you don't have to follow his orders, it seems.

I don't care that you think I don't understand what is in the Bible, when you deny what is in there even when you do understand it.

Trump wants to attack Poland? Do get a grip, as if you have no idea what is being discussed, you have nothing to bring to the discussion.

Putin, wanted to control with puppet rulers the buffer stated s. Belarus still has their Putin puppet; Ukraine got rid of theirs. Putin saw clear that Ukraine would eventually join Europe and Nato, which he sees as a threat, which it only is if he has old soviet empire plans, as he clearly does.

So he grabbed Crimea and invaded Luhansk and Donbas, pretending iut was a local uprising. However he showed his true colors by invading at Kyeb v, and getting beat to everyone's surprise and they have been supported against Putin's aggression ever since.

Point is that IF Putin gets to take over Ukraine, he'll be on the border with Nato - Poland, and it is will be far more dangerous. IF he v ban be beat in Ukraine, (and he can if Trump doesn't win the election and cut off aid, as Putin tells him to) then that will end Putin and his dreams of empire.
It would be so nice to go back to when Russia looked like being friendly with the west and even having proper democracy. Right now it doesn't have free press by One party propaganda.

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It doesn't matter what sin means in a semantic definition way. It is doing what is wrong which we all know about even if we don't agree about it. Christianity wants to relate this to the religion, and the religion says it is because of the Eden event (however one wants to rewrite it) that we all have sin. It is a doctrine. If it isn't true, that all of Abrahamic doctrine collapses.

I have understood sin is to reject God, or to be apart from God. Can you explain why that is wrong and why would an atheist be the right person to define it?

If you are right that doing right naturally is enough to be saved, then we don't need the Bible, religion or Jesus.

Saved from what? If you have done everything right, you don't need to be saved.

The fiction that the Bible tells us how to be Good is a lie. It commands evil as much as good, or at least unhelpful orders, and even you have to excuse yourself from giving your stuff to the poor. Jesus ascended and is no longer here, so you don't have to follow his orders, it seems.

I don't care that you think I don't understand what is in the Bible, when you deny what is in there even when you do understand it.

I don't deny anything that is there, only your bad interpretations of it.

Trump wants to attack Poland?

Sorry, I meant Putin.

Point is that IF Putin gets to take over Ukraine, he'll be on the border with Nato - Poland, and it is will be far more dangerous...

If it is dangerous, why NATO wants to get closer to Russia?