Why do christians believe in god?

[kilese]

I want to know how, in this modern world, people still worship a god. I don't know about anyone else, but I can't even try to believe it. I see no logic in it at all, to believe in a magical being that lives in the clouds. You can't possibly truly believe in it all. If you do, then humans are more clueless than i thought. Why worship someone who lets children starve everyday? If he has the power to stop it, and doesn't, then he is malevolent. But if he doesn't have the power, he is not a god. And if god created freewill and is omnipotent, then he would already know about all the horrible things in the world that would happen, and could have stopped it. And if he's omnipotent, whats the point of praying? Your prayers would have already been heard. And no one's prayers have been answered, so he is not worth worshiping, and therefore, is not a god. I'm not try to attack anyone, i just can't understand how anyone can believe all this.

[I AM ALL I AM]

G'day Skyangel.

This can be seen as a denial of logical processing that shows a "clueless" approach to that which the individual claims as a belief. That is, the individual does not have any 'clues' (evidence) for their belief in a deity.


While many may claim that a belief in a deity is not a denial, I will contend that unless the individual believes in all deities (which in and of itself is contradictory), then they are in denial of all other deities than their chosen deity. If atheism is a lack of belief in deities (plural), then those only believing in one deity are only one deity less in lack of belief in deities than an atheist.

It might be true that those believing in one deity are only one deity less in lack of belief than an atheist but it is only true if you perceive all deities as separate individuals which are all supernatural gods. It is not true IF you perceive the word God as ALL things combined which would include all deities imaginary or not.

Exodus 22:20 (King James Version) "He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the LORD only, he shall be utterly destroyed."

2 Chronicles 15:13 "That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman."

I note the use of the words "might" and "if". In response, what you propose "might" be true "if" you ignored what the bible actually states, as in the above passages, which are only two among many.

However, your contention appears to be that if anyone makes a statement that they believe in ALL deities they would be contradicting themselves.. Am I correct in interpreting your words that way?

They would be contradicting their religious text, which for christians is the bible. Such as his quote ...

Exodus 20:3 (KJV) "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

If so, How would it be contradictory to say I believe in ALL deities in the sense that I believe ALL things that have been created exist?

See above.

Also, can you provide any evidence for any deity at all ?

That does not mean I believe they are all real or all truthful but I do believe they are all very real in someones imagination.

How can you claim to know what is "very real in someones imagination" ?

Do you have special powers to be able to view another's imagination ?

Or are you only relying upon another's words, even though their actions may not back up what it is they are claiming with the words that they utter ?

The only tangible gods are the ones you can touch and see and those include mankind who are also gods if you believe the bible. Mankind is therefore evidence of tangible gods according to the bible itself. and if you do not believe in the bible but believe and trust in only yourself then you are your own god anyway who dictates to yourself and follows your own rules with or without a bible or any other God or gods. Any Atheist who believes in themselves believes in a god who is themself. They are their own god.

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.

Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?


I am that I am.

Have you ever been able to "touch and see" the christian 'God' that is described in the religious text known of as the bible ?

Personally, I believe in the bible, after all, it is self-evident as I have read it and therefore recognise it as being that which we commonly give the label of 'the bible'. What I do not believe in relationship to the bible is that which is attached to it through the claims of others. It is a collection of texts, written by men, and at no point have I ever been shown any evidence to show otherwise. Do you have any evidence to show that it is other than a collection of writings of men ?

With your commentary of, "Any Atheist who believes in themselves believes in a god who is themself. They are their own god.", you show a lack of comprehension in the defintion of what is an "Atheist". Is this intentionally done to further the premise that you put forth ?

Further to this, it is a statement that is based upon the belief in a deity, which shows an anthropomorphising of life, and is a subjective belief that you are projecting upon others by contradicting the meaning of the word "Atheist".

[Goat]

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.

Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?


I am that I am.

Now, this is just one of the reasons I am really skeptical about how good the education was from the Gospel writers.. in this case, whomever wrote the Gospel of John.

You see, if you read Psalm 82:6 in context, he isn't talking to man, he is talking to the other spirits, such as baal and such. He is not talking to man. When you got such a badly out of context quote from a later scripture writer, it shows a strong lack of understanding abotu what he was quoting from.

As for the 'i am that I am', that is just one big pun , since those words are a close approximation of that the tetragammon was probably pronounced as (but not quite)

[I AM ALL I AM]

G'day Goat.

I have read that it can be translated as ...

I AM THAT I AM / I AM WHICH I AM / I AM WHO I AM

... do you know if this is correct ?

[Guest]

...... in this modern world......

Has man changed to be "modern"? Or is that an observation on the world? My new expensive computer and media center was obsolete before the warrantee ran out. So, is modern today,,,or still coming...I just saw an old ad on youtube recently for the new "and modern" 1962 Chevrolet Impala. Man, on the other hand is born, lives, and dies. In fact he is sliding into death the moment he is born....and since recorded time has not changed. He was that way in 1962, when i bought my computer, and today and probably will be 2morrow. What are u applying "modern" to??

[Skyangel]

I note the use of the words "might" and "if". In response, what you propose "might" be true "if" you ignored what the bible actually states, as in the above passages, which are only two among many.

The whole point is that any statement can be perceived as true or false or both true and false depending on the perception/s of the person/s looking at it and judging it to be either true or false. The truth of that principle can be seen in the bible stories themselves where Jesus spoke the Truth and was considered to be a liar by many and was considered to be truthful by others.
The fact is that very few can really recognize the truth when they are faced with it. Many people call the Truth a lie because they simply don't like the looks of it or hate what they are hearing and don't want to hear it.

They would be contradicting their religious text, which for christians is the bible. Such as his quote ...

Exodus 20:3 (KJV) "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."

You could interpret that scripture as saying you may have other gods as long as you don't place them before the Lord or put them first in your life.

However, look at this scripture which indicates that there is no other God but one.

Isa 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared [it]? ye [are] even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, [there is] no God; I know not [any].

If there is no God/god but one God then no man can possibly have any other god before the One who exists, can they? If they do, they are suffering from a strong delusion and deceiving themselves.

You either believe in God or you don't. The one God who does exist is the culmination of ALL.

Also, can you provide any evidence for any deity at all ?

I AM evidence of a deity.
The definition of a deity is "any supernatural being worshipped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force"
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=deity

My husband worships me.

How can you claim to know what is "very real in someones imagination" ?

From experiencing things that once appeared real in my own imagination. I grew up and grew out of these imaginations but I still understand those who have not grown up yet and still believe their own fantasies are real things in the same way children believe Santa Claus is real.

Do you have special powers to be able to view another's imagination ?

Yes, in my own imagination and experience.

Or are you only relying upon another's words, even though their actions may not back up what it is they are claiming with the words that they utter ?

No, I simply understand that all people go through much the same things and experience similar emotions, temptations and imaginations regardless of how they react towards their own imaginations or the suggestions of other people.
The human mind and imagination is a mysterious thing.

Have you ever been able to "touch and see" the christian 'God' that is described in the religious text known of as the bible ?

Yes, I look at the great " I AM " n the mirror every day. The mirror shows me a reflection of the "I AM". I can touch that reflection and also touch the one causing that reflection.

Do you have any evidence to show that it is other than a collection of writings of men ?

No.

With your commentary of, "Any Atheist who believes in themselves believes in a god who is themself. They are their own god.", you show a lack of comprehension in the defintion of what is an "Atheist". Is this intentionally done to further the premise that you put forth ?

It is intentionally done to make any atheist ask themselves whether they believe in themselves and follow their own moral rules or not. If they do then are they not their own god? If they admit they are then they believe in a god (themselves ) and can no longer claim to be an Atheist.
If people are truthful and honest with themselves they cannot claim to be an Atheist at all. No Atheist exists in reality because anyone who is honest with themselves will admit they do believe in themselves and do follow their own rules.

[Skyangel]

The last post appears to have posted twice so I deleted the duplicate message which was in this post but don't know how to delete the post completely.

[Skyangel]

Now, this is just one of the reasons I am really skeptical about how good the education was from the Gospel writers.. in this case, whomever wrote the Gospel of John.

You see, if you read Psalm 82:6 in context, he isn't talking to man, he is talking to the other spirits, such as baal and such. He is not talking to man. When you got such a badly out of context quote from a later scripture writer, it shows a strong lack of understanding abotu what he was quoting from.

I agree Psalms is talking to spirits but so was Jesus. Jesus always spoke to spirits . He was and is and always will be a Spirit of Truth in man speaking to all other spirits in man.

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.

Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

[Goat]

Now, this is just one of the reasons I am really skeptical about how good the education was from the Gospel writers.. in this case, whomever wrote the Gospel of John.

You see, if you read Psalm 82:6 in context, he isn't talking to man, he is talking to the other spirits, such as baal and such. He is not talking to man. When you got such a badly out of context quote from a later scripture writer, it shows a strong lack of understanding abotu what he was quoting from.

I agree Psalms is talking to spirits but so was Jesus. Jesus always spoke to spirits . He was and is and always will be a Spirit of Truth in man speaking to all other spirits in man.

Psa 82:6 I have said, Ye [are] gods; and all of you [are] children of the most High.

Jhn 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

If you read John 10:35 in context, he was not talking to spirits, he was talking to people.

Psam 82:6 had God talking to false gods.

Big difference, and that is where the misquote lies.

[Skyangel]

If you read John 10:35 in context, he was not talking to spirits, he was talking to people.

Psam 82:6 had God talking to false gods.

Big difference, and that is where the misquote lies.

On all outward appearances it obviously appears that Jesus was talking to people but He was not addressing the flesh of any people but always addressing the spirit inside the people. God always look on the hearts of people and speaks to the hearts of people. Outward appearances are superficial and can be very deceiving.


Jesus spoke in another tongue to spirits not to men. The men or people He spoke to did not understand or comprehend what He was saying even though He spoke their language. If Jesus was merely speaking to people like people speak to people they would have understood Him because they would have been on the same wavelength.
All of Jesus words have a double meaning. One meaning that the fleshly man hears and comprehends and another meaning that the Spirit of the man hears and comprehends and those two meanings are different. The Spirit understands spiritual things and the flesh does not. Jesus always spoke spiritual things which no natural man can comprehend.

1Cr 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

Isa 28:11-12 For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This [is] the rest [wherewith] ye may cause the weary to rest; and this [is] the refreshing: yet they would not hear.

1Cr 14:2 For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

Psa 115:5 They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:

Isa 44:18 They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; [and] their hearts, that they cannot understand.

Mar 8:18 Having eyes, see ye not? and having ears, hear ye not?

Rom 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.

Rev 2:29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

God through Jesus ( a supernatural man ) was, is and always will be a Spirit speaking to the spirits inside natural man.

[Flail]

Skyangel wrote:

The whole point is that any statement can be perceived as true or false or both true and false depending on the perception/s of the person/s looking at it and judging it to be either true or false.

There is a 'tool' one can use to discern truth in a debate claim and that 'tool' is called 'verifable evidence.' Christian god claims have no evidence, do not contain even the appearance of truth, but are propaganda only.


Skyangel wrote:

However, look at this scripture which indicates that there is no other God but one.

With three heads?

Skyangel wrote:

You either believe in God or you don't. The one God who does exist is the culmination of ALL.

Where, outside of non-evidentiary religious promotional material and propaganda, is there any evidence of what characteristics a 'god' would even entail? We cannot properly define invisible, undetectable,supernatural 'somethings' that are not known to exist.