Why live?

[alive]

Why would god have us do this stupid step? Why even be born? Just wake up in heaven.. We make no sense. A true god that most are wanting that created everything in the universe would not need living specks of like on a grain of sand in the universe...Why even make anything outside of heaven... I don't think believers have put a real effort on if there realy was a god what the heck would even bother with us...Would you?

For a second take god out of existance...There are countless ways life could of happen...Now add god back in and you were god... I have a universe with maybe 100's of millions of planets...My only thing Im worried about is getting humans to heaven?

I hope Im still alive when everyone wakes up..

[arian]

Why would god have us do this stupid step? Why even be born? Just wake up in heaven.. We make no sense. A true god that most are wanting that created everything in the universe would not need living specks of like on a grain of sand in the universe...Why even make anything outside of heaven... I don't think believers have put a real effort on if there realy was a god what the heck would even bother with us...Would you?

For a second take god out of existance...There are countless ways life could of happen...Now add god back in and you were god... I have a universe with maybe 100's of millions of planets...My only thing Im worried about is getting humans to heaven?

I hope Im still alive when everyone wakes up..

If I'm correctly getting your drift, I agree with your premise. It makes no coherent sense to me why the creator of the universe would give us life for a relatively minuscule span of time for the sole purpose that we credulously believe with all our hearts in some first century legend. We then are relieved of all responsibility for all the harm we have caused other people without one requirement that we atone. Then we live for all of eternity with no strife, no challenge, no worry. Sounds like hell to me given the abject boredom of the place.

Heaven a 'boring place'? I used to think that way too Flail, everyone just sitting around singing some boring songs and bowing in fear in worship of a God we cannot even see. LOL
Then I read the next verse where you actually answer the OP:

I prefer to think that we must be on some course of eternal evolution, always striving, always improving and checking ourselves and getting hold of ourselves for continued betterment and altruism.

You described our purpose perfectly my friend, a 'spiritual evolution' that starts here and now, and not a biological one. This is why God 'created us' for, to become one with Him the Creator, on a quest, or as you said; 'eternal evolution', growing in the wisdom of God.

Look at what we can create with our limited knowledge, our limited resources with our very-very limited time. Imagine when God takes away the ‘limited’ part in all this, what heights man can evolve to, I mean the possibilities are ENDLESS.

Look at what Satan puts in mans mind compared to what the Bible teaches; He says the universe is really just a tiny speck in nothing, what we see is the result of evolution. But what we actually see is quite the opposite.

Satan: “We are running out of energy, we have an ENERGT CHRISIS!�

Fact: the universe IS energy.

Satan: “There are 7 billion people on the earth, there is no room anymore! You must kill, kill, kill before it's too late and all the energy is used up! Panic, panic, panic people! What, .. do you want to put your trust in God? Do you think He cares about you? I care, and I say forget God and take things into your own hands. You are no different than the animals, and you know how they survived all these billions of years, survival of the fittest, that's how! Now go out and kill anyone limping, the old, the colored and anyone who is NOT WITH US, even if it's your own family! No room I tell you, ... don't you feel sufficated?"

Fact: Is in your next comment below:

Believe it or not, some Christians believe that the earth is the sole planet in all the universe to house intelligent human comparable life. It's been awhile since I studied basic astronomy, but I recall the 'known' universe is at least 13 billion light years in diameter. So if you could hop on a light beam traveling 186,000 miles per second you would have to travel at that speed for 13 billion years to even reach the edge of what astrologists have 'observed' so far.

You see, when God said: "Be fruitful and multiply, ..�

Gen 1:26-28
27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth."
NKJV

He meant just that, to fill the earth because He created billions and billions more all ready to be put in order for us to fill, to populate. Imagine going to visit relatives many, many galaxies away in an instant just as light is seen (not the 186,282 miles per second that Satan would love to limit it to)?

We launched Voyager I around 1978 and traveling at our top rocket speed of 60,000 miles an hour it has just now exited our own solar system...a whopping distance traveled of 13 light days and it only took 35 years. In another 500,000 years at 60,000 mph it will hopefully approach the nearest solar system to ours that may support intelligent life...our neighbor ONLY 20 light years distant. The universe is a really big place to waste on one dusty little abode for human beings.

Amen to that, even we are created of dust. We die just as the pigs we slaughter die, only there is ‘hope’ for us, and none for them.
Fill the earth, fill the universe, only we are so busy killing and tormenting each other, we could never achieve the purpose God had for us. Only a few will be saved, and look what God prepared for us, an entire universe, yep, … just for little old us? And if that wasn’t enough, who’s to say God wouldn’t have created more; “Ask and it shall be given unto you, … overflowing, …�

[Goat]

Then why set up the path for failure to begin with. An omniscient God would have KNOWN a creation would fail a test, why have the test to begin with? Why the rigamarole? That interpretation of Genesis does not make sense.

Why not? I think God’s answer to your question would be, because it is good

I don’t think it was a test. Did I say it was test? It seems to me that God wanted us to have opportunity to abandon him. And after that he wanted us to have opportunity to come back. For leaving there were one way and for coming back there is one way.

For those who choose impiety, it doesn’t really matter are they first here, because they would end similar situation anyway, probably this is better, because they can experience their own evil as they want. And for those who will get back to God, this life is almost the same, because kingdom of God can be already with them.

Once Jesus was asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom of God would come. He answered them, “The kingdom of God is not coming with a visible display. People won't say, ‘Look! Here it is!’ or “There it is!’ For the kingdom of God is among you.�
Luke 17:20-21

If it wasn't a test, what was it? Seems to me that in modern society, if a 5 year old brings a loaded gun to school because it was laying around the house, it's the parents who get in trouble.. Same principle.

[arian]

Why would god have us do this stupid step? Why even be born? Just wake up in heaven..

But have you not read the Bible? People were in paradise in the beginning. Then they choose to abandon God and because of that we experience this life. But he still want that people have opportunity to come back and therefore he sent Jesus to show the way back.

Then why set up the path for failure to begin with. An omniscient God would have KNOWN a creation would fail a test, why have the test to begin with? Why the rigamarole? That interpretation of Genesis does not make sense.

The 'test' is for us, what we would do, not what God already knows, nor what HE can do. Its a test, if we learn from life here on earth, we move on to the unlimited. If we deliberately fail, we are sent to live in the ideology we preferred over Gods plan for us, ... which is from what I have observed here on earth, will be hell, because this kind of godless thinking is anything but life.

[Tammy789]

Then why set up the path for failure to begin with. An omniscient God would have KNOWN a creation would fail a test, why have the test to begin with? Why the rigamarole? That interpretation of Genesis does not make sense.

The 'test' is for us, what we would do, not what God already knows, nor what HE can do. Its a test, if we learn from life here on earth, we move on to the unlimited. If we deliberately fail, we are sent to live in the ideology we preferred over Gods plan for us, ... which is from what I have observed here on earth, will be hell, because this kind of godless thinking is anything but life.

You make it sound as if hell is somewhere a human would want to go. What exactly do you believe hell is?

[1213]

If it wasn't a test, what was it? Seems to me that in modern society, if a 5 year old brings a loaded gun to school because it was laying around the house, it's the parents who get in trouble.. Same principle.

I think it was only back door to Godless world, away to abandon God. It seems to me that God wanted us to have opportunity to leave him. That is why there was the tree.

People knew what will happen if they choose to eat the fruit. That is why I think they are responsible for their actions.

But I believe all people have opportunity to come back.

[1213]

You make it sound as if hell is somewhere a human would want to go. What exactly do you believe hell is?

Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to show this so that you could know also what Bible tells about hell.

I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and they opened books. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. The sea gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. They were judged, each one according to his works. Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:12-15

I think hell is basically eternal separation from God and it burns like... ...the knowledge that the only life is also with God.

[alive]

You make it sound as if hell is somewhere a human would want to go. What exactly do you believe hell is?

Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to show this so that you could know also what Bible tells about hell.

I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and they opened books. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. The sea gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. They were judged, each one according to his works. Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:12-15

I think hell is basically eternal separation from God and it burns like... ...the knowledge that the only life is also with God.

I think the only thing the bible tells us is that the world back then was full of superstion and the need to answer ever unknown with a God did it... The bible does not fit in todays world...Thats what the bible tells us..

[Tammy789]

Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to show this so that you could know also what Bible tells about hell.

I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and they opened books. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. The sea gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. They were judged, each one according to his works. Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:12-15

I think hell is basically eternal separation from God and it burns like... ...the knowledge that the only life is also with God.

So you're saying hell is a lake of fire and it burns like the knowledge that the only life is also with God. I'm not sure I'm clear on that. Do you believe it is the hell like the Southern Baptists, for example, believe in, where you burn forever in torment?

[arian]

Then why set up the path for failure to begin with. An omniscient God would have KNOWN a creation would fail a test, why have the test to begin with? Why the rigamarole? That interpretation of Genesis does not make sense.

The 'test' is for us, what we would do, not what God already knows, nor what HE can do. Its a test, if we learn from life here on earth, we move on to the unlimited. If we deliberately fail, we are sent to live in the ideology we preferred over Gods plan for us, ... which is from what I have observed here on earth, will be hell, because this kind of godless thinking is anything but life.

You make it sound as if hell is somewhere a human would want to go. What exactly do you believe hell is?

Hello Tammy789

In a way it seems like people actually prefer hell. Look how the earth and the people are being destroyed, and what I have seen, the people who are destroying are content in doing so.

As the Jews; men women and children were led down the streets of Germany, the German people were like in a trance, no remorse from women or the children for their long time neighbors and even good friends the Jews, even though they saw the harsh treatment and knew they were going to be killed. Now for a neutral person witnessing this, it would seem like hell, right?

“Why doesn’t somebody do something, speak up against this atrocity�, but usually there was silence, nothing. This happened in Africa and many other places since, with the whole world watching as black Christians were taken out of their homes and butchered with machetes right in front of US soldiers and their Muslim neighbors, yet as if this was justified somehow in their minds, their hearts??

From my present persecuted point of view, most people prefer lies over the truth, evil over good and the only reason they tolerate good is to protect their own skin. The Bible has warned us that this is coming; people will regress to believing they are no different than bests, and this Evolution belief is exactly that. So God allows them to act this out, holocaust after holocaust, yet they still do not turn from their evil ways. So yes, the multitude knowingly headed straight to a Godless hell, and even though God revealed to them that He will no longer shine His love on them there, they continue to push their way in that wide gate:

Matt 7:13-14
"Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.
NKJV

[arian]

You make it sound as if hell is somewhere a human would want to go. What exactly do you believe hell is?

Sorry to interrupt, but I'd like to show this so that you could know also what Bible tells about hell.

I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and they opened books. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged out of the things which were written in the books, according to their works. The sea gave up the dead who were in it. Death and Hades gave up the dead who were in them. They were judged, each one according to his works. Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. If anyone was not found written in the book of life, he was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 20:12-15

I think hell is basically eternal separation from God and it burns like... ...the knowledge that the only life is also with God.

I think the only thing the bible tells us is that the world back then was full of superstion and the need to answer ever unknown with a God did it... The bible does not fit in todays world...Thats what the bible tells us..

Hello Alive

(Thank you 1213 for that Bible quote, and I agree with your comment too)

Actually Alive, the Bible makes more sense now than it ever has in its past history. The things the Prophets said would not have made much sense then, nor what Jesus and His Apostles said, but it all comes together now in these truly last days.

In a way, we are privileged, because we have something that reveals the things happening in this world. The Book of Revelations has come alive, revealing the Beast and the way he was given the power of Satan, that Dragon of old.

Rev 13:5-8
5 The beast was allowed to make proud claims which were insulting to God, and it was permitted to have authority for forty-two months. 6 It began to curse God, his name, the place where he lives, and all those who live in heaven. 7 It was allowed to fight against God's people and to defeat them, and it was given authority over every tribe, nation, language, and race. 8 All people living on earth will worship it, except those whose names were written before the creation of the world in the book of the living which belongs to the Lamb that was killed.
TEV

“It was allowed to fight against God's people and to defeat them, and it was given authority over every tribe, nation, language, and race.� Just look at Christianity now? Ask them who they worship, to whom they sing their hymns and bow to with their prayers and they will gladly tell you; “To the Holy Trinity, a Deity greater than all the other Deities, or to the Mother of God!� and they will worship this Deity with idols decorated with silver and gold and place their gifts under these idols which does not speak nor grant their wishes. They will then make a demonic human Elf with all his helpers deliver the presents to their children, and they will tell these lies and make the kids believe in these supernatural beings.

I pray that God open their eyes, but the spirit of these Deities, revealing itself in many forms like Christmas, Easter and many ancient pagan idols, and man made doctrines rules over them where they really cannot see what they are doing, or who they are worshiping.

Gods people; every tribe, nation, language, and race have truly been defeated, just as it is written. Lord, I pray that you open the eyes of your people, remove the scales from their eyes that they could see the danger around them, before they enter that wide gate and it’s too late.

The Bible tells us that many will wake up, run to fill their lamps with oil, but once the Groom, our Lord Jesus Christ enters that gate and shuts the door:

Matt 25:11-13
11 "Afterward the other virgins came also, saying, 'Lord, Lord, open to us!' 12 But he answered and said, 'Assuredly, I say to you, I do not know you.'

13 "Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour in which the Son of Man is coming.
NKJV

But the ‘times’ have been revealed to us, not the exact hour, and I tell you it’s close, … real close.