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Give one reason or argument that God doesnt exist

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Try and give one reason philosophically or scientifically that God doesnt exist, but not one emotionally.

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Nickman wrote:"Why are these old refuted arguments".
"Evolution showed how it could be made".

Nothing has been refuted, evolutionists still have no clue how the bacterial flagellum came into existence.
This argument was settled and science has shown how the Flagellum can be made by evolutionary means. This went all the way to court. Behe lost misersably. Goat just posted a reason why the flagellum can be.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreducible_complexity

"The flagella of certain bacteria constitute a molecular motor requiring the interaction of about 40 different protein parts. Behe asserts that the absence of any one of these proteins causes the flagella to fail to function, "

"Experiments have shown that many proteins can be deleted from the flagellar apparatus without destroying its function,[74][75] even though its activity may be reduced in some of these cases."

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Artie wrote: "The flagella of certain bacteria constitute a molecular motor requiring the interaction of about 40 different protein parts. Behe asserts that the absence of any one of these proteins causes the flagella to fail to function, "

"Experiments have shown that many proteins can be deleted from the flagellar apparatus without destroying its function,[74][75] even though its activity may be reduced in some of these cases."
If you remove one of the spark plugs or head gasket from a car engine and found that it still runs; would you conclude that the engine evolved?

Which one of the following parts can be removed (as you said) and still have some function?

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Nickman wrote: This argument was settled and science has shown how the Flagellum can be made by evolutionary means. This went all the way to court. Behe lost misersably.
As a lover of science I am greatly saddened that matters of science are now decided by the courts.
Nickman wrote: Goat just posted a reason why the flagellum can be.
Which page of the article that Goat referenced tells us "why the flagellum can be"?
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austin12345 wrote: Try and give one reason philosophically or scientifically that God doesnt exist, but not one emotionally.
There is no empirical evidence for God, and overwhelming empirical evidence against God.

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austin12345 wrote: Try and give one reason philosophically or scientifically that God doesnt exist, but not one emotionally.
Why? Who cares about ancient invisible gods?

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olavisjo wrote:Which one of the following parts can be removed (as you said) and still have some function?
Are you asking which parts has a different function than it has on the picture or are you asking which parts can be removed without the flagellum ceasing to function?

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olavisjo wrote:If you remove one of the spark plugs or head gasket from a car engine and found that it still runs; would you conclude that the engine evolved?
Everybody understand that car engines evolve... there are many sites explaining how car engines evolved such as http://inventors.about.com/library/week ... rsgasa.htm you don't think a man suddenly decided to put together a Ferrari V12 Engine from atoms do you? Then he would be a god...

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Tammy789 wrote:
Filthy Tugboat wrote:
austin12345 wrote: Try and give one reason philosophically or scientifically that God doesnt exist, but not one emotionally.
Which God?

Here's an argument against the Abrahamic conception of God:

If God exists then God is logically consistent.

As shown in the Bible, God is not logically consistent.

The God of the Bible does not exist.
Yes, which God?

Here's my argument against the Abrahamic conception of God:

The conception is he is the good, perfect, and just creator.

He created this crappy world where the innocent suffer and are placated with a false reward in the hereafter, therefore he is not good, perfect and just - this God does not exist.
Your argument isn't sound, the premise is (presumably) God is good perfect and just.

From there you somehow get to the conclusion that the world is crappy, the innocent suffer and etc. then you say that God doesn't exist. In a sound argument the conclusion must follow from the premises. How does your conclusion follow your premises?
Religion feels to me a little like a Nigerian Prince scam. The "offer" is illegitimate, the "request" is unreasonable and the source is dubious, in fact, Nigeria doesn't even have a royal family.

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olavisjo wrote: As a lover of science I am greatly saddened that matters of science are now decided by the courts.
The 'matters of science' were decided in a lab. Whether or not one can teach said junk science in a public classroom, was decided in court.
olavisjo wrote: Which page of the article that Goat referenced tells us "why the flagellum can be"?
I'm not sure which page they cited, but a decent breakdown of this topic can be found here.

...from the link (my emphasis);
"If the flagellum is indeed irreducibly complex, then removing just one part, let alone 10 or 15, should render what remains "by definition nonfunctional." Yet the TTSS is indeed fully-functional, even though it is missing most of the parts of the flagellum."

I'm inclined to go with the cell/molecular biologist with the Ph.D. in biology on this one.

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Re: Give one reason or argument that God doesnt exist

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Filthy Tugboat wrote:
Tammy789 wrote:
Filthy Tugboat wrote:
austin12345 wrote: Try and give one reason philosophically or scientifically that God doesnt exist, but not one emotionally.
Which God?

Here's an argument against the Abrahamic conception of God:

If God exists then God is logically consistent.

As shown in the Bible, God is not logically consistent.

The God of the Bible does not exist.
Yes, which God?

Here's my argument against the Abrahamic conception of God:

The conception is he is the good, perfect, and just creator.

He created this crappy world where the innocent suffer and are placated with a false reward in the hereafter, therefore he is not good, perfect and just - this God does not exist.
Your argument isn't sound, the premise is (presumably) God is good perfect and just.

From there you somehow get to the conclusion that the world is crappy, the innocent suffer and etc. then you say that God doesn't exist. In a sound argument the conclusion must follow from the premises. How does your conclusion follow your premises?
The God of the Bible is a contradiction in terms. How can he be good and just and creat such a crappy world? So he is either evil or non existent. I go with non existent.

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