A Proof That God Does Not Exist

[RedEye]

Definitions
God is a non-contingent entity, ie. not dependent on anything or anyone else for existence.

Attributes of God: Independence
https://www.todayintheword.org/issues/2 ... y-matters/

Non-contingent - not dependent on, associated with, or conditioned by something else.

Non-contingent
https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... contingent

Entity - a thing with distinct and independent existence.

Syllogisms
P1: If an entity is composed of something then it is contingent (dependent) on that something.
P2: God is a non-contingent entity.
C1: God is not composed of something.

P3: Nothing is the complete absence of something.
P4: God is not composed of something (from C1).
C2: God is nothing.

P5: Nothing is indistinguishable from non-existence.
P6: God is nothing (from C2).
C3: God does not exist.

Support for Premises
P1 - Self-evident.
P2 - By definition.
P3 - By definition.
P4 - From C1.
P5 - Self-evident (by definition).
P6 - From C2.

Can anyone find a flaw with this logical argument? I don't think there is much doubt that the argument is valid, ie. that the conclusions follow logically from the premises. The question is whether the argument is sound, ie. that the premises hold up to scrutiny. Therefore to invalidate this argument you must nominate a premise and then carefully explain why we cannot accept it. Only by invalidating a premise can you invalidate the argument as a whole. (Unless you can prove that one of the syllogisms has a conclusion which does not follow from its premises).

[JehovahsWitness]

GOD: An intelligent non-contingent energy, ie. not dependent on anything or anyone else for existence.

....why do you say such a thing cannot exist?

Because there are essentially only two forms of energy:

Don't you mean two forms of energy yet known to man?

Of course.

Then how can you prove there is not another type of energy that is as yet unknown?





JW

[Willum]

[Replying to post 91 by JehovahsWitness]

Then how can you prove there is not another type of energy that is as yet unknown?

Why would anyone make the assumption? What need is there for it?

[RedEye]

GOD: An intelligent non-contingent energy, ie. not dependent on anything or anyone else for existence.

....why do you say such a thing cannot exist?

Because there are essentially only two forms of energy:

Don't you mean two forms of energy yet known to man?

Of course.

Then how can you prove there is not another type of energy that is as yet unknown?

Why would I need to prove it? If you are making the positive claim that such an energy exists then the burden falls upon you to prove it. Assertions without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

As I have stated repeatedly, you can't keep appealing to the unknown to rescue you from the claims which you make. First you told is that God is energy with no explanation for how you know this. Now you tell us that there is some new but unknown form of energy but you can offer no explanation for how you know this either. All you seem to ever offer is what you imagine.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 93 by RedEye]

That doesn't answer the question.

How can you prove no other energy source exists? You are the one that claimed to have proved that God does not exist, I'm simply challenging you to prove that. If God, defined as

GOD: An intelligent non-contingent energy, ie. not dependent on anything or anyone else for existence.

How can you have proven such a thing does not or cannot exist?

[RedEye]

[Replying to post 93 by RedEye]
That doesn't answer the question.

How can you prove no other energy source exists?

I have no such onus as I have already explained and you have ignored. It's Logic 101. The person making the positive claim automatically assumes the burden of proof. (Btw, you were asserting that there was another form of energy which God could be composed of - nothing to do with an "energy source").

You are the one that claimed to have proved that God does not exist, I'm simply challenging you to prove that.

Yes, I have. See the OP.

If God, defined as

GOD: An intelligent non-contingent energy, ie. not dependent on anything or anyone else for existence.

How can you have proven such a thing does not or cannot exist?

I don't know but I don't need to since you are merely inventing this definition of God out of thin air. First you identify a form of energy which something can be composed of and then I will take your definition seriously. Until then you are wasting my time.

The original word which you have substituted was "entity". Are you denying that God is an entity (a thing with distinct and independent existence)?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 94 by JehovahsWitness]

How can you prove no other energy source exists?

E/c2 = m. You can find your energy by observing its relativistic mass.

Now, please answer the question:
What evidence, logic, or ANYTHING, causes you to suspect there is another energy kind.
Please.

[JehovahsWitness]

GOD: An intelligent non-contingent energy, ie. not dependent on anything or anyone else for existence.

you are merely inventing this definition of God out of thin air.

And your definition of God is out of what....hot fudge? My definition is of the biblical God, yours is made up out of what? Of course you are welcome to define God as a grilled cheese sandwich and then debunk your own made up "cheese sandwich god" .. after all, everyone needs a hobby; but taking the biblical definition above, can we agree there is no way you can prove He doesn't exist?



JW

[Willum]

[Replying to post 97 by JehovahsWitness]

And your definition of God is out of what....hot fudge? My definition is of the biblical God, yours is made up out of what?

Yours is not out of the Biblical God.
It has been asked of you three times from two different askers, what is your rationale for believing in this energy.

Just admit it is needs to exist, because without it God doesn't exist, and you need God to exist so this energy exists...

Or give us a better reason.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 97 by JehovahsWitness]

And your definition of God is out of what....hot fudge? My definition is of the biblical God, yours is made up out of what?

Yours is not out of the Biblical God.

Indeed it is. The biblical God is presented as being "Almighty" omnipotent. His might (power/energy) existed before the creation of the physical universe, before, space, time and any of the other components of the physical, including whatever types of energy can be found therein. He is depicted as being infinite and completely independent of any outside force for his existence; an existence which had no beginning.

Can such a God be disproved?



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[Willum]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness]

Can any more direct a question be avoided?

Sorry, if you need to personally make things up to prove your god, well surely you see how any such god should be discarded like an old snake skin.