How can I know that there is a God?

[McCulloch]

I've been debating many issues here for some time now, but the single most important one, in my opinion is this. There are those who claim that they know that God exists. How does one come to that knowledge? Do they really know that God exists or do they simply suppose or assume that God exists?

If your answer is that I cannot know, then you are as much of an agnostic as I am. If you answer is that some holy book says so, then you have only pushed the question onto that book. I also have what I think is the second most important question.

How can I know that there is a God?

[Cathar1950]

Fallacies are not made up, except maybe naming them, they are pointed out or seen.

They are all made up from a particular viewpoint.. Very few make any real sense, unless you subscribe to the viewpoint. For the most part, they limit reason.

How are abstractions taken as concrete reality not fallacious?

abstract or bias?

Obviously you don't know what either you or I are talking about.
Abstractions or bias? I suggest you read up on fallacies and not waste our time.

[twobitsmedia]

Fallacies are not made up, except maybe naming them, they are pointed out or seen.

They are all made up from a particular viewpoint.. Very few make any real sense, unless you subscribe to the viewpoint. For the most part, they limit reason.

How are abstractions taken as concrete reality not fallacious?

abstract or bias?

Obviously you don't know what either you or I are talking about.
Abstractions or bias? I suggest you read up on fallacies and not waste our time.

Yes, an answer from you to a direct question would be such a waste of time.

[Goat]

Fallacies are not made up, except maybe naming them, they are pointed out or seen.

They are all made up from a particular viewpoint.. Very few make any real sense, unless you subscribe to the viewpoint. For the most part, they limit reason.

How are abstractions taken as concrete reality not fallacious?

abstract or bias?

Obviously you don't know what either you or I are talking about.
Abstractions or bias? I suggest you read up on fallacies and not waste our time.

Yes, an answer from you to a direct question would be such a waste of time.

It seems you are not backing up your claim. You said that 'Whitehead made up fallacies that were not valid' How about an example, and an explanation about why you think that fallacy is not valid.

Everything is made up, one way or another. Why can't someone point out something that is bad logically, and name it ? Give examples, give reasons why Whitehead's reasoning is wrong. Don't be shy. Back up your claims.

[Cathar1950]

Fallacies are not made up, except maybe naming them, they are pointed out or seen.

They are all made up from a particular viewpoint.. Very few make any real sense, unless you subscribe to the viewpoint. For the most part, they limit reason.

How are abstractions taken as concrete reality not fallacious?

abstract or bias?

Obviously you don't know what either you or I are talking about.
Abstractions or bias? I suggest you read up on fallacies and not waste our time.

Yes, an answer from you to a direct question would be such a waste of time.

When are you going to ask a direct question? At this point it seems you have zero creditability and it doesn't look like you have read enough to say anything about either Whitehead or Russell.
Maybe next time you should keep your poorly informed ad hoc opinions to yourself.

[ST_JB]

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Knowledge about God derived from the exercise of human reason.

Kindly demonstrate that this statement is true. Illustrate the “reasoning” in accepting hearsay and legends to “know” about invisible super beings.

Hi Z,

Dionysus already explained part of it and we were actually on the process fo discussion of such illustration when he was banned from participating the forums.

Thank you.

[Zzyzx]

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Knowledge about God derived from the exercise of human reason.

Kindly demonstrate that this statement is true. Illustrate the “reasoning” in accepting hearsay and legends to “know” about invisible super beings.

Dionysus already explained part of it and we were actually on the process fo discussion of such illustration when he was banned from participating the forums.

That is a very weak response.

Would you care to attempt an actual answer to the question?

[Biker]

I've been debating many issues here for some time now, but the single most important one, in my opinion is this. There are those who claim that they know that God exists. How does one come to that knowledge? Do they really know that God exists or do they simply suppose or assume that God exists?

If your answer is that I cannot know, then you are as much of an agnostic as I am. If you answer is that some holy book says so, then you have only pushed the question onto that book. I also have what I think is the second most important question.

How can I know that there is a God?

How can I know that there is a God?

You can't!

We (atheists) don't want you pushing your God on us who don't want him.

So IMO your disingenuous and sophistic for even asking.
You choose IMO to express faith in atheist philosophical nonempirical science opinion instead of the more reasonable evidence laden Christian Theism.
Happy Easter, or more accurately Jesus Christ of Nazareth resurrection from the dead supernaturally memorial day.

Biker

[MasterConan]

I've been debating many issues here for some time now, but the single most important one, in my opinion is this. There are those who claim that they know that God exists. How does one come to that knowledge? Do they really know that God exists or do they simply suppose or assume that God exists?

If your answer is that I cannot know, then you are as much of an agnostic as I am. If you answer is that some holy book says so, then you have only pushed the question onto that book. I also have what I think is the second most important question.

How can I know that there is a God?

How can I know that there is a God?

You can't!

We (atheists) don't want you pushing your God on us who don't want him.

So IMO your disingenuous and sophistic for even asking.
You choose IMO to express faith in atheist philosophical nonempirical science opinion instead of the more reasonable evidence laden Christian Theism.
Happy Easter, or more accurately Jesus Christ of Nazareth resurrection from the dead supernaturally memorial day.

Biker

So then you admit you believe in things (ie. Christian God) that does not exist? (If you can not know it exist, ipso facto, it does not exist).

[Cathar1950]

I've been debating many issues here for some time now, but the single most important one, in my opinion is this. There are those who claim that they know that God exists. How does one come to that knowledge? Do they really know that God exists or do they simply suppose or assume that God exists?

If your answer is that I cannot know, then you are as much of an agnostic as I am. If you answer is that some holy book says so, then you have only pushed the question onto that book. I also have what I think is the second most important question.

How can I know that there is a God?

How can I know that there is a God?

You can't!

We (atheists) don't want you pushing your God on us who don't want him.

So IMO your disingenuous and sophistic for even asking.
You choose IMO to express faith in atheist philosophical nonempirical science opinion instead of the more reasonable evidence laden Christian Theism.
Happy Easter, or more accurately Jesus Christ of Nazareth resurrection from the dead supernaturally memorial day.

Biker

IMO you seem disingenuous and sophmoric for pretending you understand atheism and theism as well as any understanding of the concepts such as empirical, reasonable, evidence or philosophical.

You seem to be able to please yourself unfairly.

[Zzyzx]

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You choose IMO to express faith in atheist philosophical nonempirical science opinion instead of the more reasonable evidence laden Christian Theism.

"Evidence laden Christian theism"???? Do you mean the Christianity that cannot even show evidence that its namesake's "resurrection" actually occurred -- but must tout hearsay and non-witness accounts and call that evidence????? The same Christianity that claims that its bible and its favorite "miracles" are literally true but cannot show ANY evidence to support the claims?????

Happy Easter, or more accurately Jesus Christ of Nazareth resurrection from the dead supernaturally memorial day.

Celebrate the day that Christians adopted from pagan equinox celebrations and earlier religious celebrations. At least earlier people understood the meaning of equinox and the reason for celebrating.